A Measles Death, Vaccines, and the Media’s Failure to Inform

There is a discussion to be had about public vaccine policy. The media ought to start having it.

Last week, it was widely reported in the mainstream media that the autopsy of a woman who died of pneumonia earlier this year in the state of Washington found that she had been infected with measles, making this the first confirmed case of measles-related death in the US since 2003. Playing its usual role, the mainstream media is up in arms, blaming the death on parents who choose not to vaccinate their children and telling parents that to not vaccinate is irresponsible. Rather than journalists doing their job by asking hard questions about public policy and seeking out the answers, they choose to act as nothing more than a mouthpiece for government health departments and dutifully tow the official line on vaccine policy.

The woman who died was not among the unvaccinated. On the contrary, she not only had been vaccinated, but reportedly was tested and found to have a protective antibody titer. She nevertheless became infected with measles while seeking medical attention in a clinic. She died from pneumonia, which can be caused by any number of other bacterial or viral infections besides measles, including the common cold and flu. The reason her immune system couldn’t handle the infection was because doctors had her on immunosuppressive drugs. Hence, medical intervention was a contributing factor in her death.

The media, as ever, is pushing the theory of herd immunity to encourage vaccination. Everyone needs to be vaccinated to protect infants and the immunocompromised, we are being told. The argument implies that the individual from whom the deceased caught the measles was unvaccinated, but that is pure speculation; for all we know, the person she contracted the measles virus from had been vaccinated, too.

It is quite possible for fully vaccinated individuals to get measles.” – Tweet this!

It is quite possible for fully vaccinated individuals to get measles. It is well understood that some people just don’t respond to the vaccine as intended; their immune systems do not produce a great enough amount of antibodies to be considered protective. This is true of about 5 percent of the population, and it’s the reason a second dose, or “booster” shot, is recommended. That second shot is likely unnecessary for most children who did respond to the first, yet it’s given routinely to everyone anyway, even though the purpose is to target the few non-responders. Even after a second dose, however, 3 percent or so of the population still won’t respond.

Moreover, the vaccine-induced immunity, unlike the more robust immunity gained from natural infection, wanes over time. In fact, the CDC considers birth before 1957 to be “evidence of immunity” to measles for the simple reason that pretty much everyone back then was infected with it as a child and gained lifelong immunity as a result.

Also, the measles vaccine is a live-virus vaccine, and individuals can potentially get the disease from the vaccine as well as shed the virus. Vaccine-strain attenuated live viruses can replicate and revert back into virulent form (which is why they don’t vaccinate immunocompromised individuals) or recombine with other viruses to create novel virulent strains. This means that individuals who have received a live-virus vaccine can potentially catch the disease, as well as transmit the virus to others. This is why the live oral poliovirus vaccine was withdrawn from the market in the US, for example; every single domestic case of polio since 1979 was caused by the vaccine.

The theory of vaccine-induced herd immunity also overlooks natural herd immunity. Measles is a particularly useful example to illustrate the concept. This is what the measles mortality rate looked like before the introduction of the vaccine:

measles-mortality

The vaccine was introduced in 1963, after the latest year shown in the above graph from the US Department of Health. Note that the above graph shows deaths from measles, not incidence of measles, which remained high until the introduction of the vaccine:

Measles attack rates and death-to-case ratios, United States, 1912–1997. NCHS, National Center for Health Statistics; NIP, National Immunization Program. (Hinman, et al, Journal of Infectious Disease, Vol 189, 2004)

In fact, as already noted, it used to be that nearly everyone was exposed to the virus, usually in childhood, and gained lifelong immunity as a result. The virus was still around, but it was becoming less deadly to the US population due to an improving standard of living, better sanitation and hygiene, better nutrition (e.g., vitamin A is important for reducing measles mortality and decreasing morbidity), advances in health care, and so on.

What the declining mortality rate indicates is that the US population was developing natural herd immunity. We were learning to live in symbiosis with the virus, natural exposure to which not only confers permanent immunity to measles itself, but may help prime the immune system of children to protect against other diseases, as well.

But then along came the vaccine and destroyed that natural herd immunity.

While parents today are trained to have a hysterical fear of measles, back in the 1960s, when the vaccine was introduced, it was recognized as a generally mild disease with infrequent complications. In fact, in the era before the vaccine was introduced, it was accepted doctrine that the population would adapt to live in symbiosis with the virus—a respect for the balance of nature that was quickly discarded with the development of the vaccine.

The concept of “herd immunity” today is universally associated with the use of vaccines, but this is an application of the concept in fact borrowed from the observance of natural herd immunity to disease. In the case of measles, researchers in the 1930s—long before the vaccine existed—observed that epidemics in Baltimore occurred in predictable cycles and only when the level of immunity in affected communities was less than 55 percent (far below the 95 percent or so level of vaccination hypothesized to provide herd immunity with vaccination).

Now since nearly everyone is vaccinated at an early age, they don’t become infected with the disease in childhood and hence don’t develop the more robust permanent immunity conferred by natural infection.

The kind of immunity conferred by vaccines is not the same as that conferred by natural infection.” – Tweet this!

The kind of immunity conferred by vaccines is not the same as that conferred by natural infection. Vaccines favor an antibody response while actually suppressing what is known as cell-mediated immunity. For example, while the flu vaccine offers protection against specific strains of the influenza virus, it works by inducing an antibody response while preventing the cell-mediated immunity that would otherwise offer protection not only against those specific strains of the virus, but other strains as well. Hence, getting an annual flu shot can actually increase the risk of getting the flu. (There are over 200 strains of viruses that cause influenza or flu-like symptoms, the vaccine only targets a handful of them, and public health officials guess each year which ones they think will be in circulation in order to manufacture seasonal vaccines for those specific strains.)

While vaccine theory is premised on the idea of inducing humoral immunity, which involves an antibody response, scientists have learned the production of antibodies is neither always sufficient nor even necessary for the development of immunity.

Since the vaccine-induced immunity from the measles wanes over time, in the event of an outbreak, individuals are at greater risk of developing the disease in their adulthood, when it poses a higher risk of serious complications.

The government and media, of course, blame every outbreak on parents who choose not to vaccinate their children. This was true of the Disney outbreak earlier this year, even though the majority of cases were in adults.

Measles outbreaks can and do occur in highly vaccinated populations.” – Tweet this!

Measles outbreaks can and do occur in highly vaccinated populations. Even if there was a 100 percent vaccination rate, outbreaks could still occur for the reasons already noted: some individuals do not respond to the vaccine, and the immunity of those who do wanes over time.

Moreover, because of public vaccine policy, mothers today who were never infected during their childhood and hence never developed robust permanent immunity are less able to protect their newborn babies from the disease in the event of an outbreak.

Without the vaccine, women would be infected as children and develop a permanent, robust cell-mediated immunity while continuing to be frequently exposed to the virus, thus also providing a harmless natural boost to their antibody levels. When they become mothers, they would then confer protection to their infants by passing on antibodies through their breastmilk.

But now, since women were vaccinated as children, they likely have a waning antibody titer by the time they start having children. Because the vaccine has quite successfully reduced transmission of the disease, they have not received the beneficial natural boosting of antibodies. Hence, they aren’t able to pass on that antibody protection to their infants.

Public vaccine policy has thus shifted the risk burden away from those in whom the disease is generally well-tolerated and onto those in whom it poses a higher risk of serious complications: adults and the most vulnerable members of society—infants.

Such long-term population-level negative consequences of vaccines simply don’t receive any consideration in the mainstream discussion.

In reports about the measles-related death in Washington, while amplifying public health officials’ recommendation that everyone make sure they and their children have been vaccinated for measles, the media has also failed to even approach the question of the more immediate individual risk associated with the vaccine. When the question of risks does come up, the media tends to treat it as though nonexistent. In the wake of the Disney measles outbreak earlier this year, for instance, the New York Times insisted that there was “no evidence” that vaccines can cause harm and accused anyone who suggests otherwise of being “anti-science”.

This is a puzzling denial, indeed, in light of the fact that, back in the 1980s, the vaccine industry was granted legal immunity by the government because manufacturers were facing so many lawsuits for vaccine injuries that they were going out of business. This in turn threatened public health policy, which prompted the government to step in and bail out the vaccine manufactures by barring consumers from suing them for damages under the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986.

Under the law, the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program was also established to shift the financial burden of compensation for vaccine injuries from Big Pharma to the consumers. The program is funded by a $0.75 tax on every antigen dose of vaccines (so every time an MMR shot is given, being a combination vaccine, $2.25 is taxed for the purpose of contributing to the national vaccine injury fund).

The Supreme Court has upheld legal immunity for vaccine manufacturers on the grounds that certain adverse reactions are ‘unavoidable’” – Tweet this!

The Supreme Court has upheld legal immunity for vaccine manufacturers on the grounds that certain adverse reactions are “unavoidable” and “design defects” are “not a basis for liability.” Justice Antonin Scalia described this special accommodation for Big Pharma as a “societal bargain”.

The line from the New York Times and other mainstream media that vaccines are harmless is hard to reconcile with the fact that corporations like Merck have been granted legal immunity by the government on the grounds that vaccines are unavoidably unsafe.

As a further illustration of how utterly ignorant and irresponsible such dismissals of the risks associated with vaccines are, one need look no further than the vaccine manufacturers’ product inserts. Merck’s product insert for its measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine states that “Unnecessary doses of a vaccine are best avoided….” Surely, there must be a reason? It happens there are many.

For mothers, contraindications to vaccination include pregnancy, as “the possible effects of the vaccine on fetal development are unknown” since there are “no adequate studies” into that question. “However,” Merck appropriately adds, “it would be prudent to assume that the vaccine strain of virus is also capable of inducing adverse fetal effects.” The vaccine-strain mumps virus “has been shown to infect the placenta and fetus”. Studies have shown that the vaccine-strain of rubella virus can be transmitted to infants through the breast milk. Whether this is also true of the measles and mumps viruses “is not known”. Merck advises that “pregnancy should be avoided for 3 months following vaccination” and that “Caution should be exercised when M-M-R II is administered to a nursing woman.” The vaccine also “has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or potential to impair fertility.” Among those who should not receive it are children who are hypersensitive to any of the vaccine’s components, including gelatin and eggs, the latter because the live viruses are propagated in chick embryo cell cultures. The rubella portion of the vaccine is propagated in “human diploid lung fibroblasts”; specifically, WI-38 (ATCC® CCL-75TM), which contaminates the vaccine with human DNA from an aborted female fetus. (This has raised some concern over “ethical problems” at the Vatican; specifically about “cooperation in evil” and the “unjust” practice of forcing parents “to act against their conscience”.) Another ingredient is “fetal bovine serum”. Another is “recombinant human albumin”; specifically, Recombumin® Prime, a product of Novozyems Biopharma US Inc. This is a genetically engineered protein (“recombinant” means it was made by dicing and splicing genetic material). The product was developed because of concerns that using the blood protein albumin from humans or cattle carries the risk of blood-borne contaminants like mycoplasma, prions, or viruses. (This has happened. In March 2010, the rotavirus vaccine Rotarix, manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline, was found to have been contaminated with a pig virus after it was administered to a million children.) Possible adverse reactions to the vaccine include:

  • Fever
  • Snycope (fainting)
  • Headache
  • Dizziness
  • Vasculitis (a condition in which the immune system mistakenly attacks the blood vessels, causing inflammation that can lead to serious problems, including aneurysms)
  • Pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas that occurs when the digestive enzymes it produces begin digesting the pancreas itself)
  • Diarrhea
  • Vomiting
  • Parotitis (inflammation of the parotid glands)
  • Nausea
  • Diabetes mellitus (diabetes)
  • Thrombocytopenia (a disorder in which there is an abnormally low amount of platelets, which help blood to clot)
  • Anaphylaxis (a life-threatening allergic reaction that can cause cardiac and respiratory arrest)
  • Arthritis (joint inflammation)
  • Arthralgia (joint pain)
  • Myalgia (muscle pain)
  • Encephalitis (inflammation of the brain, which can cause permanent brain damage or death)
  • Guillain-Barré syndrome (an autoimmune disorder in which the immune system attacks the peripheral nervous system, which can result in paralysis or death)
  • Febrile seizures (convulsions brought on by fever)
  • Afebrile seizures (convulsions without fever, which may indicate epilepsy)
  • Pneumonia
  • Measles-like rash
  • Death

It is perhaps not too surprising that many of these adverse reactions are the same as the symptoms or complications of wild-type measles itself, including: fever; headache; diarrhea; vomiting; encephalitis; seizures; pneumonia; rash; and, of course, death.

Of course, Merck and public health officials maintain that serious adverse events are rare, less than the risk of developing the same complications from the disease. But, then, the recent case in Washington is the first confirmed case of measles-related death since 2003, while there have been 65 deaths since 2003 reported to the nation Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) following vaccination with MMR.

Furthermore, the possible adverse reactions listed in the product insert are just a list of known reactions from short-term studies—(and the vaccine manufacturers conduct their own studies to get FDA licensure)—and postmarketing surveillance. The long-term effects of vaccination and its interference in the natural development of an individual’s immune system haven’t been well studied, such as whether vaccination has contributed to the alarming increases in asthma, allergies, and autoimmune diseases.

The continued use of mercury as a preservative in flu vaccines and the use of aluminum as an adjuvant in numerous other childhood vaccines are particularly worrisome practices. Both are known neurotoxins that can pass the placental and blood-brain barriers.

There has never been a double-blind, placebo-controlled study of long-term health outcomes between vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. As much as the media likes to say that science has shown that there is no risk of developing autism from vaccines, there has never been a study comparing autism rates of individuals who’ve received the CDC’s recommended schedule and unvaccinated individuals.

Public policy treats vaccination as a one-size-fits-all solution—thus playing Russian roulette with our children.” – Tweet this!

Moreover, it is known that vaccinations can modify gene expression, and certain individuals may be genetically predisposed to having adverse reactions or long-term negative health consequence of being vaccinated; yet public policy treats vaccination as a one-size-fits-all solution—thus playing Russian roulette with our children.

This is all just scratching the surface. The point is that the media treat the subject of vaccines as though there wasn’t even a discussion to be had—just fall in line and get your damn shots! This is dishonest and anti-intellectual. The popular accusation that anyone who questions public vaccine policy is “anti-science” is a particularly hypocritical creed reflective of the intellectual dishonesty and sheer laziness of mainstream journalists who bow to the altar of the state religion and preach official dogma rather than doing their jobs.

Notwithstanding the pretense to the contrary from public health officials and the mainstream media, there is a discussion to be had about public vaccine policy. We ought to start having it.

[Corrections: July 9, 2015: As originally published, this article stated, “There has never been a study of long-term health outcomes between vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals.” This is incorrect. There has never been a double-blind, placebo-controlled study of this kind, which is the “gold standard” of epidemiological studies. The text has been revised to clarify. As originally published, the article stated, “mothers today who were never infected during their childhood and hence never developed robust permanent immunity are unable to protect their newborn babies from the disease in the event of an outbreak.” This is incorrect. Women who have been vaccinated, due to waning immunity, are less able to protect their newborns. The text has been revised to clarify. July 28, 2015: As originally published, this article stated, “In March 2010, the rotavirus vaccine Rotarix, manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline, was found to have been contaminated with a pig virus after it was injected into a million children. Rotarix is an orally-administered live virus vaccine. The error has been corrected.]

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  • bpatient

    “She died from pneumonia, which can be caused by any number of other
    bacterial or viral infections besides measles, including the common cold
    and flu.”

    The trained specialists who conducted the autopsy and performed the necessary tests concluded that the poor woman died from measles. In fact, in cases like hers, there is no rash in about 1/3 of immunocompromised patients infected with measles virus. Measles virus infection in such patients is usually evaluated via PCR or viral culture. Death from measles in most cases (ca. 85% in one large study–that’s in all fatal cases, not just in those who are immunocompromised) is due to pulmonary complications. Accordingly, the evidence suggests that the woman’s death was due to measles virus infection.

    You noted that “the media has also failed to even approach the question of the more immediate individual risk associated with the vaccine.” Indeed, it’s useful to compare the “immediate risk associated with the vaccine” with the risk of measles virus infection, and, fortunately, the available data allow such a comparison.

    In the last large measles outbreak here in the US (1989-1991) the risk of death from measles virus infection was one hundred times the total risk of all serious adverse events due to receipt of MMR in a carefully-monitored trial in of 1.8 million children given the vaccine. The most common serious adverse event in that large trial was genetically-determined benign febrile seizure of the sort that can be triggered by crying, teething, hot baths, or the response to vaccination or natural infection–and no deaths were recorded. [Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2000 Dec;19(12):1127-34.] Thus it’s clear that the “immediate risk associated with the vaccine” is orders of magnitude lower than the risk of death from measles. Moreover, it was recently demonstrated that measles virus infection suppresses the immune system for two to three years and so exposes children not only to the potentially serious risks (including death) from measles virus infection but also predisposes patients to infections which, the authors contend, would not occur without prior measles infection; indeed, measles and measles-associated immunosuppression is commonly associated with childhood deaths from other infectious diseases. [Science. 2015 May 8;348(6235):694-9]

    It’s interesting that measles virus apparently diverged from often-fatal rinderpest virus and became a deadly human pathogen perhaps only a thousand years ago, that effective vaccines against both measles and the closely-related rinderpest virus were developed in the 1960s, and that, while rinderpest was eradicated in 2011 following a thorough vaccination campaign, people are still dying from measles due to inadequate vaccine coverage.

    • cabcabal

      What about when you also factor in the risk of contracting the measles, which is multiplicative with the risk of measles?

      For instance, let’s (for the sake of this discussion) assume that the risk of death from the MMR vaccine is 1 in 1,000,000. Let’s also assume the risk of death from the measles is 1 in 2,000.

      Obviously, the risk from measles far outweighs the risks from the vaccine, right? But wait a tick … this isn’t really apples-to-apples because in order to face the risks posed by measles you first have to contract the measles, whereas facing to risks posed by the vaccine are assumed.

      So what is the risk of catching the measles? Well, let’s (for the sake of this discussion) assume there are about 120 cases of measles in an average year among the unvaccinated or otherwise non-immune population. Let’s also assume (again and for the sake of this conversation) that there is a unvax/non-immune population of 40,000,000 in the U.S. So that means in an average year, there is about a 1 in 330,000 chance that an unvax/non-immune individual is going to contract measles.

      So now when we go back to the risk of measles and also factor in this contraction risk, the actual risk of death from measles isn’t actually 1 in 2,000, but it’s 1 in 660,000,000 (annualized), or the risk of death (1 in 2,000) multiplied by the risk of infection (1 in 330,000). In other words, the risk posed by vaccines is about 660 times greater (using the assumed numbers provided).

      Now one could certainly make the argument that the measles pose such a miniscule threat BECAUSE of vaccines. That’s certainly a compelling argument worthy of long discussion. But when we look at the simple question of risk here and now with the facts as they are, there is no question that the individual faces far greater risk by vaccinating then by not vaccinating.

      • bpatient

        Indeed, free-riding anti-vaxxers clearly benefit from the herd immunity that they deny. However, as pockets of vaccine resistance develop, the risk of measles will continue to increase–and that risk, of course, is not dispersed evenly throughout the population–so the safest unvaccinated special snowflakes will be those who live in isolation from others of their kind. However, as I noted, measles does not of course only cause death, it also causes significant morbidity both directly and because it suppresses the immune system and so predisposes to infection by other pathogens that also cause significant morbidity and, perhaps, death. Accordingly, you should consider the risk associated with measles virus infection (including not only death but the morbidity that is both directly and indirectly related to that infection) compared the the small risk related to vaccination. Using your numbers, for the sake of argument, the risk from measles (even at current vaccination rates) is greater than the risk from vaccination.

        • cabcabal

          Again, without concern for imaginary future scenarios and speculations, such as what may or will happen in the future if this or that happens, the facts on the ground, as they exist today, are exceedingly clear: taking a vaccine (specifically the MMR) is outrageously more risky than abstaining. This is especially true when one also considers that the risks of abstaining from vaccines are pretty well known and understood, whereas the risks from taking the vaccine are not nearly as well studied or understood (autism aside). Most alarming is the link between vaccines an autoimmune response … do some research around molecular mimicry … you might realize that vaccines carry far more risk that what’s being openly debated.

          • Mike Stevens

            At the moment, the risks of having the vaccine would be greater than the risks of catching measles, yes.
            But the point is that you cannot use that as an argument for saying people should not vaccinate, since it will not take much of an increase in measles incidence to flip the risk benefit equation and result in more damage from measles than from the vaccine.

            It’s like saying “There are more people harmed by accidents with cages than there are people harmed by tiger attacks in the USA, so let’s get rid of all the tiger cages!”

          • “At the moment, the risks of having the vaccine would be greater than the risks of catching measles, yes.” — Mike Stevens

            Just wanted to note that for the record.

            As for saying that the risk-benefit analysis being against vaccination is not an argument against vaccination, then why did US stop using the live oral polio virus vaccine? (Rhetorical question.)

          • Twylaa

            and the smallpox vaccine too.

          • Justthefacts

            The smallpox vaccine is gone because we irradiated small pox with the vaccine. It has been unnecessary since the 80’s. I don’t think anyone advocates taking a vaccine for a disease that does not exist anymore.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            Because—and you can not possibly be this stupid—the risk of reintroduction of smallpox is zero; and the risk of reintroduction of polio is sufficiently low that a safer but less effective vaccine is adequate. If for some reason, we imported a huge number of polio cases (I think the global situation makes this entirely hypothetical) we might have to reconsider. The probability of reimportation of measles is essentially 1, since it remains endemic in countries where we have many visitors in both directions.

          • Andrew, like I said, it was a rhetorical question. And the answer is because the risk-benefit analysis weighed against the use of OPV. Same as it does today with MMR, as Mike Stevens has conceded, above.

          • cabcabal

            You mean you’d rather have your child face a 1 in 660,000,000 chance of dying from wild measles rather than a 1 in 2,000,000 chance of dying from the MMR vaccine? What a monster!!!!

          • Andrew Lazarus

            Sure, cabcabal. I also pay my taxes, even though it would be more fun not to and eat out more often. There was a kid deaf from measles in my elementary school. One of the teachers limped from polio. Taking a very, very small risk to get rid of that situation? Sure. As for your plan to free ride, no, that’s not only immoral, it’s economically inefficient, and should be discouraged both morally and with required side payments, which is what we are doing with SB 277.

          • cabcabal

            We’ll see how long that party lasts. Guarantee legislators wouldn’t get away with that crap in more than half of the states in the union.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            It doesn’t matter what the disease is, as long as it has only human hosts, if you are the one person in the world who isn’t vaccinated, you have all the benefits and essentially no risk.

            Right now the MMR may be (not even clear, with recent uptick in measles) more of a risk than wild measles. You have to be quite unlucky to encounter wild measles. However, it is not the same as smallpox, because if everyone follows the perverse incentive of free riding (a very basic, Libertarianish economic concept) then we get wild measles back again since it is highly contagious and endemic in much of the world, and we also know that even with reduced mortality, the damage from that is much, much worse than than damage from MMR. So it makes sense to continue with MMR.

            I can’t quite figure out whether you are trying to defend individual free riding (“hiding in the herd”) or whether you magically believe that we wouldn’t go back to the status quo ante, which I think even you agree is worse than vaccine damages.

          • cabcabal

            It’s a safe bet that trolls like you will see to it that the masses keep loading themselves up with all manner of vaccines … so don’t you worry your little brain about it.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            You seem to think that we got rid of the OPV because we realized that it was more dangerous than polio. That’s not correct. We got rid of the OPV because we had reached a point where the risk/benefit calculation favored IPV over OPV. That’s very, very different from what you’re saying.

          • Six of one, half a dozen of the other. They stopped using OPV in the US because the risk/benefit calculation favored not doing so because the risk was higher from the vaccine than from the disease.

          • ciaparker2

            And because they had the injected polio vaccine waiting to use instead of the oral, live vaccine. They used the killed-virus, injected vaccine from 1955 until about 1960, when they started using Sabin’s live virus, oral vaccine, which was thought to be more effective because it more closely replicated the natural route of exposure (oral, anyway, although it’s often airborne), and because it was a live vaccine. And it by and large replaced the injected Salk vaccine. I doubt they would have given up the oral vaccine otherwise, as paralysis caused by it was extremely rare.

          • Mike Stevens

            Keep it for the record if you wish, but please use the quote in full, and in context (thanks for demonstrating how you journos work and cherry-pick comments).

            The US stopped vaccinating with oral polio because they were able to switch to an even safer product (injectable polio).
            Had the Salk vaccine never existed, then certainly we would still be dosing our kids with oral polio vaccine – absolutely no doubt there.

          • There is very much a doubt there. The existence of the IPV is not the only factor. Again, every single domestic case of polio since 1979 was caused by the vaccine. They stopped using OPV because the risk/benefit equation favored not doing so.

          • Mike Stevens

            They stopped using OPV because IPV did not allow any reversion to wild type virus.
            There was an average of 35,000 polio cases each year before OPV was introduced, and around 20 cases of vaccine associated polio after it was introduced (but number of wild cases fell to zero).

            You clearly know little about risk/benefit analysis if you think it was better to go without vaccine. The decision to replace OPV with IPV entailed a different aspect of risk benefit analysis.

          • ciaparker2

            They would NEVER have given up the polio vaccine, but continue to go on and on about how polio is only a plane trip away. They gave the smallpox vaccine for thirty years after there was no longer any smallpox in the Western hemisphere, and it killed a lot of children. And ten years ago an Amish missionary in the Netherlands got the oral polio vaccine and gave polio to some Amish children, and an infant became seriously ill, I’m not sure if she had clinical polio or not. Dr. Sears doesn’t think the polio vaccine is necessary, and I don’t either, but if polio came back here, I could understand parents either getting it or refusing it. But the medical authorities will never permit the withdrawal of any vaccine now given, no matter what happens.

          • Judith

            “Polio vaccine has not been without its critics. A recent Pubmed publication points out that there were an extra 47,500 new cases of non-polio acute flaccid paralysis – clinically indistinguishable from polio and twice as deadly. Of great concern is the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received.

            It was hoped that following polio eradication, immunisation could be stopped. However the synthesis of polio virus in 2002, made eradication impossible. It is argued that getting poor countries to expend their scarce resources on an impossible dream over the last 10 years was unethical. Furthermore, while India has been polio-free for a year, there has been a huge increase in non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP). In 2011, there were an extra 47,500 new cases of NPAFP. Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received. Though this data was collected within the polio surveillance system, it was not investigated. The principle of primum-non-nocere was violated. The authors suggest that the huge bill of US$ 8 billion spent on the programme, is a small sum to pay if the world learns to be wary of such vertical programmes in the future.”

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22591873#

          • Mike Stevens

            What word in the following phrase is so hard to understand….?

            ……”NON-POLIO”

          • ciaparker2

            But it would be necessary to look at how many completely unvaxed children got the non-polio paralysis. Before the polio vaccine, 100% of children in India and Egypt got permanent immunity to the strains of polio in their areas without being paralyzed. It appears that exposure to certain chemicals like those in DDT is necessary to cause paralytic symptoms in a tiny fraction of those who have the infection. Last year there was some evidence to suggest that some (perhaps all) of the 120 children paralyzed by EV-68 had had exposure to pesticides (some lived at or near a raspberry-growing farm which used pesticides). There were twelve killed by the infection, I think. While many thousands, including my daughter, caught it at school and had a severe flu-like illness, my daughter had a bad cough for about a month, and then got well, presumably with permanent immunity.
            Getting vaccines reduces resistance to other infections. In the first years of the HIb vaccine, many children came down with clinical HIb meningitis soon after the vaccine, and it was thought that the vaccine temporarily depressed their immune system, allowing them to develop a severe case of Hib meningitis before the vaccine protection took effect (if it had been going to). Clinical cases of Hib meningitis quadrupled in incidence between 1940 and 1968, probably because of the introduction of the DPT in the late ’40s. Injection with DPT was suspended during polio outbreaks in the ’50s because it was recognized that children who had recently gotten the DPT were MUCH more likely to get polio and have a severe case of it. Many doctors in India believed that the tens of thousands of children developing non-polio acute flaccid paralysis did so because their immune systems had been weakened by having had too many oral polio vaccines. In India it was, maybe still is, common to have “pulse” vaccination campaigns in which all children in an area are given the oral polio vaccine regardless of how many times they’ve already had it. Many children have had it once a year their entire lives. And that could easily make them more susceptible to infections that would otherwise have been mild, but in their vaccine-damaged condition, susceptible to becoming paralyzed by the infection.

          • cabcabal
          • Mike Stevens

            That paper demonstrates the author (antivax Dr Puliyel) is struggling to appreciate the meaning of NON-POLIO as well.

          • cabcabal

            It’s obvious you either didn’t read the study, or you did, but couldn’t understand the material. Let me boil it down for you:

            NPAFP simply means there was no incident of wild polio. The point of the research was to examine the correlation between increases in the use of live polio vaccination and NPAFP. The results showed a strong correlation with an increase of about 1-1.5 cases of NPAFP for every 100,000 doses of vaccine.

          • Justthefacts

            You should be specific in your question. the Sabin vaccine of 1960 was replaced by the type 1 and type 2 strains in 1963 as an improvement and used on 56% of the worlds population at the time. This OPV evolved into the current combination of the Sabin1,2, and 3 strains. As far as I can tell, each replacement of the polio vaccine has been due to the process of improvement. I believe the nasal vaccine was dropped in favor of the oral as the oral is safer if that was what you were thinking.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine
            .
            If you think something else is going on, you really should explain yourself to the board and Wikipedia.

          • I have heard many ridiculous analogies used by the pro-vaccine ideologues, but yours is perhaps the very worst I have seen. Using your “logic”, we should still be using the smallpox vaccine, the oral polio vaccine, the whole-cell DPT…and why not throw in a malaria vaccine, Hepatitis A, etc.

            ‘Cause it really doesn’t matter…these are all risk free right?

          • ciaparker2

            Since measles harmed relatively few in 1960, when all kids got it, while the MMR causes devastating damage in large numbers, and this damage has not been taken into account by the medical cartel, your reasoning is not sound.

          • Mike Stevens

            “measles harmed relatively few in 1960”
            “Only” 500 died from it that year.
            That is 500 more than have died from autism in the 50 years since.

            “your reasoning is not sound”
            You do not display reasoning of any sort, Cia..

          • ciaparker2

            Our of four million cases, Mike. And great, we’re now up to one in 36, one in 30 in Scotland, with autism. You realize, don’t you, that the taxpayer has NO idea that he’s going to be expected to fully support that many people when we parents die or run out of money? He’s going to say that such a situation never existed before the vaccine epidemic began in 1990, and that our society was much healthier and happier, more stable and comfortable, BEFORE the vaccine epidemic. And he’s going to realize that it’s much better to just let children get measles than damage their brain seriously and permanently in the attempt to prevent usually mild diseases.

          • Mike Stevens

            So, like I said, measles kills, autism doesn’t.
            And autism isn’t caused by vaccines.*
            When will you get that repeatedly confirmed fact into your skull?

            *If you think differently, please provide links to the verified scientific evidence. I am still waiting for you to do so, after about 3 years of asking.

          • ciaparker2

            Like I said, measles kills a tiny number of people, while strengthening and conferring life-preserving benefits to the 99.9% who get it and recover without sequelae. Autism IS caused by vaccines. Autism doesn’t usually kill, although the vaccine reaction which causes autism not infrequently kills outright. So you’re saying that we must ALL act as though we believed that 3% (and rising) of our population severely and permanently disabled by autism is better than 0.01% dying of measles? Let’s make sure that everyone really understands the ramifications of that at a societal level before hastening to assume that everyone agrees with your conclusion.

          • Mike Stevens

            That isn’t my conclusion at all.

            I say it is better that we have no deaths from measles and no severe disabilities from measles complications than it is to leave our communities unvaccinated and unprotected.

            Autism is a complete red herring, since it has absolutely nothing to do with vaccination.

            You say it does, but 99.9999% of medical experts disagree with you. You have repeatedly been asked to provide some form of plausible and verifiable scientific evidence that it does, and you have repeatedly failed to do so.

            That in itself speaks volumes, and shows how vacuous your nonsensical claims are.

          • ciaparker2

            But NOT 99.9999% of independent experts with NO interests served by their alignment with the pharma industry. All independent experts recognize that there are serious, permanent problems frequently caused by vaccines. The evidence is irrefutable, but if someone pays you to say there is NO such evidence of vaccine damage, then unfortunately there are a LOT of people who will say Fine, tell me what to say and where you want me to say it. I have provided the evidence, and have told you where to find it, hundreds of times. How surprising that you continue to say that there IS no such evidence (not really surprising).
            You have no interest at all in the hundreds of thousands of children killed or disabled by the MMR, but only in those who theoretically might have died or been disabled by the disease (a number close to zero if the patients get enough vitamin A supplementation and no fever reducers). Again, how surprising that you should be so passionately empathetic toward theoretical children in developed countries, but feel not a trace of sympathy for those disabled or killed by vaccines (and, again, not really, I understand the origins of your bias).

          • Mike Stevens

            “Independent experts”????

            I think you and I have different definitions of the word “expert”, Cia.
            Just to remind you, some brain surgeon or a retired palaeontologist does not count as an expert on Infections or vaccinology.

            Let’s see a list of your “independent antivaccine experts” if you will (remember that they must be truly independent, and so have no link, however tenuous, with antivaccine agencies or organisations, alternative medicine products or promotions, and have never had any financial or other conflicts of interest.

            Again, I would like for you to provide valid, verifiable scientific evidence that autism is caused by vaccines. You claimed that 99.9% of autism was directly attributable to vaccines. You must have some evidence for this, surely? Just claiming you have shown it to me before won’t do, I’m afraid, as to date I have seen nothing except anecdotes and citations from books published by antivaccine quacks. That is hardly evidence.
            If it counts as evidence, then I assume you also would believe in crop circles and alien abductions, since the level of “evidence” for these phenomena is stronger than that for autism caused by vaccines.

        • ciaparker2

          This article clearly explained many of the benefits which accrue from having natural measles. Natural measles gives permanent immunity, a stronger cellular immune system, the ability to protect future infants, and protection from many diseases, especially skin and bone diseases, and several cancers in later life. The vaccine can cause dozens of severe and even fatal conditions, including autism, bowel disease, thrombocytopenia, and many more. I had measles when I was six, at a time when 99% of American children got it by the age of 18, and no one worried about it. Everyone I knew got it or had had it, adults as well as children, and no one I knew or heard of had a severe or fatal case of it. No one I knew was hospitalized for it.
          I am an anti-vaxxer who welcomes the formerly universal childhood diseases as opportunities to educate and train the immune system so that it will provide a lifetime of finely-tuned service. Free-loading? The childhood diseases are NECESSARY for children to get, and are not something to be avoided for well-nourished, healthy children.

          • Mike Stevens

            Just about every sentence of yours is wrong or deliberately untruthful Cia.

            I say deliberately untruthful, since you and I have discussed the issues around measles-induced immunosuppression and diseases like lymphoma before in some detail, and for you to present the coincidence of a temporary remission of lymphoma following measles in one boy in the 1950s as an example of “measles curing cancer” is highly deceitful.

          • On a related note, natural Hib infection provides protection against leukemia, according to one study.

            http://www.jeremyrhammond.com/2015/05/25/does-the-hib-vaccine-really-protect-against-leukemia/

          • Mike Stevens

            I’m not sure which of the studies you discuss there demonstrates that natural HiB protects against leukaemia, Jeremy.

            You have taken 3 articles that support the claim that HiB vaccination protects against leukaemia, and have critiqued them (failry well, I might add).

            But that doesn’t mean that natural infection is beneficial. Natural infection is an unmitigated disaster in kids, with high rates of invasive disease which often has a devastating or lethal outcome.

            Your approach here seems to be the equivalent of arguing: “Having cancer is beneficial…you sometimes get time off work and have a chance to relax.”

          • One of the studies found natural infection provided the protective effect. You will see that if you read it again more carefully.

          • Mike Stevens

            How cryptic of you.
            No wonder your journalism wins so many awards.

          • sabelmouse

            cia is wrong because she doesn’t agree with you, the only thrush, the ruler of the universe. understood.

          • Mike Stevens

            Cia is “wrong” because she is demonstrably wrong, and she has never been able to show she is anything but wrong.

          • sabelmouse

            talking ’bout yorself agin there mikey?

          • ciaparker2

            That was not the only case I cited, and the boy whose lymphoma was cured when he got measles in the hospital (written up with photos in The Lancet) was in 1970, not the 1950s.

          • ciaparker2

            The case of the boy cured of lymphoma by natural measles was written up in The Lancet, Bluming, AZ, Ziegler, JL, “Regression of Burkitt’s Lymphoma in association with measles infection,” July 10 1981; 105-6. The boy was in the hospital for surgery to remove the cancerous tumor over and around his right eye. He caught measles while he was there. The article had photos which showed him with the tumor in the first one, in the second he has measles rash but the tumor is smaller, in the third photo the measles is over and the tumor is gone. The article was written four months later, and at that time the boy was still in complete remission, having had no cancer treatment. Measles in other cases has cured or put a cancer into temporary remission. Pasquinucci, G., “Possible Effect of Measles on Leukemia, “Lancet Jan. 16, 1971; 136. Gross, S., “Measles and Leukemia,” Lancet Feb. 20, 1971, 397-398. Pediatric nephrotic syndrome has been cured or sent into remission by deliberately infecting children with measles. Hutchins, G. “Observations on the relationship of measles and remissions in the nephrotic syndrome,” Am J Dis Child 1947; 73: 242-243. Blumberg, RW, Cassady, HA, “Effect of Measles on the Nephrotic Syndrome, Am J Dis Child 1947; 73: 151-166.

          • CS

            While you are right that pretending wild type measles is good for you and cures cancer is dishonest, oncolytic viruses are a real thing.

            Using that as an excuse not to vaccinate is like skipping ECT and hoping lightning strikes you. So yeah, deceitful at best.

          • Justthefacts

            Here you are with your lies again. It is a fact that you are knowing lying because you have heard this before and you can’t refute it. Before the vaccine, 400 to 500 people died each year and 4000-5000- people got Encephalitis every year in the US. 147,500 people died last year from the measles worldwide. To this day hundreds of thousands of people still worry a lot about measles. Stop your lies.

          • ciaparker2

            Dr. Michaela Glockler, who has treated many cases of measles, said in Guide to Child Health, p. 114: “Vaccination recommendations set the incidence of encephalitis due to measles at 1:1000 to 1:2000, clearly too high. Empirical results from practicing physicians suggest an incidence of approximately one in every 10,000 cases of measles, and one expert calculates that only one in every 15,000 toddlers with measles gets encephalitis. The possibility cannot be ruled out, however, that routine use of fever suppressants is contributing to the increased incidence of encephalitis as a complication of viral infections. According to present knowledge, encephalitis is fatal in approximately one-sixth of pediatric cases, and one-fourth are left with permanent and sometimes serious neurological damage. In 1960, the prognosis was still considered good.”
            In the early 1960s in the U.S., before the measles vaccine, there were three to four million cases of measles a year, the entire birth cohort. 99% of kids got measles by the age of 18. There was an average of 450 deaths a year. If one in 10,000 got measles encephalitis, that would have been 300-400 cases a year. If one-fifth of them died, that would be sixty to eighty a year. If all parents knew the importance of giving the appropriate dose of vitamin A, giving no fever reducers of any kind, keeping the child quiet in bed, well-hydrated, throughout the illness, and observing a quiet recuperation period of two to three weeks after the day the rash appeared, there would be few complications, deaths, or cases of severe pneumonia or encephalitis.

          • Justthefacts

            That is a word for work post by Sablemouse on tumblr on a number of occasions. Do you have any words of your own? This book is 25 years old and was before the outbreak in the 1990’s that showed all of this was false conjecture. None of this changes the fact that the unvaccinated US would kill 400-500 people per year and give encephalitis to 3000 to 5000 people.
            Lets not forget that every will not have good health care available and that’s why 147,500 people die each year worldwide from the measles.
            It’s both old and bad information.

          • ciaparker2

            The first edition of Dr. Glockler’s book was published in 1984: the edition I bought and read was the 2001 revision. How could an outbreak in the ’90s change the statistics of 1960? Dr. Glockler SAID that if the increase in measles encephalitis was real, then it could be attributed to the increased, even routine, use of fever reducers. I know that I called a nurse hotline three times when my daughter was little, when she had the stomach flu several times over her early years and I got scared because she threw up so much and had a high fever. Every single one of the three nurses I talked to told me to give her Tylenol to reduce the fever. I didn’t do it, I knew it was dangerous to reduce fever. But reducing fever increases the incidence of complications and prolongs the illness.
            And a LOT changes the projected mortality from measles were it to come back now. Now we know how giving the correct dosage of vitamin A reduces complications miraculously, we have the possibility of educating people not to try to reduce fevers, how important it is to keep measles patients quiet in bed and to allow an adequate recuperation time. The only one of these we knew in 1960 was to stay in bed well-hydrated. It wasn’t a universal reflex to always reduce fevers (it would have been with aspirin in those days).
            I thought we established that if conditions now were like those in 1960, the number of cases of measles encephalitis would be three to four hundred a year, and even in 1960, only one-fifth of those died, one-fourth was permanently disabled. And we all know that the reason so many die of measles in Third World countries is because most people there are malnourished. And yes, measles takes a toll on malnourished populations. But in addition, EVERYTHING takes a heavy toll on the malnourished, not just measles.
            Dr. Glockler’s information is excellent on a wide range of topics. She actually tells parents to consider getting the MMR if a child reaches the age of ten without having had the good fortune to have had natural measles. I disagree with her on that, she wrote the first edition before anyone had any inkling that vaccines could cause autism etc., and even in 2001, autism wasn’t yet common and people were just starting to realize the dangers of vaccines. Measles is more often dangerous in those past puberty, but is rarely dangerous even then. I would always rather take my chances with measles than more vaccine damage. I, of course, don’t have to worry about it, having had natural measles when I was six.

          • Justthefacts

            Your post, just like Michaela Glöckler book, is nothing but next to useless anecdotal information. Her assertion that measles encephalitis increased is not supported by any data and measles encephalitis has been present since before fever reducers. She is the only person who has published this bad theory based on incorrect and bad information. It is not even possible for practicing Doctors to know the actual epidemiological facts about a condition just from their day to day anecdotal experiences and anyone can understand that.
            .
            Don’t you find it “unique” that you and other anti-vaxxers glob onto theories generated by anecdotal information and ignore detailed studies? Do you really think every researcher in the world is part of a conspiracy?
            .
            Quote your quacks all you want but nothing will ever change the fact that 400 to 500 people died each year from measles and thousand got brain damage from the measles before the vaccine. last year, 147,500 people died from the measles. Type all you want, that will NEVER change.

          • ciaparker2

            When the same trigger produces the same result for many thousands of people, even millions in the case of vaccines, it’s no longer anecdotal, but becomes scientific evidence for those who are willing to look at it and accept the truth. I have never denied, but have frequently posted, the fact that in 1960, before the measles vaccine, there was an average of 450 deaths from measles a year, out of four million cases. The death rate had plunged 95% in only fifty years, and would probably have continued to decline had the dangerous vaccine not been introduced. Most researchers have vested financial interests in the vaccine companies, which have a huge interest in keeping people from realizing the truth about the dangers of vaccines. Dr. Glockler does not. And your 147,500 people who died from measles last year, were nearly all malnourished people in Third World countries. Very few previously healthy, well-nourished people in developed countries die of measles. If you prefer autism to a beneficial, short term viral illness like measles, do feel free to get the vaccine for yourself and your family. We’ve already got the autism, so I have a different perspective. I did not let my daughter get the MMR, she was damaged by the hep-b vaccine at birth and the DTaP booster at 18 months. I said no to the MMR, and neither of us will ever take another vaccine.

          • Justthefacts

            “millions in the case of vaccines” – you can stop right there. Nowhere has anyone presented any data that “millions” have been damaged by vaccines. Not in VAERS. not by the WHO, not ANYWHERE. If you are going to start your post with a lie, there is no reason to read any further.
            You have already expressed you racist opinion that you think third world people should just die so you can stop the vaccine because the poor are not worth saving. I don’t think anyone wants to hear that racists rant again.
            And, of course, no study anywhere as ever linked autism to vaccines other than known fraudulent studies, and every case brought before a court has been found to be a case of trial lawyer fraud. Don’t start your arguments with falsehoods as if they are assumptions. It is a near total scientific consensus and an final legal determination that vaccines do not cause autism.

          • ciaparker2

            I have presented the evidence many times. Asthma is now present in one in nine vaccinated American children. In those who delay the first pertussis vaccination from two to five months old reduce the incidence of asthma in these children to one in twenty. Many studies have established that the pertusssis vaccine causes asthma. One UK study found that in children who did not receive any vaccines, the incidence was one in 100. There’s millions of cases of vaccine-induced disability right there. Food allergies were extremely rare in 1900, occurring only in rare cases of insufficiency of digestive processes which allowed undigested food proteins to leak into the bloodstream, where they sensitized the immune system to that food. They picked up tremendously when vaccines introduced foreign proteins, little allergy producers, straight into the bloodstream, and allergies to milk, eggs, nuts, shellfish, and, when peanut oil adjuvants were first used, peanuts. There is cross-reactivity when the foreign proteins in vaccines resemble the molecular structure of the body systems attacked in autoimmune reactions. At this time, nearly half of American children have either respiratory (like hayfever), skin (like eczema), or food allergies, when before vaccines all allergies were extremely rare. So there you go. Without even getting to the 3% with autism now, there’s millions with autoimmune diseases caused by vaccines.

          • Justthefacts

            You never present any sources for you your claims. You just made a bunch of claims to numbers that are not true and that is why you don’t post the sources for your numbers. In the end. they are off the cuff claims you have copied from anti-vaxx sites with no evidence to support them. I have caught you so many times with bad information it’s ridiculous.
            .
            Your numbers on asthma are false. You have no source for “many studies”
            ..
            Again, you say “:millions” without any sources for your claims.
            .
            Then you make claims about American children with any sources for any of your numbers.
            .
            It’s this simple, POST SOME LINKS TO YOUR CLAIMS OR GTFO. Nobody cares about your mindless ranting.

          • ciaparker2

            I’m busy, working on several translations. I’ve posted links and references many times before. Also easy to google. Very easy to look up how many children are in the U.S., and easy to google and fine that one in nine now has autism. I posted a link to this information not long ago. Easy to calculate how many one in nine children is.

          • Justthefacts

            So you are not too busy to spiel your screed on multiple boards but way too busy to back them up. It takes less time to post a link than to cut and paste your astroturfing. I’ve seen the few sources you have posted and most of them were not applicable or false
            So ti’s settled. You can’t back up your claims because you are “too busy” to be factually accurate or even correct.

          • Mike Stevens

            Amazing how you are always “too busy” to provide evidence for your wild claims, but are never “too busy” to post screeds and screeds of them.

          • Mike Stevens

            You really do believe that garbage you spout, don’t you?
            And all arrived at without the benefit of a single, verifiable scientific evidence base, just anecdotes and antivax propaganda quotes.

          • ciaparker2

            it just took me three seconds to google the following. You might have been able to find it in not much longer as well, if you didn’t spend all your time trying to hide the truth. These statistics are from 2009, when it was one in ten children with asthma, but, as with autism, the rates continue to soar ever upward, and now it’s one in nine. And again, those who don’t get the pertussis vaccine have a much lower rate, and those who don’t get any vaccines have a much lower rate than that.

            http://www.aaaai.org/about-the-aaaai/newsroom/asthma-statistics.aspx

            “• The number of people with asthma continues to grow. One in 12
            people (about 25 million, or 8% of the U.S. population) had asthma in 2009,
            compared with 1 in 14 (about 20 million, or 7%) in 2001.
            • More than half (53%) of people with asthma had an asthma attack in 2008. More children (57%) than adults (51%) had an attack. 185 children and 3,262 adults died from asthma in 2007
            • About 1 in 10 children (10%) had asthma and 1 in 12 adults (8%) had asthma in 2009. Women were more likely than men and boys more likely than girls to have asthma.
            • In 2010, 3 out of 5 children who have asthma had one or more asthma attacks in the previous 12 months.
            • For the period 2008–2010, asthma prevalence was higher among children than adults.
            • In 2008 less than half of people with asthma reported being taught how to
            avoid triggers. Almost half (48%) of adults who were taught how to avoid
            triggers did not follow most of this advice.
            • About 1 in 9 (11%) non-Hispanic blacks of all ages and about 1 in 6 (17%) of
            non-Hispanic black children had asthma in 2009, the highest rate among
            racial/ethnic groups.
            • For the period 2008–2010, asthma prevalence was higher among multiple-race, black, and American Indian or Alaska Native persons than white persons.
            • From 2001 through 2009 asthma rates rose the most among black children,
            almost a 50% increase.
            • From 2001 through 2009, the greatest rise in asthma rates was among black
            children (almost a 50% increase).

            Costs

            • Asthma cost the US about $3,300 per person with asthma each year from 2002 to 2007 in medical expenses, missed school and work days, and early deaths.
            • Asthma costs in the US grew from about $53 billion in 2002 to about $56
            billion in 2007, about a 6% increase.
            • More than half (59%) of children and one-third (33%) of adults who had an
            asthma attack missed school or work because of asthma in 2008. On average, in 2008 children missed 4 days of school and adults missed 5 days of work because of asthma.

            Health Care Visits/Hospital

            • In 2008, asthma hospitalizations were 1.5 times higher among female than male patients.
            • From 2001 to 2009, health care visits for asthma per 100 persons with asthma declined in primary care settings, while asthma emergency department visit and hospitalization rates were stable.
            • For the period 2007–2009, black persons had higher rates for asthma emergency department visits and hospitalizations per 100 persons with asthma than white persons, and a higher asthma death rate per 1,000 persons with asthma. Compared with adults, children had higher rates for asthma primary care and emergency department visits, similar hospitalization rates, and lower death rates.

            Morbidity Rates

            • More than half (53%) of people with asthma had an asthma attack in 2008. More children (57%) than adults (51%) had an attack. 185 children and 3,262 adults died from asthma in 2007.
            • Asthma was linked to 3,404 deaths in 2010.

          • Proponent

            Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America | “What Causes Asthma”

            “Since asthma has a genetic origin and is a disease you are born with, passed down from generation to generation, the question isn’t really “what causes asthma,” but rather “what causes asthma symptoms to appear?” People with asthma have inflamed airways which are super-sensitive to things which do not bother other people. These things are called “triggers.”

            Although asthma triggers vary from person to person based on if you have allergic asthma or non-allergic asthma, some of the most common include:

            Substances that cause allergies (allergens)
            Irritants in the air
            Respiratory infections
            Exercise
            Weather
            Expressing strong emotions
            Some medications like aspirin can also be related to episodes in adults who are sensitive to aspirin. Irritants in the environment can also bring on an asthma episode. These irritants may include paint fumes, smog, aerosol sprays and even perfume.”

            Vaccines not there.

          • ciaparker2

            Not true. Asthma is like autism and many other modern illnesses: if they were solely genetic, then rates would not have exploded in recent decades as they have. People are born with a genetic susceptibility which requires an environmental trigger for the disease to manifest, and in nearly all cases, that trigger is vaccines. In the case of autism, an excessively vigorous reaction on the part of the immune system to the incursion of the vaccine which causes too much inflammation (not merely the amount necessary and desired in order to produce antibodies), the brain if involved, and autism is one of the possible consequences of the vaccine encephalitis. Asthma is usually the result of the vaccine, especially the pertussis vaccine, sensitizing the immune system to vaccine ingredients or substances closely resembling them, and asthma is the result. No vaccines, no problem. The same applies to ADHD, most seizure disorders, most cases of childhood diabetes, and most cases of bowel disease.

          • Mike Stevens

            People do have a genetic susceptibility, but the allergens and irritants are environmental, and have absolutely nothing to do with vaccination.

          • I refer you to the part of the article that discusses how vaccines can activate asthma- and allergy-related genes.

          • Mike Stevens

            I started to look at your article again, Jeremy, but never reached the bit you want me to look at.
            I keep getting diverted by more errors of fact in your article.

            Here is another one you may wish to correct (there again you could just plough on regardless, like usual)
            “the rotavirus vaccine Rotarix, manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline, was found to have been contaminated with a pig virus after it was injected into a million children.”

            Pray tell us, which health service is injecting this oral vaccine into children?

            And why would parents be afraid of some fragmented pig virus DNA being ingested by their infants, when they feed them much higher quantities of foreign animal viruses every single day in their baby food?

          • Thanks. I’ve corrected the error.

          • Mike Stevens

            So…one in ten kids supposedly has asthma.
            What the hell does that have to do with vaccines?

            You haven’t one shred of credible evidence that they do cause asthma.
            On the other hand, you have been shown plentiful evidence on several occasions in the form of scientific studies that they do not cause asthma.

            Tell us Cia, what makes you believe one study that says they do, but dismiss the findings of dozens of studies that say they don’t?

            Have you heard of the concept of looking at the totality of available evidence, and not cherrypicking fragments that support your fantastic theories? (eg the “Manitoba” study which failed to control for the confounding variable of why vaccination was delayed in one group)

            Can you Google “confirmation bias” for me please?

            http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/120/5/e1269
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12182372
            http://www.ncirs.edu.au/immunisation/fact-sheets/vaccines-asthma-allergies-fact-sheet.pdf
            http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/03/030304072832.htm

          • sabelmouse

            you need to read mathsemantics by edward mcneal.

          • Justthefacts

            I know math. You need to understand your subject. The totals are facts. Hundreds of thousands of people die every year from the measles. Your lies are about a killer disease.

          • sabelmouse

            leaving out info is lying.

          • Justthefacts

            147,500 people died last year from measles worldwide. That is the full story. if there was something of values to add, you would od that. Instead, you are just posting one line trolls.

          • Diet dee

            consider why does measles infect so many but kill few? Measles deaths were in decline for decades. Measles deaths could have continued to decline with out the measles vaccine. So how much did vaccines save and how much did herd natural immunity and nutrition save? ( by the 1960s there was a war on poverty, medical care and food stamps for the poor ) In the case of the handful of 3rd world countries that suffer from measles deaths. Do they die from the lack of the vaccines? Or is is it the very poor living conditions of a third world slum. Would vaccines really help the mortality of those people who may be malnourished, starving and drinking contaminated water.

          • Thomas Johnson

            Not to mention near bowel tolerance doses of Vit C.

          • ciaparker2

            Thank you, absolutely right, for any illness or chronic condition, high doses of vitamin C are very effective!

        • Please read the article, specifically regarding the concept of herd immunity.

      • …there is no question that the individual faces far greater risk by vaccinating then by not vaccinating.

        Indeed, in the US today, given the very small risk of acquiring measles in the first place, that is a no-brainer.

        • Michael englebert

          But the very small risk of getting measles is due to the vaccine as your second graph points out. Granted fewer people were dying before the vaccine was introduced but still more than post vaccine not to mention to reduced costs of medical treatment and side effects

          • Mike Stevens

            Indeed.
            Why people cannot see that “no brainer” is puzzling.

            Presumably Jeremy seems to think that because the risks of harm from measles are currently low, that we should stop vaccinating, and let it’s incidence (and morbidity and mortality) rise to levels seen when there was no vaccine?

          • Presumably, Mike Stevens thinks the US should go back to using the live oral poliovirus vaccine.

          • Katia

            How did you make that leap of “logic”?

          • By applying Mike’s. The oral polio vaccine was removed from the market because the risk from the vaccine was greater than the risk from the disease — same as with measles today, as Mike Stevens has acknowledged.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            “The oral polio vaccine was removed from the market because the risk from
            the vaccine was greater than the risk from the disease — same as with
            measles today…”

            Again, totally untrue. We switched from the OPV to the IPV because the risk/benefit calculation began to favor IPV, not because anyone judged that OPV was more dangerous than polio. This is really a fundamental error in logic and facts.

          • ione murphy

            A developing country perspective on vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis.

            John TJ1.

            Author information

            1Kerala State Institute of Virology and Infectious Diseases, Alappuzha, Kerala, India. vlr_tjjohn@sancharnet.in

            Abstract

            When the Expanded Programme on Immunization was established and oral poliovirus vaccine (OPV) was introduced for developing countries to use exclusively, national leaders of public health had no opportunity to make an informed choice between OPV and the inactivated poliovirus vaccine (IPV). Today, as progress is made towards the goal of global eradication of poliomyelitis attributable to wild polioviruses, all developing countries where OPV is used face the risk of vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis (VAPP). Until recently, awareness of VAPP has been poor and quantitative risk analysis scanty but it is now well known that the continued use of OPV perpetuates the risk of VAPP. Discontinuation or declining immunization coverage of OPV will increase the risk of emergence of circulating vaccine-derived polioviruses (cVDPV) that re-acquire wild virus-like properties and may cause outbreaks of polio. To eliminate the risk of cVDPV, either very high immunization coverage must be maintained as long as OPV is in use, or IPV should replace OPV. Stopping OPV without first achieving high immunization coverage with IPV is unwise on account of the possibility of emergence of cVDPV. Increasing numbers of developed nations prefer IPV, and manufacturing capacities have not been scaled up, so its price remains prohibitively high and unaffordable by developing countries, where, in addition, large-scale field experience with IPV is lacking. Under these circumstances, a policy shift to increase the use of IPV in national immunization programmes in developing countries is a necessary first step; once IPV coverage reaches high levels (over 85%), the withdrawal of OPV may begin.

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15106301

            Inactivated polio vaccine: time to introduce it in India’s national immunization schedule.

            “..Nevertheless, polio control experts are particularly worried about Vaccine-Derived Poliovirus (VDPV). Global surveillance efforts picked up 430 cases of VDPV from several countries between July 2009 and March 2011. In India, 7 cases of VDPV were reported during the year 2011. As long as OPV is used, virologists say that the world is at risk of VDPV causing polio in unprotected children. Achieving a polio-free world will require the “cessation of all OPV” and with it the elimination of the risk of vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP) or VDPV infections

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22699444

          • With or without the existence of IPV, the risk/benefit calculation was that there was more risk of getting vaccinated with OPV than foregoing the shot.

          • cabcabal

            Presumably, Mike thinks we should all have already died of TB, Scarlet Fever, leprosy, plague or any number of other communicable diseases for which there hadn’t been widespread vaccination. It’s a miracle that humans even made it to the age of vaccination at all!

          • sabelmouse

            few-none of these have vaccines. however did that work?

          • Andrew Lazarus

            There is a TB vaccine. The USA is on the other side of the risk/benefit curve.

            Did you notice life expectancy was about 40-50 a century ago? It’s not that adults died that much earlier. It was all the deaths at <1, 1, 2, 3, from exactly the diseases vaccines eliminate.

          • You’ve at once missed cabcabal’s point while confirming it.

          • ciaparker2

            Most countries no longer use the TB vaccine because it caused so many serious reactions.

          • Michael englebert

            Why would he? The IPV vaccine works just fine and is safer than the OPV virus

          • Yet OPV is still widely used worldwide. Why? Goes to the point…

          • Michael englebert

            I think it’s partly because it’s cheaper and easier to administer which for poorer countries is important

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            Why is OPV still used in many countries? Because it’s easier to administer and confers intestinal immunity. However, unlike the IPV, it can revert to a form that can cause paralysis. Generally speaking, OPV is used in countries where polio is either still endemic or where there’s a relatively high risk of reimportation.

            Here’s my question, though: if you’re a journalist writing on vaccines (and castigating other journalists, why are you asking this question here? There’s tons of information on polio eradication strategies available.

          • Thanks for explaining the answer to my rhetorical question to those who weren’t aware.

          • Reality022

            Can you say Gish Gallop?
            Sure you can.

          • Katia

            Mike S. acknowledged no such thing! You only have to look around to see that measles is all around us.

          • No, measles is certainly not “all around us”, for better or for worse.

          • Katia

            Wrong-o!
            http://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html
            “2015: The United States experienced a large, multi-state measles
            outbreak linked to an amusement park in California. The outbreak likely
            started from a traveler who became infected overseas with measles, then
            visited the amusement park while infectious; however, no source was
            identified. Analysis by CDC scientists showed that the measles virus
            type in this outbreak (B3) was identical to the virus type that caused
            the large measles outbreak in the Philippines in 2014.

            2014: The
            U.S. experienced 23 measles outbreaks in 2014, including one large
            outbreak of 383 cases, occurring primarily among unvaccinated Amish
            communities in Ohio. Many of the cases in the U.S. in 2014 were
            associated with cases brought in from the Philippines, which experienced
            a large measles outbreak. For more information see the Measles in the Philippines Travelers’ Health Notice.

            2013:
            The U.S. experienced 11 outbreaks in 2013, three of which had more than
            20 cases, including an outbreak with 58 cases. For more information see
            Measles — United States, January 1-August 24, 2013.

            2011:
            In 2011, more than 30 countries in the WHO European Region reported an
            increase in measles, and France was experiencing a large outbreak. Most
            of the cases that were brought to the U.S. in 2011 came from France. For
            more information see Measles — United States, January-May 20, 2011.

            2008:
            The increase in cases in 2008 was the result of spread in communities
            with groups of unvaccinated people. The U.S. experienced several
            outbreaks in 2008 including three large outbreaks. For more information
            see Update: Measles — United States, January–July 2008.”

            Some more stats for 2015:
            http://pediatrics.about.com/od/measles/a/measles-outbreaks.htm

            Here are some stats on international outbreaks:
            http://pediatrics.about.com/od/measles/a/measles-outbreak.htm

          • 178 cases this year. Out of a population of 319,000,000. In the hundreds the year before. Etc. No, measles is most certainly not “all around us”. That is just a silly statement.

          • Katia

            You clearly do not understand epidemiology. That is not a silly statement. I thought you were big on “no put-downs”.

          • You don’t like me calling the statement silly, so I’ll rephrase: given perhaps a few hundred cases a year out of a population of 319 million, I fail to see how the statement that measles is “all around us” has any bearing on reality.

          • Katia

            You don’t understand epidemiology.

          • I see. So to an epidemiologist, a few hundred cases out of a population of 319 million equates to a disease being “all around us”. Thanks for explaining how words have completely different meanings when used by scientists than by the rest of the English-speaking population.

          • Mike Stevens

            Well if there wasn’t a safer vaccine available (injected polio vaccine) then I certainly would want the US to “go back” to the oral polio vaccine.
            I’d happily have let my kids have it.

          • Hey, if you would want to put your kids at greater risk of getting polio, that’s your choice. I would choose not to put my kid at greater risk of getting polio.

          • Mike Stevens

            In the years before oral vaccines were introduced in USA around 35 thousand kids developed polio every year.

            The number of wild polio infections reduced to zero as a result of vaccination, but unfortunately there were some polio cases attributed to the vaccine itself. In the 7 years OPV was used between 1993 and 2000, there were 153 cases, or an average of 21 per year.

            Not only are you a poor journalist, but you stink at math, if you think 21 is a bigger number than 35,000.

          • The mortality rate of polio in the pre-vaccine era is completely irrelevant to my previous comment.

            We are talking about 2015, not 1945.

          • Katia

            My kids had it. That’s what was being used in the US at the time.

          • But the very small risk of getting measles is due to the vaccine as your second graph points out.

            Which doesn’t negate my point in the least bit.

          • Michael englebert

            yes but you’ll only maintain that small risk of catching it by continuing to vaccinate, the disease hasn’t gone away

          • Saying the same thing two different ways still doesn’t negate my point in the least bit.

          • Michael englebert

            The crux of your point seems to be that we should stop vaccinating as not many people get measles and the risks of the vaccine outweigh the risk of catching measles, and if it returns then it’ll be children who get it and they are better placed to cope with it. Thank God we get health policy from people who actually spend years studying this rather than journalist like you or Internet commentators like me

          • The crux of your point seems to be that we should go on maintaining existing one-size-fits all public policy despite the risks of the vaccine admittedly outweighing the risk of catching measles, despite our knowledge today about how getting measles in childhood may actually be a good thing, despite our knowledge about the factors that lead to complications, despite the knowledge that certain individuals may be genetically predisposed towards having adverse reactions, etc., etc. It’s tragic that so many people think our health ought to be placed in the hands of bureaucrats.

          • cabcabal

            If there was a tremendous decline in measles-related deaths prior to the release of the vaccine, why would you attribute 100% of any subsequent declines solely to the vaccine? Could it be possible that these trends would have continued with or without the vaccine? Guess we’ll never know for sure, but common sense tells me …

          • Michael englebert

            I’m not, I’m talking about tjr decline in measles incidence not deaths. The decline in deaths was due to the factors the author states, but people still died.

          • sabelmouse

            but the deaths could have been further reduced by less poverty/more nutrition and vitamin a.
            a vaccine was never needed.

          • Michael englebert

            Maybe they would have been, but still people would die like this woman. And just because measles may not kill you doesnt mean its something you want to get. Even now a lot of cases end up in hospital, they may live but there’s treatmemt costs, parents time off work and possible complications some of which like SSPE will eventually be fatal

          • sabelmouse

            this woman was immunocompromised and died of pneumonia after foolishly entering an area full of people with some sort of ailment.
            lot’s of cases end in hospital because people panic and are clueless. when i had it, along with most of my generation people didn’t even call a doctor half the time. oh, that glorious era of house calls!
            someone like this woman should not be gallivanting in [crowded] public spaces and should not have to go to a doctor.
            what a crazy situation.

          • Michael englebert

            So its all her own fault? We dont know what was wrong with her to be in hospital. Should she have just locked herself away for the rest of her life?

          • sabelmouse

            it’s part of her condition in life, if she wanted to live. but as i’ve said, we need house calls back, certainly in such cases.

          • Michael englebert

            So despite not even knowing what was wrong with her, you’d suggest that she should have quarantined herself rather than go out and be exposed to a disease that had virtually vanished from the USA before people stopped vaccinating in as large a number as before

          • sabelmouse

            we know a few things. where have you been?

          • sabelmouse

            we know that she was on immune suppressants. and she could have gotten measles from a vaccinated person, not to mention the host of other things, like a cold.

          • Michael englebert

            But we don’t know why, there was probably a very good reason she was taking that medication. And the county have stated that the index case was unvaccinated and infected some family members

          • ciaparker2

            Every year two million in the U.S. get antibiotic resistant superbug infections, and 23,000 die from them every year. They are most common in medical facilities, but can occur anywhere. When an immunocompromised person sets foot in a clinic or a hospital, he must know that he may very likely get such an infection and may very well be one of the 23,000 who dies from it. Whether the risk is worth it, only the individual can judge.
            But we’re back to the fact that the person who had recently been seen at the facility later came down with measles. A lot of unknowns there, but that person had no obligation to court the many dangers of the vaccine to protect an unknown woman he is very unlikely to ever have even seen. I have never had a flu shot or any meningitis vaccine (I’ve had measles and have permanent immunity). And I’m not going to either, even though it’s possible that I contract a subclinical case (without ever knowing it) or a clinical one, and possibly infect an immunocompromised person out there somewhere. At this time, the 10% of kids on IEPs in California don’t have to get any more vaccines even if SB 277 finally goes through. And so they are going to be catching and transmitting measles, pertussis, flu, and meningitis. Is it necessary to have already been severely damaged to be safe from further vaccine damage? What about those who just don’t want to be damaged to start with? And they’re going to put their lives on the line to possibly protect a future example of this immunocompromised woman?

          • Katia

            She was in a freaking hospital! She needed the care they could give her. You do not get to darken the door of hospital in the US w/o a very good reason.

          • sabelmouse

            i know, it’s ridiculously expensive.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            In case you hadn’t noticed, antivaxers are generally sure their Awesome Lifestyle guarantees surviving the culling of the herd.

          • Mike P

            What makes you think they don’t stand a better chance of survival under a certain healthier lifestyle? I don’t think they believe its a guarantee, Andrew. We all know there are no guarantees in life. With anything. I suppose you believe the only way to guarantee survival is from the crutch of the pharmaceutical industry?

          • Andrew Lazarus

            For some of these diseases, a better lifestyle certainly helped. Measles outcomes are much worse for the malnourished, but you’ll have a hard time persuading me that Roald Dahl’s measles-killed daughter was one of those. For polio, the middle class suffered worse than the slums: seems to be an exception.

            The statistics are clear that the vaccines are much safer than taking your chances with the wild diseases. You just want the best of both worlds. Almost no chance of exposure, because your neighbors vaccinate, and not even the tiny risks of vaccination. Then you go all narcissist. If you want to go to some place these diseases are still endemic, you are highly likely to get sick, and there’s a reasonable chance to discover that all the kale and vitamins in your suitcase don’t prevent encephalitis, pneumonia, deafness, etc.

          • Mike P

            Explain to me then why you believe everyone who contracts the wild diseases will develop encephalitis, pneumonia, deafness, etc.

          • Katia

            Because 30% of measles patients do!

          • ciaparker2

            Not true. One in twenty gets pneumonia, but it is usually viral, mild, and self-limiting. Rarely it is bacterial, but in those cases can usually be treated with antibiotics. Encephalitis in 1960 occurred in one in 10,000 measles cases, and the prognosis was good. Dr. Michaela Glockler said that in modern times it had become common to give fever reducers when children had measles, and that that would have the effect of increasing encephalitis. Only one in many thousands became deaf from measles, and the measles vaccine has also caused deafness: in fact, the vaccine can cause all the adverse events as the disease occasionally can.

          • Katia

            I can’t post the link from my kindle, but CDC says 30%have complications. This ” mild” pneumonia is the cause of most measles deaths. “Good prognosis” + encephalitis” is an oxymoron. Who’s this latest good doctor? Another social worker? Deafness from measles is not rare; I have some hearing loss either from it or mumps.

          • ciaparker2

            The 30% with complications usually have mild complications like bronchitis, ear infections, diarrhea, the conjunctivitis might be part of measles itself, and these complications are not serious and can be treated by the ordinary means. The one in twenty with pneumonia usually has the viral kind, which will go away by itself without treatment. Only one or two in every 10,000 cases of measles dies, usually, in fact, of pneumonia, but in those cases it is nearly always bacterial pneumonia, which is much more serious, although it can usually be treated with antibiotics. That’s why so few people die of measles. In Europe in 2011, 28,000 were diagnosed with measles, and there were nine deaths. In the UK in the ’80s, one or two in every 10,000 measles cases died. In the US in 1960, less than one in 10,000 cases in children between three and ten died. In cases of measles encephalitis, in 1960 occurring in one in 10,000 measles cases, about one fifth died, one fifth sustained permanent brain damage, and three fifths recovered with no permanent damage. But measles encephalitis is very rare (if no fever reducers are given, and rare even if they are). The vaccine often causes encephalitis, which is what causes the autism so frequent in those who react to the MMR.

          • Katia

            You’re full of it, cia. As much as you have posted this drivel, you’ve never posted one cite to support such unadulterated trash.

          • Katia

            Too funny! Measles encephalitis is benign, but measles vaccine encephalitis, which I have never received a call about in over 40 years, causes autism? Good one cia!

          • Why do you assume Roald Dahl’s daughter couldn’t possibly have been nutrient deficient in, say, vitamin A?

            As for whether the benefits of vaccination outweighs the risk, that is the question, which you are begging.

          • cabcabal

            “As for whether the benefits of vaccination outweighs the risk …”

            As this applies to the individual, the answer is incredibly obvious for anyone taking a moment to ponder it.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            What if she was Vitamin A deficient? What if my baby is vitamin A deficient and catches measles? Why wouldn’t we assume that some people will be vitamin A deficient when designing and implementing public health policy?

          • To your first question: Then your baby would be at greater risk of complications. But you know that already, so I don’t know why you ask. As for your second question, I don’t understand it. It ought to be understand that some people will be vitamin A deficient.

          • sabelmouse

            or rapidly become so once ill, from what i read.

          • sabelmouse

            exactly, we should. as for your baby, if only you had had the measles as a child. blame those who prevented them.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            Vitamin A deficiency is quite rare in the Western upper-middle class.

            What was word that you used when the shoe was on the other foot?

            Oh, yes: speculating. Rather desperately, in this case.

          • Vitamin A deficiency is quite rare in the Western upper-middle class.

            Key word: “is”. Present tense. We are talking the 1960s. And even if it was quite rare then, as well, the possibility remains it was a contributing factor in her death.

          • swanndown

            Actually, Vitamin A deficiency may not be so rare among the Western middle class. This study is from 1992. “We studied 20 children with measles in Long Beach, Calif., and found that 50% (95% confidence interval; 28% to 72%) were vitamin A deficient. This frequency among presumably well nourished American children supports evaluation of vitamin A status as a part of acute management of measles in the United States.” http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022347605825454

          • Thanks for the resource.

          • swanndown

            Here are two other studies that support the hypothesis that Vitamin A deficiency has been and continues to be a problem for a substantial number of people even in developed countries. http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/91/6/1176.abstract?ijkey=64f765fce420e07e4a35d9a6b28aa97f35b773a8&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha

            http://archpedi.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=516043

          • Katia

            A study of 20 is worthless.

          • sabelmouse

            it may be but there’s always individual differences in absorption. and maybe the child was a picky eater.
            was she ever checked for underlying conditions.

          • ciaparker2

            She may have had Reye’s syndrome from the aspirin which I”m sure they gave her when she complained of headache. I’m not criticizing the parents, I know how much they loved her, it was just the thing that many people did for fever. She was recovering from measles, past the acute stage.

          • ciaparker2

            But when you have any disease, your body uses up existing stores of vitamin A very fast, and quickly reaches depletion. I cited a study two months ago on children hospitalized for measles who were well-nourished, but vitamin-A deficient. It is wise to give any measles patient the recommended dose of vitamin A, even in the First World. In the Third World, giving vitamin A cuts the death rate in half.

          • CS

            Oh you mean the study that measured blood levels?

            You keep trying to tell me blood levels don’t tell the whole story every time I post blood(and brain) thimerosal data.

            But you ignore me when I point out plenty of micronutrients, an easy example being iron, are sequestered during illness, but in this case blood levels is suddenly definitive data as far as you’re concerned.

            Hypocrit or liar, which is it?

          • ciaparker2

            Your immune system needs a lot of vitamin A and C when combatting disease, and goes through it quickly. Those who have enough of it usually survive, those who do not usually die. I have posted myself about the body removing iron from the blood as one of the defensive mechanisms which kicks into place as fever rises, to prevent the pathogens from feeding on the iron.
            Do as you like. Giving children in Africa supplemental A when they have measles has been proven to halve the death rate. The study which I have cited previously and which Swann refers to below showed that even typical, well-nourished children in California hospitalized with measles did not have enough vitamin A. If you want to believe that they really have enough even though it doesn’t appear to be in their blood, I really don’t care at all what measures you may take in response to your false belief.

          • CS

            So you’re going with hypocrit by acknowledging you know many micronutrients are sequestered and then reposting the same study with an extra reference to that study of already malnourished children in Africa that you love so much. Thanks for clearing that up.

          • ciaparker2

            The immune system is extremely intelligent and has many intricate mechanisms which are poorly understood at this time. It is intelligent to move iron out of the blood so that the pathogenic bacteria cannot feed on it. It is intelligent enough to perceive the difference between many substances, and is not going to sequester the vitamin A thinking that it is the same as iron. It steps up its rate of leukocyte production at the beginning of a fever, and does so four times as fast at a temperature of 40 degrees Celsius as at 39. Lowering the fever by any means, Tylenol, Ibuprofen, aspirin, sponge baths, is a mistake. The immune system knows from its millions of years of evolution how high to make the fever for its task of saving your life and killing the invading pathogens, and how long to hold it there. While a fever of 108 Fahrenheit would probably do brain damage, the immune system has a mechanism to keep a natural fever from ever going above 106 degrees. Fevers higher than that would only occur from poisoning or being in conditions which induce heat stroke.

          • CS

            How about you don’t put words in my mouth? Sound good? I never said anything about the body thinking vitA was iron and you have yet to explain why blood levels are definitive in this case but all the literature I’ve shown you regarding how mercury does not bioaccumulate and blood levels do not change with vaccines somehow isn’t good enough.

            That’s what I want explained. Why are you ignoring data with equivilent study design to the one you are now stating is definitive proof of your theory?

          • ciaparker2

            I think what probably happened with Olivia is that they gave her an aspirin when she started complaining about a headache (measles encephalitis), and that is what caused her death. Dr. Michaela Glockler said that in 1960, the incidence of measles encephalitis was one in 10,000 cases, one in 15,000 toddlers, and that the prognosis was good, most patients made a complete recovery even from encephalitis.

          • sabelmouse

            during taking those drugs she should certainly avoid crowded places and those that are guaranteed tom have people with infectious illnesses in them .

          • Michael englebert

            But she may have been on them for years/or what would have been the rest of her life. We dont know the dosage, maybe she was a recent transplant patient or maybe she’d been on a lower dose of these drugs for a long time. Bottom line is we don’t know, but we do know we can reduce the risk of catching measles through widespread vaccination

          • sabelmouse

            yup, everybody risk their own health for her, so she can go wherever she wants. wouldn’t even work as a cold could fell her.

          • Michael englebert

            Oh well, i;d best tell my old flatmate never to leave the house again since he’s been taking these drugs sicne a kidney transplant, he’s got a decent book collection so i’m sure he’ll cope until his demise is 30 years time or so

          • sabelmouse

            great idea! there’s also the internet and tv.

          • Michael englebert

            I shall let him know, I’ll leave it to you to tell the millions of other people on these drugs not to bother heading out, it’ll do wonders for Internet shopping

          • sabelmouse

            them’s the breaks! how do they cope with the common cold?

          • Michael englebert

            Well it’s a different illness with a much lower mortality rate.

          • sabelmouse

            not so much if your immune suppressed.

          • Katia

            She was admitted to the hospital.

          • Katia

            She was hospitalized.

          • Katia

            She was in a hospital. Do you understand what that means? In the US, your doctor admits you to the hospital. It’s not like a hotel, where you can check yourself in.

          • sabelmouse

            anybody can walk in and out of hospitals. if an immune suppressed person is taken then special care must be taken. if she went there to have something checked then she shouldn’t have had to. housecalls.

          • Katia

            No one goes to a hospital as an in-patient in the US as you describe.

          • sabelmouse

            are you saying that guards prevent people from walking into and through hospitals , asking questions, asking for help if they need it [ whether they’re rejected and thrown out to die because the have no money isn’t part of this just now],and visiting people?

          • Katia

            Yes. Seriously, why are you blaming this person (now dead) for going to the hospital? Hospitals also have isolation procedures. The woman was exposed when she was a patient at a hospital. She had to be there. Maybe the person with measles did, too. You’re trying to play gish-gallop again!

          • sabelmouse

            what makes you think she was infected by someone with measles?

          • Katia

            Because that’s what all the news accounts have said.

          • sabelmouse

            she could have been infected by a shedding vaccinated person, or had had the vaccine herself. i’ve read different things. anyways, she died of pneumonia.

          • Katia

            FUD!

          • Katia

            It’s a little hard to get measles any other way.

          • sabelmouse

            you can get it from being vaccinated, from a vaccinated person, or because your vaccination has failed/waned.

          • Katia

            You cannot get it from being vaccinated. The only way you can get measles from a ***recently*** (note emphasis) vaccinated person is if you have a severely compromised immune system. We do not know how severely this person’s system was compromised. Obviously not severely enough to keep her out of circulation, assuming she was following her doctor’s advice.

          • sabelmouse

            quite possibly. or the hospital failed.

          • You cannot get it from being vaccinated.

            “Vaccine-associated measles infections that are clinically indistinguishable from wild-type measles are rare and have occurred in both healthy and immunocompromised children.”

            http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2458/13/269

          • Katia

            Rare. Take note.

          • Thank you for acknowledging that your statement “You cannot get it from being vaccinated” is false.

          • ciaparker2

            So how was the infection transmitted? Measles is an airborne infection. Did they let this sick person (who didn’t yet have measles) sit next to this woman and cough on her? The original story said that she went to what sounded like a clinic, at which a previous patient had been seen who later came down with measles. I think they’re fishing here. So she sat in the waiting room and picked up a magazine that the other person had been reading? Might she not have done the same thing in the checkout line of the grocery store?

          • Katia

            “The original story”, LOL! Several stories came out at the same time. Stop this FUD stuff, cia. The autopsy determined she died of measles.

          • ciaparker2

            OK, so you tell me. She was in a hospital, in your opinion. So how was she exposed to the germs of a patient who was going to get but did not yet have measles, who had already left the premises?

          • Katia

            She was in a hospital.

          • ciaparker2

            What’s your point? Tens of thousands of people every year catch dangerous infections at hospitals which they would not have caught had they not entered the hospital. Most hospitals probably do the best they can, but under the circumstances, they cannot make hospitals germ-free environments in which no one interned there will catch any dangerous infection.

          • Katia

            Us, just “herd-thinning” at work!

          • ciaparker2

            We must as a society be aware that it is necessary for children to develop mature immune systems by going through the childhood diseases and not take the vaxes for them. It is not ever going to be in the individual’s power to dictate the larger forces, but only at the level of deciding questions like vaccine acceptance or refusal. But if you don’t let people develop strong healthy immune systems, if instead you prefer to shackle half of them with neurological and autoimmune diseases caused by vaccines, then you will have a disabled population which has overcome the law of survival of the fittest, instead creating a situation in which the unfit and disabled predominate. I don’t know, what do you think that would do to the health of the society in the long run?
            http://www.ageofautism.com/2013/12/the-tragically-hip-chronically-sick-americas-young-.html

          • Katia

            Really, cia, that’s a crock of sh*t!

          • ciaparker2

            No. This is the mess in which vaccines have landed us. Everyone needs to read the article I linked and think about whether it is better to get measles, mumps, etc., and reap all the benefits, and lose the autism, or create an ever-more damaged population by continuing to follow our course of mega-vaccines.

          • Katia

            You are absolutely full of it. There is NO scientific evidence to support that pig slop.

          • Katia

            She was in a hospital. She didn’t get exposed at the mall.

          • sabelmouse

            hospitals are full of sick people.

          • ciaparker2

            She, like everyone else, needed to weigh her options. Maybe she did, and chose what seemed to be her best option, and maybe it was. But the bottom line is that healthy people have no obligation to damage themselves and their children with vaccines on the chance that it might benefit the immunocompromised. The immunocompromised must understand that, and take that into their calculations when deciding what they should do.

          • ciaparker2

            I think the fault is that doctors don’t make house calls anymore in the U.S. This woman should not have been compelled to go to a medical clinic when she needed medical attention. But no one here cares about the needs of the public.

          • Katia

            She was a patient in a hospital. She needed more than a house call.

          • ciaparker2

            The original report said that she had gone to a medical clinic at which another patient had been seen who later came down with measles. If she was in the hospital, then the hospital failed in its obligation to implement measures for quarantine.

          • Katia

            I believe the original report said a “medical facility”. I’ve read other reports that said hospital, which is a medical facility.

            The person with measles may not have had symptoms at the time.

          • ciaparker2

            That’s true. The patient who later developed measles did not have symptoms at the time he was seen at the medical facility. But it really doesn’t matter. Life is fraught with danger, especially for an immunocompromised person. It is very unwise for such a person to go to a medical facility laden with trillions of dangerous germs. Did you know that ARS (antibiotic resistant superbugs) infect two million Americans a year, and 23,000 of them die from it every year? They are especially common at medical facilities, although they have caused infections at other locations as well.
            The best thing that the population at large could do would be to NOT get vaccines, or just the bare minimum (DT for tetanus, maybe polio if it came back, but up to the judgment of the parent). This would mean that there would be a FRACTION of the immune-compromised people there are now, and it would mean that most people would have a stronger, more flexible and competent immune system which had NOT been taught by vaccines to attack its own body systems (autoimmune disease), and which HAD been allowed to reach optimal functioning by practicing on the formerly universal childhood infections (measles, mumps, rubella, pertussis, chickenpox).

          • Katia

            Just another thinning of the herd, eh cia?

          • sabelmouse

            very much so.

          • ciaparker2

            You’re right, the vaccine wasn’t needed, and has caused serious disability in hundreds of thousands who would have led healthy lives had they not gotten the vaccine. Vitamin A, no fever reducers, bed rest, good hydration, adequate recuperation time, and herbal and homeoopathic remedies would allow people to get and recover from measles without incident, and gain all the advantages of having had it.

          • Judith

            The whole medical model needs to change. Our children are getting sicker and sicker. Auto immune disease is skyrocketing. Vaccines are changing the immune system to favour the TH2 which favours auto-immunity. The government continues to allow livestock to consume antibiotics and what was once a valuable resource is becoming lost to us. Our children have been overdosed with antibiotics for decades and our doctors and government did nothing to stop this. As a result their gut health which is increasingly being linked to immune health is being destroyed.
            Do your really think constant drugs and needles without nutrition and healthy lifestyle is the answer? Yes the cost of medical treatment is skyrocketing because of this failed medical model. People need to go back to what is natural and wholesome in their lives.

          • Michael englebert

            Nobody is saying healthy lifestyles and nutrition aren’t important, i’ve never met a doctor who hasn’t said this. But there will always be people who get sick regardless of this. it’s not an either or

          • ciaparker2

            We don’t know how many people react adversely to the vaccine since most parents don’t recognize the symptoms of vaccine reaction (never having been taught to look out for them), and most reports which are made are brushed off with the excuse that it was not 100% proven that the reaction was caused by the vaccine. A study could be done comparing the incidence of the conditions suspected between groups which got the MMR (and/or other vaccines) and a COMPLETELY unvaxed group, but no one is willing to do such a study.
            Therefore, it is the right and duty of every parent to decide whether they want to risk measles (usually relatively mild and ultimately beneficial) or risk adverse reactions from the vaccine (autism, bowel disease, thrombocytopenia, and dozens more reported reactions affecting every body system). I would ALWAYS choose natural measles. As Dr. Mike has recognized, in the absence of rare bacterial infections secondary to measles, there is NO allopathic treatment for measles, so it’s just another scam to get money out of the system to hospitalize measles patients with no treatable complications.

          • Michael englebert

            There’s a very good reason why nobody will do that study as it’s unethical. They know the vaccine works and they know the rate of side effects and we also know the rate of measles complications

          • ciaparker2

            Well, everyone now realizes that those are just provax excuses to not look at the seriousness and extent of vaccine damage. None of them is true.

        • Andrew Lazarus

          Yes, there is even less risk to free riding on the measles-free, near-polio-free environment we created with vaccinations. You owe us for that, just as if we created sewage treatment centers and you figured as one individual you could save the cost of paying to use it and chucking your sewage into the water supply.

          We see herd immunity all around us: it explains how the 95% vaccination rate drove down incidence by 99.99%. The extra 4.99% is the herd immunity bonus. Estimates from the 1930s on herd immunity are obsolete, because they referred only to clinical cases, and now we can test and see that another circa 40% of the population was also immune to measles from previous exposure, but without having developed symptoms. If only 55% of the community is immune, “naturally” or otherwise, measles, being very contagious, has plenty of room to operate.

          Your web site looks very sophisticated, and on some issues I probably agree with you, which I think is too bad, because on this one you are swallowing a lot of conspiracy Kool-Aid. Just because the government doesn’t allow drunk driving, doesn’t make drunk driving good.

          • Andrew, you are begging the question. It’s because of vaccine policy that today, in the event of an outbreak, the most vulnerable members of society are at greater risk.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            What are you talking about? You have to be exposed to get sick. Given that the immunocompromised are in trouble either way, I think you are trying to sneak your baby argument back in. Yeah, if enough of you cranks stop vaccinating and bring back massive outbreaks totally unnecessarily, I suppose we can construct a model where babies are at greater risk. But at the current number of measles cases, every single one could be a baby and it would still be better for babies than before the vaccine. You haven’t yet realized that 100% of 300 is less than 1% of 300,000? Some economist.

          • What are you talking about? You have to be exposed to get sick.

            Hence the part of my statement that reads “in the event of an outbreak”.

            Yeah, if enough of you cranks stop vaccinating and bring back massive outbreaks totally unnecessarily…

            You’re begging the question again. Please refer, e.g., to the article where it discusses the 1960s research showing that, in the pre-vaccine era, outbreaks occurred in fairly predictable cycles and only occurred where immunity was below 55%.

      • Katia

        Before the measles vaccine, the risk of contracting measles was close to 100% by age 18. The reason the incidence went down is, ta da, VACCINE!

        • cabcabal

          That may or may not be true, but just because we arrived here by way of vaccines doesn’t mean I’m obligated to put my children at significantly greater risk by giving them a vaccine that may or may not be effective, that may or may not harm or kill them, that may or may not have serious and unintended long-term consequences.

          Other parents are free to do as they wish, but I’m always going to choose the lesser of two evils when it comes to making decisions that directly affect my children, even if that means my choice isn’t in the best interest of the CDC’s “greater good” agenda. And that means making decisions based on the facts as they stand today.

          And don’t act like you don’t do the same. Take automobiles. Many studies indicate that automobile pollution causes 50K+ deaths every year in the U.S. Do you have any idea how many deaths measles caused per year in the U.S. pre-vaccine and with medicine far more basic than what’s offered today? Somewhere between 400-600. That’s a hell of a lot less than 58K. Yet I bet you don’t think twice about hopping in your car and tooling around town like it ain’t no thing. The science and math is very clear on this one — you’re literally working towards killing a hell of a lot more people than my two unvaccinated kids. But keep fighting the good fight … the more the sheep keep pumping their kids full of poison, the less I have to worry about taking he same sort of risk with the health of my own children.

          And yes, I too drive a car. Why? Because like everyone else in this country, I’m selfish. But the difference between you and I is not selfishness … the difference between you and I is that I’m honest and informed. I know for sure you’re not informed … it remains to be seen exactly how honest you are.

          • Katia

            “May or may not be true”, LOL! I see you’re well informed, just the person who should be making important decisions for your kids.

            How can you make a decision based on facts when you don’t know the facts?

            I’m far more informed than you are, pal. You can take your insults and shove them.

          • Kim

            Except you’re the one that doesn’t know the facts. You made an outrageous and unsubstantiated claim that before vaccination the risk was 100%. Silly.

          • Katia

            The H*ll I did! Quote me.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            The rate of seroconversion indicating exposure to measles was near 100%. That includes people who fought the disease off without getting sick, or at least sick enough to enter the health system. Given the birth cohort of the USA, that’s about 3 million seroconversions a year, on average. I say average, because like all catch-once diseases, measles came in epidemic cycles. That’s proof of herd immunity, by the way: the susceptible cohort had to be replenished through births.

            The number of clinical cases varied, in the decade before the vaccine, from about 300,000 to 750,000. Also, 48,000 hospitalizations, average.

            Measles is about the most contagious disease we know of, airborne and can survive in a waiting room or classroom for a couple hours.

          • cabcabal

            So you’re kind of saying about 60% of cases occurred without a clinical diagnosis … kind of makes that 1-2 in 1,000 mortality rate and 25% hospitalization rate look terribly ridiculous, no?

          • Andrew Lazarus

            No, not if you are consistent about whether you are measuring these rates per clinical case, or per estimated exposure (which, for measles, might as well be the entire population).

          • cabcabal

            So the mortality rate is 1 in 1,000 in the clinical setting, but 1 in 7,000 in the setting of life.

            Mmmm …. wonder which rate I’ll use when making actual life decisions.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            Hmmm… wonder if you’ll think of anyone besides yourself when making actual life decisions. Too much to ask, I suppose.

          • cabcabal

            Hey, I don’t smoke cigarettes … but you’re sure as hell free to. Heck, you can even blow smoke in your kid’s face for all I care. Knock yourself out, pal.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            If you blow smoke in my kid’s face, we’ll have an issue.

          • cabcabal

            Yeah, as I mentioned, I don’t smoke so …

          • Andrew Lazarus

            And the fatality rate from the MMR compared to 1:7000 life for measles, what would that be? Under 1 in a million. You do the math.

          • cabcabal

            And again, what are the odds of catching wild measles?

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            Very low. Because the rest of us don’t act like we live on a desert island.

          • Michael englebert

            There are studies and papers which pretty much validate the claim that it was near 100%

          • Katia

            Where did I say that? Please quote. You too Mike P!

          • cabcabal

            I say “may or may not be true” because it’s absolutely irrelevant.

            And in case you haven’t figured it out … if you want to engage in the vaccine debate, you can’t be so thin-skinned. But if I offended you by pointing out what a god damned hypocrite you are, my most sincere apologies.

        • Kim

          You must be confused. The rate of measles DECLINED by nearly 100% BEFORE the introduction of vaccines. In fact, the vast majority of diseases had declined sharply before vaccines came on the scene. Why? Because of great strides in public sanitation (sewer systems), personal hygiene (people stared washing their hands), improved nutrition and clean drinking water.

          • Katia

            Oh no the measles INCIDENCE did not decline until the vaccine came out.

          • ciaparker2

            Measles was different. I’m on your side, but even in the early ’60s before the vaccine, 99% of American children were still getting it. I got it in 1963, when I was six, and it swept through my school. Everyone then got it. It was mortality which had plummeted since it had been a big killer in the nineteenth century. But measles is a GOOD thing for healthy children to get, and there is no better way to train and educate the cellular immune system to provide optimal non-specific as well as specific protection throughout life. The public sanitation and clean water reduced the danger of water-borne diseases like cholera, but not the danger of airborne diseases like pertussis, measles, diphtheria, and scarlet fever. Polio can be either water or airborne. Crowded tenements increased the severity of the diseases, and that problem was alleviated in the twentieth century. And good nutrition improved the ability of everyone to withstand and recover from the diseases, and the reason that they are still big killers in Third World countries, but not in developed countries.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            You have confused mortality with incidence. Measles incidence was certainly not going down. Decreased mortality pre-vaccine is quite true, and to some extent that was from better nutrition—also from access to Big Pharma’s antibiotics against secondary infections, and also simply from better access to hospitals.

          • Michael englebert

            I suggest you look at the graphs in this article as you are confusing death and incidence

          • Reality022

            That is usually the intention when some anti-vaccine cultist produces the mortality charts which leads the bleating followers to make arrogantly ignorant statements about the disease. See: Suzanne Humphries for numerous examples of this dishonesty.

          • The charts were produced by the US Department of Health and Hinman, et al, J Infect Dis. (2004) 189(Supplement 1): S69-S77.

            I had no idea that the US DOH and the authors of that paper are “anti-vaccine”…

          • Michael englebert

            I dont think he’s saying they are. it’s just they focus on the death rates and imply that because not many people were dying then we didn’t need to vaccinate

          • The mortality rate had declined dramatically before the introduction of the vaccine, not incidence.

        • ciaparker2

          Yes, 99% of kids before the mid-’60s, or even later, got natural measles, including me. We recovered with permanent immunity and all the other benefits. There were four million cases a year, not all reported, because it was such a relatively mild, routine disease, but blood testing showed that 99% of kids by 18 had measles antibodies. There was an average of 450 deaths a year, most in the immunocompromised, but certainly not all. In Europe in 2011 there were 28,000 reported cases of measles, nine deaths, fifteen cases of possibly permanent disability. The UK in the ’80s had one or two deaths in every 10,000 cases of measles. But 450 deaths out of four million cases is not very many, and most of those deaths could be avoided by the use of the appropriate dose of vitamin A, the withholding of any fever reducers, and adequate nursing, keeping the patient quiet, warm, and well-hydrated in bed throughout the entire illness, and observing an adequate recuperation period. Those are the facts, and parents must be allowed to choose what they want to do. Natural measles or run the risk of vaccine autism, now diagnosed in one in 36 American children (U. of Minnesota 2013)?

        • Yes. Which is not necessarily an argument for vaccination. See the article.

        • Judith

          A case-control study has shown that 41 percent of meningitis occurred in children vaccinated against the disease. The vaccine’s protective efficacy was minus 58 percent. This means that children are much more likely to get the disease if they are vaccinated. (JAMA, 1988, Osterholm et al., 260: 1423-1428.)

          “The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons.” (Review article: 50 REFS. Dept. of Internal Medicine, Mayo Vaccine Research Group, Mayo Clinic and Foundation, Rochester, MN. Archives of Internal Medicine. 154(16):1815-20, 1994 Aug 22. )

          Measles vaccination produces immune suppression which contributes to an increased susceptibility to other infections. Clinical Immunology and Immunopathology, May 1996; 79(2): 163-170.

          • Katia

            The Hib vaccine study you are quoting is from 1988, a mere 27 years ago now. It references a vaccine no longer in use.

            Likewise, your measles studies are old. This summer a study came out showing that measles disease suppresses one’s immune system for several YEARS.

        • ciaparker2

          That’s right, you and I had it, Mike and Dorit, Andrew Lazarus, Sabel and Ione, because 99% of children got it before the vaccine. And we reaped the many benefits of having had it.

          • Katia

            Yeah, I got a hearing loss from it, or maybe from mumps.

      • Mike Stevens

        “Now one could certainly make the argument that the measles pose such a miniscule threat BECAUSE of vaccines.”

        That is exactly the case.
        The data chart linked to this article by Jeremy (see below) demonstartes convincing evidence that some intervention in 1963 made the incidence of measles decline dramatically.

        I wonder what that could have been?
        .

        • cabcabal

          By “threat,” what I’m really driving at is risk of death. What’s your chart have to say on that matter?

          • Mike Stevens

            Can you put up a validated chart of deaths from vaccines?

          • cabcabal

            I am unaware of one … so no, I can’t put up such a chart.

            Out of curiosity, what does the fact that I can’t produce such a chart mean to you? … Does it mean, to you, that no one has ever died as a result of receiving a vaccine?

          • Mike Stevens

            “what does the fact that I can’t produce such a chart mean to you? … Does it mean, to you, that no one has ever died as a result of receiving a vaccine?”

            No, just that that outcome is very infrequent. We can graph deaths from diseases like measles prevaccine, because there were fairly large numbers of them, so making a graph represent something tangible, factually enlightening and the ability to estimate trends quite accurately.

            A graph without data points, or with precious few of them (which would be what a chart of vaccine deaths would be like), does none of those things.

            If, on the other hand, you are someone like Cia Parker, who imagines vaccines cause “hundreds of thousands of deaths”, then some expert epidemiologist somewhere in the US would surely have charted the phenomenon. The fact that these charts don’t exist speaks volumes.

          • cabcabal

            Oh … I see. You’ve made a great point. Now allow me make one as well …

            Can you please provide a chart of deaths from measles over the last 25 years here in the U.S. I believe that would also allow us to, in your words, “estimate trends quite accurately.”

            As for CIA, I have no idea about any of that.

            What I do know is that here (U.S.), now (today) and for the individual (my kids), taking a vaccine is far, far riskier than abstaining from a vaccine. I also know that there is compelling evidence to suggest that vaccines may have some long term health consequences for certain individuals (autism aside). And finally, I know for absolute certainty that the only vaccine that is 100% safe is a vaccine not taken.

          • ciaparker2

            I also don’t know how many deaths vaccines have caused and continued to cause. They usually attribute them to something else when they occur. I know vaccines have caused millions of cases of serious disability.

          • Mike Stevens

            ” I know vaccines have caused millions of cases of serious disability.”

            How do you “know” this, Cia?
            …You read a book?
            …You heard it on the internet?
            …You imagined it?

            I am sure you will contrive some facile explanation.
            The thing that will be missing will be some hard, factual science.

    • Accordingly, the evidence suggests that the woman’s death was due to measles virus infection.

      Yes. I didn’t suggest otherwise.

      Thus it’s clear that the “immediate risk associated with the vaccine” is orders of magnitude lower than the risk of death from measles.

      The study you cite looked at reported adverse events in Finland. In the US, as noted, there have been 65 deaths reported to VAERS following MMR vaccination, compared to the one confirmed measles-related death. Thus it is not clear at all that the risks of serious adverse events due to vaccination is “orders of magnitude lower than the risk of death from measles.”

      Furthermore, the study overlooks underreporting. As the Department of Health and Human Services itself notes, “VAERS receives reports for only a fraction of actual adverse events.”

      Moreover, it was recently demonstrated that measles virus infection suppresses the immune system for two to three years…

      That paper is unfortunately behind a paywall so I can’t assess it, and the abstract doesn’t provide any insight into how they arrived at their conclusion. But this effect wasn’t “demonstrated”, it was hypothesized and their findings were suggestive of it. They found a correlation, which doesn’t necessarily mean causation.

      Incidentally, though, the editor’s summary of the Science study states that the vaccine provides “lifelong protection” against measles, which is false, and a shocking statement to see accompanying a peer-reviewed journal paper.

      This study contradicts previous studies indicating that measles infection actually confers protection against other diseases, so it will be interesting to see how that plays out.

      • Also, you said the one study was “a carefully monitored trial” with 1.8 million participants, which is false. That is simply the number of individuals who’d been vaccinated with MMR. They weren’t part of any “carefully monitored trial”. This is like describing every child in the US who receives an MMR shot as part of a “carefully monitored trial” because VAERS exists. The only sense in which that is accurate is that they are indeed using our children as subjects in a grand experiment, without informed consent.

        • cabcabal

          You must be under the impression that people want to have a sensible debate when it comes to vaccines. Guess again.

        • Mike Stevens

          I am pleased to see that you realise what a crock VAERS is when used by commenters to make definitive claims about vaccines.

          • cabcabal

            If you know of a better reference point for acquiring quantitative data around vaccine-induced injuries and deaths, I’d love to hear about it.

          • ciaparker2

            Great come-back! VAERS is administered by the FDA as the only means of keeping track of all adverse reactions to any vaccine on a permanent basis, post-licensure. The sh— love to say that there is no proof that the reported reactions really happened or were really caused by the vaccines. They love to cite the apocryphal case of a DOCTOR who made a false report, claiming that a vaccine reaction had turned him into the Incredible Hulk, thinking that that conclusively establishes that no one can believe ANY of the thousands of reports which have been made to it. The live polio vaccine was pulled from the market based on reports to VAERS of people being paralyzed by it. In our day, It never would have been pulled, because those in pharma employ would have vociferously denied that these children were really paralyzed, or, if they were, that it had been caused by the vaccine. But anyone who chooses may read as many of the VAERS reports as he chooses, they’re open to the public, and may read THOUSANDS of cases of normal child gets vaccine, starts vomiting and seizing that afternoon or the next day, goes into heart failure, respiratory failure, liver or kidney failure, taken to hospital, dies. The fact that the sh— are completely comfortable asserting that such reports mean NOTHING, certainly don’t mean that anyone should refuse the vaccines which caused the death or permanent disability, says reams about who they are and what their purpose is.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            “Great come-back! VAERS is administered by the FDA as the only means of
            keeping track of all adverse reactions to any vaccine on a permanent
            basis, post-licensure.”

            False. Google “vaccine safety datalink.”

          • VSD has its own limitations which are entirely of human origin:

            http://www.safeminds.org/blog/2014/01/23/new-disclosures-vaccine-safety-datalink-vsd/

          • Mike Stevens

            Try the Vaccine Safety Data Link.

          • The VSD has its own limitations which are entirely of human origin:

            http://www.safeminds.org/blog/2014/01/23/new-disclosures-vaccine-safety-datalink-vsd/

          • Mike Stevens

            Every system has limitations, David.

            It is however illuminating to notice how the data from systems which favour high number of uncorroborated vaccine reaction reports (like VAERS) are cherished as the unadulterated truth, yet the ones which are more accurate and have prospective elements built in to be more predictive (like VSD) are scorned by the antivaxers, because they do not back up their antivax propaganda.

          • Wow Brooke Dunne is right on it here, this article must have been given priority!

            I wouldn’t subscribe to your theory at all, though I do admit that some folks misuse VAERS data and that drives me crazy…anything that limits credibility in something I care deeply about makes me crazy. But as often as I see the pro-vaccine ideologues criticize VAERS and list its limitations, they always neglect to mention the very low reporting rate. They also do the same for NVICP (and I also admit that some folks who are critical of vaccine safety misuse that too).

            But when it comes to VSD, that is perhaps the most seriously abused data source. And it’s not just abused by pundits and peons like you and I, it is misused by the CDC and HHS, data is tortured and manipulated in a big way. I was at the 2002 IOM SIDS vaccine safety hearing and they presented data from various VSD studies on SIDS…they were a joke. And of course we know what happened with the first study which showed that mercury in vaccines caused autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders, but was then embargoed and suppressed.

          • Mike Stevens

            QED.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            One where only health officials can record adverse effects. when you have a system that can be abused as easily as vaers, it’s no good for scientific data

        • Bjorn Fowler

          Actually it is if they monitor those children, also who said informed consent was not given?

          All the parent needs to do is agree that information is to be used as data

          With a number as low as 1.8 million, i’d believe consent was given, otherwise why not record every child

      • Mark E. Reynolds

        So your assumption is that every VAERS entry represents a clear link of causation? Well, your problem is easily identified now. Considering that there are entries for broken limbs that occurred after inoculation, you may want to brush up on the distance between correlation and causation.

        • So your assumption is that every VAERS entry represents a clear link of causation?

          No. I worded my statements very precisely. Read what I said again.

          Considering that there are entries for broken limbs that occurred after inoculation…

          False. Only adverse events for which a link to vaccination is suspected are reported to VAERS (obviously).

          • Mark E. Reynolds

            Untrue. All coincidental events can be reported to VAERS. Feel free to search the DB, many of the results are almost as laughable as your article.

          • All events suspected to have been caused by vaccines can be reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. Such events might be coincidental. They might also in fact have been caused by the vaccine. As for your “laughable” comment, I challenge you to present an actual argument.

          • Mike Stevens

            A lot of the reports are pretty dire wrt their “causality”.
            Like this one, for example:
            http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?IDNUMBER=361121

          • Agreed.

          • ciaparker2

            You’re probably aware that not all reports made to the police are genuine. Some are malicious false reports, some are made by mentally unstable people. But does that mean that all or even most calls asking for help from the police are false? Does that mean we should just give up having a police force since all reports of violence or theft are clearly false reports?

          • Mike Stevens

            No, not all the reports are unconnected with vaccination, just most of them (as found by an independent analysis).

            There are genuine reactions to vaccines reported. But all I have done is point out that many/most are not, something that goes against the narrative read out from the antivaxer playbook

          • ciaparker2

            So an independent analyst examined all of the thousands of children reported killed by vaccines and somehow proved that it was not, as it had appeared, the vaccine which had caused their death (or permanent disability)? An independent analyst with no vested or overt interest in the medico-pharm industry? And how might they have done that?

          • Mike Stevens

            VAERS doesn’t have “thousands of children reported killed by vaccines”.
            What are you smoking?

          • ciaparker2

            We looked at 2014 VEARS data, which covers reports processed as of Dec. 14, 2014. VAERS data shows (as of Feb. 3, 2015):

            1,244 cases of people reported hospitalized
            416 cases of people reporting a disability
            122 reported deaths
            388 reported life-threatening cases

            So in one year, 2014, there were 122 deaths reported to VAERS as having been caused by vaccines. VAERS has been in existence since 1990. Statistically, that would mean that there have been 3,050 deaths reported. However, most deaths and serious reactions to vaccines are not reported to VAERS, which estimates that only between one and ten percent of such events are, which would mean that there have been as many as 305,000 DEATHS caused by vaccines in that period (including most SIDS deaths). And, of course, millions of cases of autoimmune disease and many kinds of neurological disability, including autism, now diagnosed in one in 36 American children, caused by vaccine encephalitis.

          • Mike Stevens

            Well, we are talking VAERS here, remember….?

            So if there were 3000 deaths in 25 years, that is 120 per year.
            We know there is 3% accuracy for definitive reports of vaccine links, so most of these are unlikely to be genuinely due to the vaccine (and I can cite examples if you wish, such as reports of “accidental drowning” and “vehicle accident”, and reports that are clearly utterly contrived hearsay.

            And in the last 20 years, vaccines have saved the lives of 730,000 people in the USA. That’s 36,500 lives saved each year.

            Wow! Well done vaccines!

          • ciaparker2

            Vaccines have NOT saved the lives of 730,000 people in the US in the last 20 years. Where do you get that? In the ’80s, when they only had the MMR, DPT, and polio vaccines, we did NOT have many people dying of all the diseases there are vaccines for now. There would NOT have been more than a small number dying of measles or pertussis or polio even if NO ONE had gotten the vaccine.

          • CS

            Do tell us more CIA, about how your magic water would cure them all.

          • ciaparker2

            Wisely chosen homeopathic, herbal, and vitamin therapy would cure most, without the side effects of allopathic medicine. That being said, antibiotics are valuable in the truly necessary cases, and can be miraculous in those cases. Vaccines cause every kind of autoimmune disease and a wide array of neurological diseases, including autism. When given to all (or many) people prophylactically, they cause serious disease in those who would never have experienced a severe case of the disease vaccinated against, and in them it is lose-lose. Those who do not get the vaccines maintain an intact, appropriately developing immune system for whom exposure to myriad naturally occurring pathogens educates and strengthens the immune system, allowing the development of permanent immunity from subclinical exposure, if not overt clinical disease, which is usually also beneficial in the long run.

          • Mike Stevens

            “Vaccines have NOT saved the lives of 730,000 people in the US in the last 20 years. Where do you get that? “

            http://www.livescience.com/45111-national-vaccination-effects.html
            http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/p0424-immunization-program.html

            You see, that’s the difference between you antivaxers and us pro-science, pro-fact individuals, Cia.
            We don’t lie, and we provide evidence for our claims.

          • ciaparker2

            You provided no proof. The livescience article SAID that 730,000 lives had been saved in the last twenty years by vaccines, but provided no evidence to support that claim. By 1963, measles deaths were only 450 a year, and the death rate had fallen by 95% since about 1910. It would probably have continued its free fall, until all children would have continued to get this beneficial infection, and almost none would have died of it. Almost no children died of pertussis in Sweden or Germany in the years they did not give the vaccine, so it’s hard to see how you’d get anywhere close to 730,000 in twenty years in the U.S. Again, before 1988, only DPT, MMR, and polio vaccines were given, and there were NO epidemic diseases claiming huge numbers of lives. Your second article is the one you put up a couple of months ago, and it did not give any estimate of lives saved in the past, but merely postulated how many it thought would be saved over the long lifetime of those who were children at that time: “Modeling estimated that, among children born during 1994– 2013, vaccination will prevent an estimated 322 million illnesses, 21 million hospitalizations, and 732,000 deaths over the course of their lifetimes, at a net savings of $295 billion in direct costs and $1.38 trillion in total societal costs.”

          • “We know there is 3% accuracy for definitive reports of vaccine links”.

            Stop making claims you cannot substantiate.

          • Mike Stevens

            “Stop making claims you cannot substantiate.”

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23063829
            “only 3 (3%) of the AEFI were classified as definitely causally related to vaccine received”
            Substantiated. Not that you will ever accept it, of course.

            David, your attempted interventions here are becoming somewhat embarrassing.

          • ione murphy

            I have read testimony from hundreds of parents who’s child died within hours of their immunizations, to be told by the ER physicians and their own Dr., that the child’s death was not caused by the vaccines.
            Vaccines are the leading cause of coincidences.

          • CS

            Speculation about “data” that is already speculation. It’s hilarious how you take that sort of thing is factual but all those studies explaining how wrong you are must be fatally flawed.

          • ione murphy

            Present the studies that show the flaws in Cia comment please

          • CS

            Who needs studies when little things like federal laws mandating reporting of adverse reactions already invalidate her crazy ideas?

          • CS

            This is only a useful analogy if you also call the police every time there is dew on your grass.

          • That’s your argument?

          • Mike Stevens

            VAERS may only report “a fraction of actual adverse events”, that is true, but you are ignoring 2 other salient points (or maybe you were unaware of them):

            1. Reports to VAERS are more likely to be completely recorded the more severe the vaccine reaction is. This means that the likelihood that a death from vaccines would be reported is high.

            2. Independent analysis of randomly selected VAERS reports indicates that only 3% were definitively causal in nature. In other words, “only a tiny fraction” of reported adverse events were definitely caused by the vaccine.

          • The likelihood that a death from vaccines would be reported is high? I would think not. Please provide a source for that assertion.

            As for causality, that there is merely a temporal association between the adverse event and vaccination is understood, and I’ve noted that several times already in the comments.

          • Reality022

            Yes, every doctor and healthcare worker in the world would cover up a vaccine induced death because of… “Konspiracee!!111!!!!”

            Keep trying, you’ve a long way to go to catch Alex Jones.

          • Nobody has said anything about any “conspiracy”. But nice strawman. Keep trying.

          • Be quiet Reality, the adults are having a conversation.

          • Twylaa

            But 20% were classified as probably related to the vaccine, and another 20% were classified as possibly related to the vaccine.

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23063829

            Who knows how much information these researchers had available to definitively determine causation.

          • Thanks for that resource.

          • Mike Stevens

            “Who knows how much information these researchers had available to definitively determine causation.”

            Why don’t you actually read the article, Twyla, then you’d find out.
            I have, and there was plenty.

          • You need to provide a citation for #2, so we know just what is meant by “independent analysis”. Getting anyone from the CDC to admit that ANYTHING was ever caused by a vaccine is like pulling teeth.

          • Mike Stevens

            “You need to provide a citation for #2, so we know just what is meant by “independent analysis”. “

            The analysis of VAERS was by the Boston School of Medicine. So it was not by someone from the CDC, no.
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23063829

          • Katia

            Actually, people report deaths due to auto accidents, falling in a well, homicides and suicides to VAERS. Some people just want to get some money. If the patient had received a vaccine during the allowable interval before death, they try to claim the vaccine did it.

          • How does one gain financial benefit from reporting an adverse event to VAERS?

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            This explains it. http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/01/18/how-vaccine-litigation-distorts-the-vaer/

            You might want to actually figure out what VAERS is before you write about it again. A child who chokes on a bean 319 days after vaccination did not die from a vaccine.

          • I’ve no time to read that at the moment and would like to hear you explain it. Please summarize: How does one gain financial benefit from reporting an adverse event to VAERS?

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            Long story short: when lawyers begin to file claims alleging a particular complication, the system gets flooded with reports submitted by said lawyers.

          • Why would that happen?

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            “False. Only adverse events for which a link to vaccination is suspected are reported to VAERS (obviously).”

            You have to be kidding me. This statement isn’t obvious. In fact, it’s demonstrably false.

            You clearly have not read any VAERS reports. Many of them include a line clearly stating that the death was not related to the vaccine. One report concerns a child who choked on a bean 319 days after vaccination. Another describes the death of a patient who was struck by a car while leaving his doctor’s office.

            You clearly don’t understand what VAERS does or what it’s function is in a much larger post-marketing surveillance system. This is really incredible.

          • Reality022

            It is what happens when a “political analyst” attempts to discuss a technical issue for which they have, obviously, no knowledge.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            And which they are unable to actually research, not only due to a lack of training and expertise, but because they have not found a way to read peer-reviewed journals that are behind paywalls. Seriously– that’s the most shocking thing I’ve seen here: a journalist writing on a scientific question made no attempt to access full versions of scientific papers.

          • I don’t receive any pay or funding for my work. If you want to donate the money, I’d love to access the article. Otherwise, if it is available free online somewhere, please provide the link.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            You don’t get paid for writing articles like this one? I’m confused.

            In any case, I would recommend that you find a university library and access papers there if you plan to write on scientific questions. Or find some other way to get access, because what you’re doing right now– publishing articles on a mainstream site with a substantial readership without actually doing the necessary research– is not acceptable.

          • No, I don’t get paid for writing articles like this one.

            Great, instead of just PayPal-ing me the money to access the article online, you can send me the gas money to drive to the nearest university that has the paper on file, as well as compensation for the time that would take me according to my opportunity cost.

          • If you think there is any error in fact or logic in the article, you are welcome to point it out.

          • Reality022

            Look around Jeremy. You are being eviscerated by scientists and physicians who actually have advanced degrees in the field as opposed to a high school dropout internet blogger.

            You know you’re in trouble when you get your information from the cretins – Sayer Ji and Mike Adams.

          • You are being eviscerated….

            This is not in evidence. You’ll also note, if you actually bothered to check my sources, that not once did I cite Sayer Ji or Mike Adams. You’re on notice about trolling.

          • Judith

            Pharma’s Army is out in full to put you down – you know your article is good when you get Mike Stevens, Reality, Katia etc all swarming all over your comments looking for a way to put you down – the usual disparagement, humiliation attempts. The swipe at Sayer Ji, Mike Adams…the arrogant comment about how you are being “eviscerated by scientists and physicians” when we know they are, in really no more than Pharma parrots. Your brilliant article has got their hackles..

          • swanndown

            I’m confident that thinking persons who read the article and are looking at this comment stream, will see hollow assertions complete with personal attacks for what they are– a poor substitute for a valid honestly substantiated argument. Here is a good round-up of some of the science on immunity and vaccines. The science that makes people – in the capacity of fiercely caring parents– pause before blindly following vaccine orthodoxy as spelled out by the CDC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LB-3xkeDAE. It was made by a perfectly conventional doctor in practice for over 30 years. He found himself taken aback when some patients began to refuse certain vaccines for their children. He began to research, and found some of his assumptions challenged. He made this video for other doctors.

          • I stand corrected. I’m surprised certain reports are actually included in the database. Clearly, they need to improve the system. They should start by eliminating legal immunity for vaccine manufacturers and allow claims of vaccine injury to go to court.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            Yes, VAERS would seem like a very poor system if we assumed, as so many seem to do, that it is the only component of the post-marketing surveillance system. But it isn’t. VAERS is merely the passive surveillance component. We also have the Vaccine Safety Datalink, which allows us to further investigate possible red flags raised by VAERS. Anti-vaccine types never mention the VSD because it’s harder to cherrypick misleading data from it.

            But thank you for acknowledging the error.

          • I’ll look more into the Vaccine Safety Datalink.

          • swanndown

            I can tell you one thing about it. It’s not accessible to the public or to health professionals or even to any researcher who wants to look at the data by right. The data is strictly controlled. Also, the management of the Vaccine Safety Datalink has been contracted out to a private entity, and therefore the data can not even be accessed though a FOIA process.

          • Pandemonium Parker

            The VSD is a joke – the HMO docs churn em and burn em; the 5 minutes they spend with the patient are to allow them to collect a fee for a consult before they stick em and ship em until the next “Well child” er, I mean, vaccine visit. The data from those docs is like my own vaccine-injured child’s record (she ceased breathing and turned blue after her 5 minute consult and four shots) – the doc resuscitated her and we spent five hours at the hospital (checking out with asthma so severe we had to nebulize every hour around the clock for years, and give her heavy duty steroids, “puff” her numerous times a day, pump in liquid albuterol, and feed her “allergy” meds, she was covered in eczema and vomited intermittently throughout the day for the next several years)…Her visit note is blank, but the vaccines are listed on the vaccine record at the back – who needs to document a severe adverse event that’ll give Pharma a black eye…Sadly, her older sister also ended up at the hospital after her shots – she was left with autoimmunity to her brain, chronic encephalopathy, epilepsy, global developmental delay, hypotonia, gi dysfunction and much more – her chart remains free of any note to this effect, too…

          • Judith

            The Court system is clearly failing the vaccine injured:

            “The safety net that Congress created to protect children who suffer from vaccine injury is not working as intended, a law professor charges.

            The vaccine fund has adjudicated more than 14,000 petitions for vaccine injury since its beginning in 1986. For a new paper, Engstrom analyzed nearly three decades’ worth of data concerning the program’s operation.

            For example, Congress originally established a 240-day deadline for all adjudication decisions. But in reality, the average adjudication takes over five years. “This is years longer than similar claims resolved by court judgment or trial verdict within the traditional tort system,” Engstrom says.

            Perhaps as a result, the vaccine program has heavily relied on lawyers. Early on, some hoped that procedures would be straightforward and collaborative enough to make it unnecessary to hire counsel. But Engstrom discovered that petitioners need counsel—and often highly specialized legal help—to have any chance at successfully resolving their claims.Even when children are found to be entitled to compensation, governmental lawyers have sometimes hassled petitioners over relatively piddling amounts.

            http://www.futurity.org/vaccines-children-compensation-955222/

        • Typical canard from the pro-vaccine ideologues. Yes VAERS contains some ridiculous reports, even a report submitted by a known “Skeptic” who was then called back in short order to ask whether the report could be removed.

          What everyone needs to understand is that the vast majority of VAERS reports are made either by vaccine manufacturers in the course of clinical trials, or by pediatricians. In both cases it is likely they would consider the reaction to be related to the vaccine. Only 7% of VAERS reports are submitted by parents and/or guardians.

          I believe you need to brush up on the proper use of logic.

      • Mike Stevens

        Bpatient said that “it was recently demonstrated that measles virus infection suppresses the immune system for two to three years”

        You replied: “That paper is unfortunately behind a paywall so I can’t assess it, and the abstract doesn’t provide any insight into how they arrived at their conclusion. But this effect wasn’t “demonstrated”, it was hypothesized and their findings were suggestive of it. They found a correlation, which doesn’t necessarily mean causation.”

        Perhaps, as an infectious diseases physician, you’d permit me to tell a you as a “political analyst” what the paper indicated. It was an epidemiological study indicating that deaths from infections doubled following measles infection. This corroborated the already known fact that the cell-mediated immune system takes a major hit after measles virus infection, with profound T cell lymphopenia of many months duration, and an impact lasting 2-3 years. This damage has been demonstrated in numerous clinical studies, and explains why those suffering from measles are so prone to secondary infectious complications.

        There are precious few diseases of relevance that measles “protects” against to any significant clinical degree.
        Once you tot up the direct deaths and damage from measles infection and throw in the profound impact it has on the immune system that persists for 2-3 years, any possible “benefit” from infection dwindles into insignificance.

        And yes, you did suggest otherwise in implying the pneumonia which caused her death was not due to measles.
        Go back and read your article. You stated that many other infections cause pneumonia, trying to imply that the pneumonia may have been due to any one of half a dozen causes other than measles.
        However, measles virus causes a specific type of pneumonia which is easily identifiable histopathologically, containing “giant cells” not found in other types of pneumonia.

        • Again, the study is behind a paywall so I can’t assess it. I’ve read the abstract and what media reports have to say about it, too, just as I read what the media had to say about the recent study claiming that the Hib vaccine protects against leukemia, which was nothing short of scientific fraud:

          http://www.jeremyrhammond.com/2015/05/25/does-the-hib-vaccine-really-protect-against-leukemia/

          There are precious few diseases of relevance that measles “protects” against to any significant clinical degree.

          That’s an unscientific statement, given that it hasn’t been studied well enough to know.

          You stated that many other infections cause pneumonia, trying to imply that the pneumonia may have been due to any one of half a dozen causes other than measles.

          I simply stated a fact. I also report right from the start (see the title) that her death was measles-related.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            “Again, the study is behind a paywall so I can’t assess it.”

            Wait… you seriously have the nerve to castigate other people for their journalistic failures, but you haven’t found a way to access relevant literature in peer-reviewed journals? That’s a joke, right?

          • I’m not the government. I’m neither a thief nor able to produce money out of thin air.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            Pardon? I’m not the government, but I’ve figured out how to access scientific journals from a university library. I always assumed that journalists would make some effort to actually consult relevant materials, but I guess I was wrong.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            This isn’t a journalist. It’s a guy who has a very bad case of Smartest Guy in the Room syndrome, and can’t wait to tell us all about it. To give credit where due, it’s the most attractive website of its kind, in terms of layout, links, graphics, etc. that I have ever seen.

          • Reality022

            This isn’t journalism. This is internet blogging by an anti-vaccine cultist.

          • I don’t live near a university.

          • Judith

            Any Study worth it’s salt would not be hidden behind a paywall. It would be open access.

          • Mike Stevens

            “I also report right from the start (see the title) that her death was measles-related.”
            Perhaps you should stop with the mixed messages then…
            You know, this sort of thing: “I am not against gays, but…”

            Your standards of journalism are slipping if this paraphrase is really what you think: “I thought the media reports about Hib vaccine were incorrect, so I conclude their reports about other things are incorrect too…”

          • The only “mixed messages” are in your head. The article assumes her death was measles-related, and that is that.

          • Mike. Stop. Digging.

          • Mike Stevens

            Why?
            Am I uncovering too much antivax muck for you to cope with?

          • I was referring to the hole you keep digging for yourself…

          • Mike Stevens

            I realise that is what you thought, David, but the fact that Jeremy has had to admit to some errors in his article under closer scrutiny is evidence enough for me that my digging is having a salutary effect in the right places.

          • Except for the minor detail that no one actually reads this blog.

            Jeremy Hammond owns ForeignPolicyJournal com
            http://whois.domaintools.com/foreignpolicyjournal.com

            The articles here, except for his own pieces, are from Creator’s Syndicate. Most of this stuff is just lifted from infowars and PrisonPlanet. Here’s an example, currently front page:

            No ‘Crisis in Islam’: Just Apathy of So-called ‘Historians’
            https://www.google.com/search?q=No+%E2%80%98Crisis+in+Islam%E2%80%99%3A+Just+Apathy+of+So-called+%E2%80%98Historians%E2%80%99

            Notice it was originally published at CounterPunch

            Dude’s a two-bit poseur.

          • Well, Mike read it (I assume). I read it. Looks like this article has over 640 comments already.

            Did you read it Brooke?

            My suggestion would be to actually read an article before you start commenting on it and implying that the content is somehow invalid because of the website it is on. Very common tactic from the pro-vaccine ideologues…can’t argue the substance so just attack the source. I understand this is what you are paid to do, but at the very least make a good show of it or everyone will figure out what you are up to, geez.

            Anything to say about the actual content of the article Brooke? We’ll wait while you read it.

          • I’ll remember that the next time you spout off with your “Random blog from a random blogger,” Stupid.

          • We will just take that as a “no”.

          • He admitted to no errors of any import whatsoever. From what I’ve read here, it looks like those were all made up in your head Mike. As usual. Prove me wrong.

          • Mike Stevens

            Aren’t you paying any attention to the comments?
            Wake up, David.

        • Kim

          I appreciate that at least you disclosed you’re a vaxx-pushing member of the Medical Industrial Complex.

          • Mike P

            “Perhaps, as an infectious diseases physician…”

            Well, hell! If I paid that much money for an education that turned out to be full of lies an deceit, I’d try to justify the student loan payments with delusion too!

          • Accountable

            He is actually from England, so he has no skin in this. I live here in California, “was” a life-long Democrat, have a vaccinated family, AND have been extremely vocal that SB277 is an unneeded, draconian law.

          • ione murphy

            Mike is quite proud of his status as the Head of a Infectious Disease Unit at a prestigious hospital in England (who do not have compulsory vaccines by the way) to give every second of his time, no matter how busy a man he must be, to come enlighten us ignorant Americans on the benefits of mandatory vaccines.

          • Accountable

            Is he simply a figure head? I ask, because no other practicing medical professional I know has the same enormous amount of available time to post comments on virtually every vaccine article that comes out.

          • ione murphy

            what is that expression I keep hearing constantly..oh yeah.. it’s lying liars lie a lots I believe.

          • Katia

            I work part-time, ione. I can assure you I have no time to post at work.

          • Reality022

            Accountable said, “Konspiracee!!11!!!!”

          • Bjorn Fowler

            honestly, if it were up to me, i’d make vaccines mandatory in my country

          • I regret to learn that you fancy yourself a tyrant and am glad it is not up to you.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            No, I care about public health, and am disappointed you believe a few pockets of ill-informed parents have the right to put the health of the immuno-compromised at risk.

          • Like I said, you fancy yourself a tyrant. As for being ill-informed, I would postulate that the parents choosing not to vaccinate are generally much more informed than those who do.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            I’m sorry to disappoint you but I have a degree in microbiology and immunology (Bacteria, fungi, viruses, vaccines and the immune system), I’m far from ill-informed, you’re either
            1. a liar misrepresenting information
            2. ill-informed by getting your information from the wrong places
            3. you don’t actually understand the science behind vaccines
            4. a combination of these

          • Bjorn Fowler

            how is caring about the public health tyrannical? you’re just stupid. those non-vaxxing parents are misinformed (ie believe the false information over facts)

          • How is forcing a medical procedure on others against their will not tyrannical, by definition?

            Banned for repeated violations of the terms of use of this site with regards to commenting policy.

          • Mike Stevens

            And I appreciate you have disclosed you are an antivax propagandist.

          • John Cee

            Because there’s so much money to be made as an antivax propagandist, right? She’s probably a millionaire while those poor folks in the employ of Big Pharma are just struggling to make a living.

          • Mike Stevens

            Pharma Lab tech: $30k/yr

            Mercola’s mansion:

          • John Cee

            Ah, nice one. But what you should really be showing me is Kim’s mansion. Or, if you’re going to move in that direction, let’s see the mansions of the top marketing execs at Merck.

          • Ha! Mike, you treat wage statistics just like the CDC treats morbidity and mortality statistics. Noone is claiming that the lab techs are getting rich…it’s like any other sector of our economy…it’s the owners and leadership that are getting filthy rich.

            If one of you could tell me how to make money off of expressing concerns about vaccine safety, I’m all ears.

          • Mike Stevens

            Well you could spread rumours and lies about how evil the vaccine schedule is, and for an eye watering fee offer your own schedule to parents whom you have unnecessarily worried, al la Sears.
            Or you could commit research fraud and get a $750k payoff, a la Wakefield.
            Or you could sell alternatives and supplements, al la Adams.

            I am sure that in your role as a patsy for Age of Autism you have come across many other inventive ways of milking the gullible public.

          • Dr. Mercola makes his money the honest way, via the market, by providing consumers with what they want. Unlike the pharmaceutical companies, which require government to grant them legal immunity and mandate the use of their products.

      • ciaparker2

        Katia has said many times now that natural measles depresses the immune system for years. I was aware that it did depress the immune system for longer than most diseases, but had read only that measles patients should observe a quiet recuperation period of two to three weeks after the day the rash appeared. I got measles when I was six, the way 99% of children did then. We all went back to school, and did NOT experience any problems from immune system suppression. We went right back to school, scouts, camping, choir, playing, sports, etc., with no subsequent problems. I also would like to know what their reason is for saying that measles has such a long-lasting negative effect on the immune system. I know many reasons for saying that natural measles has many long term beneficial effects on the immune system: permanent immunity, a stronger immune system, the ability to protect future infants, and protection from many diseases and even cancers in later life.

      • Bjorn Fowler

        I dislike that you use VAERS as your data, with the way it works, ANYONE can post a case on it, true or false

        http://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html

        Data Limitations and Cautions

        “A major limitation of VAERS data is that VAERS cannot determine if the adverse health event reported
        was caused by the vaccination.”

        Don’t use VAERS to compare to confirmed data, Lawyers have in the past reported autism cases to make it appear to have a link so they can make claims in court

        • It’s shortcomings notwithstanding, VAERS exists for good reason.

    • guest

      “The trained specialists who conducted the autopsy and performed the necessary tests concluded that the poor woman died from measles. ”
      Please provide link to the statement of the trained specialist.

    • Twylaa

      It’s interesting that we are being told that rubella has been eradicated due to high vaccination rates* but that measles outbreaks are occurring due to low vaccination rates. Yet, measles and rubella vaccines are only available together in the MMR, so the same people have gotten the same amount of measles and rubella vaccines at exactly the same time.

      When we have a good flu season we are told that’s because of the flu shot, even though the uptake is only about 45%. When there’s a pertussis outbreak we’re told that’s because of a low vaccine rate, even though overall the uptake is over 90%, and cases have occurred among vaccinated children at schools with 99.5% vaccine rates.

      And yes I know that rinderpest isn’t the same as rubella, but I’m reminded of how much bologna is spewed every day.

      *For example The Huffington Post Apr 29, 2015 – “Rubella was effectively eradicated from the United States around 2002, thanks to mass vaccination and public education.”

  • Todd Gardner

    Lets look at the statistics from the National Vaccine Injury Injury Compensation Program to see how often the US gov’t has paid out to people for injuring and or killing its citizens with these “life saving” vaccines http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/statisticsreport.pdf

    • Mike Stevens

      Thanks for that.
      It shows how 1530 individuals were compensated for side effects out of over 2.5 billion vaccine doses distributed.
      That is around 1 successful damage claim for every 1.64 million vaccine shots.
      And that from a “no fault” form of compensation programme too.

      That’s confirmation vaccines are pretty safe in anyone’s book.

      • The argument that since successful compensation claims are few, therefore vaccines are “pretty safe” is both meaningless and a non sequitur.

        • Mike Stevens

          When the bar for granting compensation is set pretty low, the rate of compensation at least gives a rough idea of the chances of genuine vaccine damage having occurred.

        • Reality022

          I wonder if you tell the anti-vaccine cultists that NVICP awards are “meaningless” as an indicator of the dangers of vaccines.
          They are constantly babbling about the “$3 Billion awarded to vaccine victims”.

          BTW – See Mike Stevens explanation below as to why the number of successful suits is a proxy for actual severe vaccine adverse events.

          • I didn’t say NVICP awards are meaningless.

          • Don

            Oh here we go again with Mr. Intelligence claiming people who have concerns about the safety and efficacy of vaccines are part of a cult. *rolling eyes*

      • cabcabal

        POP QUIZ: If the chance of being seriously injured by a vaccine and compensated by the government is 1 in 1.64 million, what are the chances of catching the measles and being seriously injured by the measles?

        • Michael englebert

          But the reason you have a low risk of catching the measles due to vaccines. If we go back to pre vaccine days your chances of catching the measles in your lifetime was about 90% according to some studies. And About 1 in 1000 would die. Without vaccines you;d go back to a similar rate of infection. Treatment will have improved so less people would probably die but death isnt the only measure

          • cabcabal

            Hmmm … you’re wrong. If there was a 90% infection rate pre-vaccine (which I fully believe there was … probably more like 100%), there’d be about 3.6 million cases a year. If 1 in 1,000 would die, please show me any evidence that supports your claim of some 3,600 measles-related deaths every year.

            The truth is that the mortality rate for measles is closer to 1 in 7,000. And that was with 1950s medicine … we’ve come a long way since then. So no … regardless of vaccine use, there’s no going back.

          • Michael englebert

            Well most if the scientific literature points to a death rate of about 1 in 1000, but obviously there will be variations and measles cases fluctuated wildly before the vaccines introduction. But you need to get away from just looking at death rates, even if it killed nobody it’s still worth vaccinating against

          • cabcabal

            Your link:

            “This equated to roughly 1 birth cohort (4 million people) infected with measles each year.”

            “From 1956 to 1960, an average of 450 measles-related
            deaths were reported each year …”

            That comes out to 1 in 8,888.

            But yeah, you’re totally wrong so let’s not even look at death rates. Why would that information even matter, right?

          • Michael englebert

            It also says that not all cases were reported. Of course death rates matter, but just because a disease is rarely fatal doesn’t mean that theres no need to take steps to prevent it

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            She doesn’t care if your kid is hospitalized. That’s quite clear.

          • cabcabal

            If working to prevent it weren’t such a risky proposition, I’d hardily agree.

          • Michael englebert

            Except that the risks caused prevention a far smaller than if measles were to become endemic again which it would if we stopped vaccinations

          • cabcabal

            And if that did occur, that would also be factored into my decision making process.

            But also, if “ifs” and “buts” were candy and nuts, we’d all have a merry Christmas.

          • Michael englebert
        • Mike Stevens

          Well, in a nonvaccinating country, the chance of catching measles is around 95% (one in 1.05). The chance of being seriously injured (as judged by the need for hospitalisation) is 20% (one in 5) [and is higher in the developing world.]

          So the probability of damage from measles is 1 in 5.25.
          The probability of serious reaction to the vaccine is 1 in 1.64 million.

          That is a million times more likely, or what we call 5 orders of magnitude.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            But then you get lifetime immunity, which means that you don’t get the measles! For some reason this is supposed to be a big prize. I really don’t get it.

          • It’s explained to you in the article. For one, getting it in childhood means not having to get it when you’re at greater risk of complications as an adult. For another, if you’re a woman, it means being able to protect your newborn baby through your breastmilk. It also means avoiding possible adverse reactions to the vaccine.

          • sabelmouse

            can’t say plainer than that.

          • ciaparker2

            Women also give their infants placental immunity (if they have had measles) for six to twelve months, even if they don’t breast feed.

          • CS

            The term you’re looking for is passive immunity. “placental immunity” is not a real term

          • cabcabal

            Thanks! I’ll totally keep that in mind if I move my family to Nigeria.

            In the meantime, and back to reality …

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            Yes, in the meantime you’ll continue to think only about yourself, making decisions based on the benefit you derive from your fellow citizens’ decision to vaccinate.

          • cabcabal

            Yes, my children before the children of strangers. That’s correct.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            I can’t wait to deal with these selfish little brats you’re raising when they’re all grown up.

          • cabcabal

            Trust me … they won’t bother with your type.

          • Right, because parents not choosing to put their own children at risk for the supposed benefit of other parents’ children is what causes children to grow up to be little brats.

          • cabcabal

            Right on!

          • I was vaccinated for measles. It’s not myself I’m thinking of. But, yes, I reject the notion that certain children have to be made sacrificial lambs for “the greater good”.

          • LOL! Totally.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            LOL. They have measles in Nigeria lol. It’s rare here lol because we lol have very high vaccination rates lol. I’m not going to contribute to those high rates lol. I’m just going to freeride on other people’s responsible decisions. I know that if everyone acted like me we would have substantial deaths and massive numbers of hospitalizations lol but I don’t care lol because I only think about myself.

          • Why do you assume I’ve never been vaccinated for measles? Beyond that, please refer to the article.

          • Mike Stevens

            Well, hide in the herd if you wish, but as more and more people do, one day you’ll wake up to the reality that there is no herd any more.

          • I wouldn’t be afraid of measles if I had gotten it as a kid and had permanent immunity. Thanks, vaccines, for making me vulnerable in the event of an outbreak in my adulthood when there is a greater risk of complications.

          • Reality022

            But, but, but… Maths is hard!
            No fair, you used maths and not gut instinct!!111!!!!!

  • elljan

    Thank you for posting–this conversation is long overdue.

  • ZoeyMO

    Excellent article! Articulate and lucid discussion of some of the most important points. Thank you.

  • Trulyunbelievable2020

    “The argument implies that the individual from whom the deceased caught the measles was unvaccinated, but that is pure speculation; for all we know, the person she contracted the measles virus from had been vaccinated, too.”

    This is not “pure speculation” in any sense. We know that the unvaccinated are far, far more likely to contract measles than the vaccinated. We know that outbreaks spread faster and last longer when they are able to spread through unvaccinated people. We know that our vaccination strategy is highly successful when there is high compliance: we went from hundreds of thousands of cases w year in the late 50s to a total of 37 in 2004. We know that the more people infected with measles we have, the more likely it is that they will spread the disease to an immunocompromised patient. We know that anti-vaxxers have been told that they are placing these people’s lives at risk many, many times. We know that they are either incapable of understanding this or just don’t care.

    • ciaparker2

      The provaxxers don’t care that their policies are now causing autism in one in 36 American children (U. of MInnesota 2013), while our schools and social service agencies have no idea at all how to educate children with autism, in whom the language and social center of the brain has been damaged by an over-vehement reaction of their immune system to the incursion of a vaccine, mounting an inflammatory response which exceeds what was necessary for the production of antibodies, often involves the brain, causes the swelling which we call encephalitis, and brain damage, often severe, ensues similar to what would be caused by a stroke. My daughter suffered vaccine encephalitis from the ridiculous hep-B vaccine at birth, given without permission, is low verbal, and the schools did not have ANY idea how to instruct someone like that.
      And the provaxxers do not care that American children have been getting less healthy as a group every generation, until now it’s about half who are severely damaged by vaccines, starting with asthma (one in nine, pertussis vaccine) and allergies (one in three or more, one in fifty with peanut allergy from the HIb vaccine), bowel disease (one in ten), learning disabilities (one in six), ADHD (one in ten), a seizure disorder (one in 100). Unvaxed children are MUCH healthier as a group, and have a fraction of the neurological and autoimmune disease that unvaxed children have.

      • Mike Stevens

        Again, this is a gish-gallop of speculative claims with no valid evidence base.
        Claiming vaccines cause illnesses like autism, allergies, bowel disease, seizures, peanut allergy etc (when the overwhelming scientific consensus is that vaccination causes none of these) will not help your argument, Cia.

        Neither will your anecdotal claims that you self-diagnosed your child with “vaccine encephalitis” without even bothering to take her to a doctor, and having read about similar-sounding symptoms in some book.
        As I have pointed out before, encephalitis diagnosis requires:
        1. A specialist assessment/opinion
        2. Typical clinical features of presentation and outcome
        3. Typical findings on investigation which include CSF sampling, MRI brain scans, EEG (and occasionally biopsy as well)
        Your child had none of these.

        • Twylaa

          It is not true that an “overwhelming scientific consensus is that vaccination causes none of these”. Typical citation-free assertion.

          Even the govt’s own vaccine injury table says that vaccines can cause:
          – anaphylaxis (a severe, potentially life-threatening allergic reaction),
          – anaphylactic shock,
          – brachial neuritis (inflammation causing sudden-onset shoulder and arm pain, followed by weakness and/or numbness),
          – encephalopathy (disease/injury of the brain),
          – encephalitis (inflammation in the brain),
          – chronic arthritis (inflammation of the joints),
          – thrombocytopenic purpura (am autoimmune bleeding disorder in which the immune system destroys platelets).
          http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/vaccinetable.html

          The U.S. vaccine court has compensated cases for a variety of conditions, including Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS), in which the body’s immune system attacks part of the peripheral nervous system causing paralysis.

          A study comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated dogs found that, “The vaccinated, but not the non-vaccinated, dogs in the Purdue studies developed autoantibodies to many of their own biochemicals, including fibronectin, laminin, DNA, albumin, cytochrome C, cardiolipin and collagen.”
          http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/purdue-vaccination-studies/

          Studies on aluminum adjuvants used in human vaccines show a link with autoimmunity and inflammation.
          Mechanisms of aluminum adjuvant toxicity and autoimmunity in pediatric populations.
          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22235057
          Autoimmune/inflammatory syndrome induced by adjuvants (Shoenfeld’s syndrome): clinical and immunological spectrum.
          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23557271

          This study of salmon found that, “Autoantibodies were common in vaccinated fish vs unvaccinated controls and they reacted with salmon cells/Ags in addition to their reactivity with mammalian Ags… Serum total IgM levels were also increased in vaccinated fish; however, the fold increase of autoantibodies was much more than that of total IgM. Sera from vaccinated fish immunoprecipitated ferritin and approximately 50% also reacted with other unique proteins. Thrombosis and granulomatous inflammation in liver, and immune-complex glomerulonephritis were common in vaccinated fish. Autoimmunity similar to the mouse model of adjuvant oil-induced lupus is common in vaccinated farmed Atlantic salmon. This may have a significant impact on production loss, disease of previously unknown etiology, and future strategies of vaccines and salmon farming.”

          The abstract also mentions by way of background that “in rodents, a single i.p. injection of adjuvant hydrocarbon oil induces lupus-like systemic autoimmune syndrome, characterized by autoantibodies, immune complex glomerulonephritis, and arthritis.”

          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18802084

          The abstract linked to above also says that, “The introduction of oil-adjuvanted vaccines into salmon aquaculture made large-scale production feasible by preventing infections.” So, there is a purpose for vaccines. But clearly they can cause inflammation and autoimmunity, which can cause very serious chronic health conditions. There is a risk/benefit ratio that must be assessed. This cannot be accurately assessed if the risks of diseases are exaggerated and the risks of vaccines are denied.

          As we add more and more vaccines, some for diseases which are either exceedingly rare, rarely harmful, or not communicable by casual contact, we should not dismiss as coincidental the escalating rates of neurological and immunological disorders such as those Cia mentioned in her comment above.

          And we should keep in mind the concept of “The Inverted U”.
          http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/02/too-much-of-a-good-thing.html

          • Mike Stevens

            Oh look, Cia’s antivax gish-gallop flying monkeys have arrived.

    • spec·u·la·tion ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n
      noun
      noun speculation plural noun speculations
      the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

      Yep, it’s speculation.

      • Accountable

        It is speculation, as the Clallam County Health & Human Services website shows all the measles public health alerts. Patient zero, whom they believe the victim came in contact with, was a middle aged man:
        http://www.clallam.net/hhs/PublicHealth/alerts.html

        And, for the record, the CDC has listed cases of fully vaccinated middle aged adults that have contracted measles: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5607a3.htm

        States have been mandating MMR for school admittance since the 1980’s. But a quick look at the CDC pink book shows that the fewest cases of measles has occurred since 2000. That skewers Senator Pan’s (as well as other states’ legislators) assertion that the increase in school PBE’s over the last decade has caused a dangerous increase in measles cases. The numbers actually show the opposite. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/E/reported-cases.pdf

        • Andrew Lazarus

          Perhaps you left out 2014 because it supports the CDC, with a big increase? 648 cases. Most, by the way, are not from Disney, but from an outbreak among the Amish known to have been started by an unvaccinated missionary.

          Lurkers: Do you suppose leaving out 2014 was an accident? I doubt it.

          • Accountable

            You’ll have to ask the CDC why they left out 2014 from their updated Pink Book.

            Not hard to find the information about the Amish outbreak, as there were 383 cases within that community. http://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html The Amish are allowed to live outside the modern world, so even with a nation of near 100% mandatory vaccinations, it still would not have stopped that outbreak.

            So, the remaining 265 cases is still less than what was seen during all of the 1980’s and most of the 1990’s. We really didn’t start seeing a drop in cases until after 2000, when supposedly the increase in PBE’s started.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            Most Amish vaccinate, and since this outbreak, even more so. The Amish outbreak began in 2013, so the subtraction is not quite right. Nevertheless we are looking at what, over a 100% increase?

            When you do your analysis, don’t forget to account for the introduction of a second dose, which drove incidence back down.

          • Perhaps you left out the fact that most cases during the Disney outbreak were adults because it doesn’t support your point.

          • Reality022

            What is your point?
            Andrew has been showing that contracting measles is 20 times more likely if you are unvaccinated.
            Your response is – “But look at the ages.”
            At which point those following the conversation have their eyes cross and their jaws drop since what you’ve said is completely irrelevant to the topic of unvaccinated risk -vs- vaccinated risk and number of cases.

            You really depend on irrelevant non sequiturs for your debating technique. Very impressive in a kindergarten kinda’ way.

            You don’t have a clue, do you?

          • The age of cases is relevant for the obvious reason: the media narrative is that the Disney outbreak is a consequence of parents choosing not to vaccinate their kids; yet most cases were in adults, which belies that narrative and points instead to vaccine failure.

          • Don

            Brilliant.

      • Andrew Lazarus

        It isn’t speculation that the unvaccinated are 10-50 times as likely to be sick with measles. It’s an empirical observation. It makes a lot of sense to base public health on empirical data, don’t you think?

        • cabcabal

          That’s complete crap, which is why you’re providing no evidence to back your claim up.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            No, it’s not crap, and the fact you don’t know this means that you are too ignorant on the subject to have anything worthwhile to say. Over half of the people who got measles in 2014 were not vaccinated. (I realize you would probably prefer data from a source other than the lizard shape-shifters at the US Government, but I don’t believe Mercola-dot-com collects independent statistics.) Let’s make it 50/50, which is a round-off in your favor. The other number we need is an estimate for what percentage of the population is not vaccinated. Based on California kindergarten statistics, I’ll go with 95/5, and I’ll show how to do the calculation so that if you want a different split, you can use it.

            The relative risk is (50/5)/(50/95) = 19. That is, on these numbers, the unvaccinated are 19 times as likely to get sick. And remember, I rounded down on the proportion of sick who are vaccinated. There have been outbreaks where the numbers are even more extreme.

          • cabcabal

            Okay, you’re right.

        • It makes a lot of sense to take empirical data into consideration. But to treat individuals only as statistics makes no sense at all.

        • sabelmouse

          nor is it speculation that the vaccinated are sicker overall than the unvaccinated, and not with short lived, mild infectious illnesses that strengthen their immune systems but with cancer, autoimmune disorders, allergies and other chronic conditions.

  • crd

    Jeremy, my faith in journalism has been restored! Thank you for the calm, logical dissection of a very divisive topic. So many of your colleagues have engaged in such lazy stenography, essentially lifting entire sections from the Washington State Department of Health’s original press release… apparently not the least bit interested in the pertinent details that were obviously ignored and/or obfuscated. You’ve gained a lifelong reader.

    • Thanks! I’ll be writing more on this subject when I can. Other writings on it here: http://www.jeremyrhammond.com/tag/vaccines/.

      • Accountable

        The real story here is that these government legislations, like SB277, are the beginning of something very draconian. People are incredibly naïve if they don’t believe compulsory adult vaccinations are coming…see the “multi-stakeholder industry-supported collaboration” called the National Adult Immunization Plan http://www.navp.org/.
        Its counterpart, Healthy People 2020, is pushing vaccinations for every man, woman and child, according to the CDC schedule (look up all the additional vaccinations that they want adults to get) http://www.healthypeople.gov/2020/topics-objectives/topic/immunization-and-infectious-diseases.

        SB792 is an example of the government push for adult vaccinations, even though the ACLU has been fighting for years against mandatory vaccines for employment. SB792 was introduced requiring daycare workers to be vaccinated only for influenza, pertussis, and measles. It was ammended and passed in the California Senate requiring them to have EVERY vaccination on the adult CDC list. Yes, they actually ADDED the full list in order to obtain/retain employment. Hypocritically, if you are a California Public Employee, like the legislators or Dorit Reiss, or a California Health Care worker (Title 8, Code 5199, Appendix C1), you can decline any vaccine for personal reasons.

        Medical professionals are complicit in this government over-reach, as they are refusing medical care unless patients are fully vaccinated, which is actually medical coercion. More and more pediatricians are outright refusing to see children that refuse or delay any of the CDC recommended vaccinations. And, very few people are aware that California electronic patient medical history has recently been connected to CAIR, which is the state’s database that allows inter-agency sharing of your families’ vaccination records http://www.cairweb.org. You would think it violates HIPPA, but apparently it doesn’t. Your information is put in this system, unless you are aware of it and opt out (of the sharing part only).

        What is clear is that this is profit-driven within the multi-stakeholder, industry-supported collaboration. “As growth in sales of vaccines has become higher than the traditional business all major pharmaceutical companies are eyeing the vaccine market as driver for their growth. Many mergers and acquisition have taken place in this space as consolidation has become the keyword for future growth. With companies consolidating they can focus better in the market and keep their profit margins high.” http://centerforvaccineethicsandpolicy.net/2011/03/27/world-vaccines-market-and-future-forecast/

        The most disturbing aspect is that WHO is in bed with the pharmaceutical companies and looking toward the massive profit increase in the Global Vaccine Market. It is NOT about herd immunity. This global vaccination program is all about control and money. http://who.int/influenza_vaccines_plan/resources/session_10_kaddar.pdf

        • ione murphy

          “Nurses Against Mandatory Vaccines is a non-partisan organization formed to stand against forced and mandatory vaccination policies and privacy violations in the workplace. All healthcare workers and their supporters are welcome to join us.

          NAMV is NOT anti-vaccine. We are simply against forced medical procedures. All patients, including healthcare workers, have the right to refuse medical procedures that they do not want or feel that they need. We wish to bring awareness to this.

          We believe that healthcare workers should have the right to refuse and should not be subject to forced vaccination policies, intimidation, harassment, threat of loss of job, or privacy violations in their healthcare by their employer, co-workers, or the public.” http://namv.org/

          Largest National Nurses Union Opposes Mandatory Flu Vaccination as Condition of Employment

          Nurses also call for Pharma representatives to step down from federal vaccine board and include a direct-care RN

          Hospital-based registered nurses, who are members of National Nurses United, will make a statement before the Health and Human Services National Vaccine Advisory Committee in a public forum on Tuesday in Washington, D.C. NNU, with 170,000 RN members, is the largest professional association and union of direct-care registered nurses in the United States, with more than 95 percent of the nurses working in acute-care hospitals.

          NNU RNs will speak in opposition to NVAC’s Recommendation #4, “Healthy People 2020”, which mandates that all healthcare providers receive a flu vaccination as a condition of employment. NNU joins the Occupational Safety and Health Agency, and other major healthcare unions and organizations, who say there is insufficient evidence for the federal government to promote mandatory influenza vaccination programs that might result in employment termination.
          http://www.nationalnursesunite

          American Nurses Association
          Does NOT support hospital mandation policies, and believes exemptions should be allowed:
          http://www.nursingworld.org/FunctionalMenuCategories/MediaResources/PressReleases/2010-PR/ANA-Urges-RNs-Get-Seasonal-Influenza-Vaccine.pdf

          National Nurses United
          Does not support mandatory vaccination policies in the workplace:
          http://www.nationalnursesunited.org/press/entry/largest-national-nurses-union-opposes-mandatory-flu-vaccination

          Massachusetts Nurses Association:
          http://www.massnurses.org/news-and-events/p/openItem/9087
          http://www.massnurses.org/news-and-events/p/openItem/7998

          OSHA
          Does not support vaccination mandates, and states that there is “insufficient scientific evidence” for such policies:
          http://assets.usw.org/resources/health-care-workers-council/OSHA_Position_on_Flu_Vaccine-1.pdf

          SEIU
          Does not support mandatory vaccination policies. Also states that there is insufficient evidence for healthcare workers to be forced to wear masks:
          http://www.seiu.org/images/pdfs/Info_MandatoryFluVaccinePrograms_Nov2010.pdf

          Backus Federation of Nurses
          Strongly opposed to mandatory vaccination policies:
          http://cga.ct.gov/2013/PHdata/Tmy/2013SB-01128-R000320-Brady,%20John;%20RN;%20President,%20Backus%20Federation%20of%20Nurses,%20AFL-CIO-TMY.PDF

          American Association of Physicians and Surgeons
          Opposes mandatory vaccination rules, AND mask wearing:
          http://www.aapsonline.org/index.php/site/article/colorado_influenza_letter

          Canadian Federation of Nurses Unions
          For our neighbors to the north!
          https://nursesunions.ca/sites/default/files/postition_statement_mandatory_immunization.pdf

          Association of Occupational Health Professionals in Healthcare:
          Do not support mandatory vaccination policies.
          http://www.aohp.org/aohp/portals/0/Documents/ToolsForYourWork/InfluenzaVaccinationOfHealthcareWorkers.pdf

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            I’m not anti-water. I just refuse to ingest any toxins.

          • Accountable

            Unfortunately, school children don’t have powerful unions to speak on their behalf. They don’t even qualify for religious exemptions for vaccinations afforded employees as outlined in EEOC, Title 7, Religious Accomodation.

            California ACLU was MIA and barely stood up to our government over SB277. Ironically, Rhode Island ACLU fought hard over mandatory flu vaccines for school children. Wonder who bought off Cal ACLU….

          • ione murphy

            According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, last season’s flu vaccine was less than 20% effective.
            DecisionAmount Compensated4/15/2014Flu VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS), DeathCase No. 11-553V$160,718 11/15/2013Influenza VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS), DeathCase No. 09-653V$400,000 10/28/2013Influenza VaccineDeath, Transverse MyelitisCase No. 11-322V$235,000 10/21/2013Influenza VaccineDeath, Guillaine-Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 11-144V$126,000 8/21/2013Influenza VaccineDeath; Pneumonia; Sepsis; Systemic Inflammatory ResponseCase No. 12-775V$225,000 1/16/2013Flu VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS), Transverse Myelitis, DeathCase No. 09-552V$200,000 10/18/2012Flu VaccineDeath, Guillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 10-123V$235,000 5/15/2012Flu VaccineDeath, Guillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 10-620V$125,000 3/23/2012Influenza VaccineDeath; Guillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 09-767V$100,000 1/5/2012Influenza VaccineDeath, Guillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 10-364V$350,000 11/16/2010Influenza VaccineDeathCase No. 09-707$250,000

            Date-Vaccine Name-Illness
            or Symptoms-Link to Court Decision-Amount Compensated3/11/2015Flu VaccineDemyelinating PolyneuropathyCase No. 14-379V$85,000 2/10/2015Influenza Vaccine, TDaPGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 11-760V$500,000 1/29/2015Influenza VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 13-228V$140,000 1/14/2015Influenza (Flu) VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 13-828V$75,000 1/12/2015Influenza (Flu) VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 13-802V$165,000 1/8/2015Influenza (Flu) VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 14-158V$120,000 12/19/2014Influenza VaccinePeripheral NeuropathyCase No. 13-411V$550,000 12/15/2014Influenza Vaccine, TDaPNeurological InjuryCase No. 13-1-11V$450,000 11/14/2014Influenza VaccineTransverse MyelitisCase No. 12-879V$100,000 11/12/2014Influenza (Flu) VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 13-425V$80,000 11/10/2014Influenza VaccineSensory Motor PolyneuropathyCase No. 13-110V$130,000 11/3/2014Flu VaccineShoulder InjuryCase No. 13-84V$125,000 10/31/2014Influenza VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 13-39V$140,000 10/10/2014Flu VaccineGBSCase No. 13-142V$60,000 10/7/2014Flu VaccineGuillain Barre SyndromeCase No. 12-406V$75,000 10/1/2014Influenza VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 13-110V$120,000 9/25/2014Influenza VaccineGBSCase No. 14-97V$225,000 9/23/2014Influenza VaccineBrachial PlexopathyCase No. 13-915V$45,000 9/15/2014Influenza VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS); Transverse MyelitisCase No. 14-144V$160,000 9/10/2014Influenza VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 13-429V$260,000 9/10/2014Flu VaccineGuillain Barre SyndromeCase No. 13-309V$120,000 9/9/2014Flu VaccineGuillain Barre SyndromeCase No. 12-755V$163,538 9/5/2014Influenza VaccineNeuromyelitis Optica (NMO); Transverse MyelitisCase No. 12-877V$40,0000 and $1700/month annuity8/25/2014Influenza VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 13-537V$150,000 8/21/2014Influenza VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 13-984V$170,000 8/18/2014Influenza VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 11-649V$150,000 8/13/2014Flu VaccineSIRVA- Shoulder InjuryCase No. 13-985V$110,000 8/12/2014Influenza VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 10-817V$125,000 8/7/2014Flu VaccineGuillain Barre SyndromeCase No. $100,000 8/4/2014Influenza VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 12-876V$160,000 8/4/2014Influenza VaccineGuillain Barre SyndromeCase No. 12-878V$50,000 7/23/2014Influenza VaccineGuillain-Barre SyndromeCase No. 13-178V$150,000 7/22/2014Influenza VaccineGBSCase No. 12-154V$200,000 7/11/2014Influenza VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 10-411V$165,000 7/9/2014Influenza VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 12-671V$170,000 6/27/2014Tdap, Influenza VaccinesGBSCase No. 13-273V$105,000 6/20/2014Flu VaccineGuillaine Barre Syndrome (GBS); Chronic Inflammatory Demyelinating Polyneuropathy (CIDP)Case No. 09-424V$100,000 5/28/2014Influenza Vaccine, Varicella VaccineImmune Thrombocytopenia PurpuraCase No. 10-517V$75,000 5/9/2014Flu VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 13-180V$85,000 5/2/2014Flu VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 13-540V$105,000 4/22/2014Influenza VaccineChronic Inflammatory Demyelinating Polyneuropathy (CIDP)Case No. 12-217V$60,000 4/15/2014Flu VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS), DeathCase No. 11-553V$160,718 4/9/2014Influenza VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 13-199V$150,000 4/9/2014Influenza VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 12-407V$165,360 4/8/2014Influenza VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 12-461V$135,000 4/8/2014Influenza VaccineMiller-Fischer Variant of GBSCase No. 13-342$58,000 4/7/2014Flu VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 12-535V$175,000 3/21/2014Influenza VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 09-656V$120,000 3/19/2014Influenza VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 13-741$65,0002/21/2014Trivalent Influenza VaccineGuillain Barre SyndromeCase No. 12-886V$170,000 2/20/2014Influenza VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 12-904V$250,000 1/22/2014Influenza VaccineRadial Nerve InjuryCase No. 13-224V$100,000 1/19/2014Flu VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 10-596V$150,629 1/15/2014Influenza VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 11-292V$150,000 1/15/2014Trivalent Flu VaccineGuillain Barre SyndromeCase No. 12-679V$65,000 1/9/2014Influenza VaccineGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 11-552V$500,000 1/9/2014Influenza VaccineGBSCase No. 11-552V$500,000

          • Justthefacts

            Isn’t it great that we have a system that is much better than the standard medical malpractice process that help the unfortunate victims of vaccine injury. I too are thankful for the vaccine court system.
            It’s something that have finally be done right!

          • Justthefacts

            Why do you post lies? Your first link under “Does NOT support hospital mandation policies” actual says this in the text.
            .
            “ANA believes mandatory seasonal influenza vaccination policies should only be implemented under these conditions:

            • The mandatory policy comes from the highest level of legal authority, ideally state government”, etc.
            .
            Your link says exactly the opposite of what you posted. Do you think that gish galloping long cut and paste posts will keep us from spotting your lies?

          • ione murphy

            National Nurses United-

            NNU is also calling on the pharmaceutical representatives from Pfizer and Novartis, who are members of the NVAC, to recuse themselves from any votes that take place on the issue of the mandatory flu vaccine. The companies stand to make millions of dollars from flu vaccine sales. There are no nurses currently on the NVAC board.

            “It is unfortunate that for-profit pharmaceutical companies were consulted in this matter yet the voices of the nation’s direct-care hospital RNs have gone unheard,” said NNU co-president Karen Higgins, RN. “Nurses are calling for an open process to explore the best way to protect patients and healthcare workers, not one that is driven by corporate profits.”

            AAPS, a national organization of physicians in all specialties, objects to the mandatory immunization of health care workers (HCWs).

            Fewer than half of American HCWs choose to be immunized annually against influenza. We believe that the professional judgment of these workers should be respected.

            In the age of “evidence-based medicine,” it is shocking that there is so little evidence that the influenza vaccination program is effective. Indeed, there is evidence that it may be ineffective (http://www.jpands.org/vol11no3/geier.pdf). Safety data are reported in very few studies: only five randomized studies with 2,963 observations extending only one week after the injection. In fact, the coordinator of the vaccines section of the Cochrane Collaboration called for an urgent reevaluation of the UK’s influenza vaccination program (Jefferson T, Influenza vaccination: policy versus evidence. BMJ 2006;333:912-915). In particular, the safety of many repeated similar vaccinations is not addressed. Allergic, anaphylactic, hyperimmune, and dysimmune reactions are possible.

          • Justthefacts

            And here is their official position from the news release

            ANA believes mandatory seasonal influenza vaccination policies should only be implemented under these conditions:

            • The mandatory policy comes from the highest level of legal authority, ideally state government

            • Suitable exemptions, such as for those allergic to components of the vaccine, are included

            • Discriminating against or disciplining nurses who choose not to participate is prohibited

            • The policy is part of a comprehensive infection control program that includes personal protective equipment, such as N95 respirators, to increase safety

            • Vaccinations are free and provided at convenient times and locations to foster compliance

            • The employer negotiates with worker union representatives to resolve any differences when the policy is implemented at a health care facility

            ANA’s protection of nurses’ workplace rights should not be confused with the message ANA is delivering to nurses: Get the seasonal influenza vaccination. To promote vaccination, ANA is sending a letter to its members and to affiliated specialty nursing organizations encouraging immunization for seasonal influenza.

            Noting that the seasonal influenza vaccination rate for nurses and all health care workers consistently remains below 50 percent, ANA President Daley said, “We know nurses can contract and transmit seasonal influenza. As the most trusted profession, we owe it to ourselves, our patients and the public to be vaccinated and set the example we want the nation to follow.”

            THEY SUPPORT VACCINATIONS AND MANDITORY VACCINATIONS AS DESCRIBED ABOVE.
            GISH GALLOPING WILL NOT CHANGE THIS PRESS RELEASE.

      • ciaparker2

        Jeremy,
        Most of my comments had been removed from the comment thread, and I retrieved them from my Disqus profile by clicking on “see in discussion.” Underneath each one it said “Deleted. Double comment,” posted by Trulyunbelievable 2020.” Was this done with your knowledge and permission? They have been deleting hundreds of our comments since March, without the intervention of the moderators.

        • CS

          You’re a moron. Do we really have to keep explaining how loading past instances of a comment thread means new comments won’t show up, and then loading a newer one, IE by clicking on that comment, loads them?

          How about we just ask the mods to ban you for the endless steam of baseless accusations?

          • ciaparker2

            The comment by Trulyunbelievable “Deleted. Double comment,” showed up directly underneath each of my restored comments. I checked my commenting profile when I saw that many of my comments were no longer where they had been, and I found them there.

          • CS

            Maybe you should stop reposting comments that, as described, weren’t deleted, because then those reposts get deleted and your brain explodes into more conspiracy.

          • Don

            You know when the likes of them call you nasty names, it’s actually because you’re pretty smart! ;)

        • I can’t speak for Disqus’s system, but if you had comments deleted by me, it was because they violated the terms of use of the comments section.

          • sabelmouse

            what has happened on other disqus site sis that gangs of proshills group flag and comments are automatically deleted.

          • I didn’t know that could happen with Disqus.

          • sabelmouse

            a surprise to many. it seems a stupid, stupid system. you’d think that is something a moderator would look into rather than a bod.
            i didn’t realise that that happens even when people moderate their own sites.

          • ciaparker2

            Yes, they do it routinely, texting each other to tell them what comments of ours to flag to get them deleted.

          • Don

            Jeremy should do a story on these astroturfers. It’s beyond disgusting. They are such bullies; especially Brooke. Did you see her comments to me? Alain said it right, the intimidation and bullying is beyond belief. Every single comment I made against them was removed. Then again, any article that says “anti-vaxxer” is going to have a biased mod. I will show the comments that were deleted…. Most were not at all in violation. I have some information on Brooke.

          • Mike Stevens

            You are quite correct Jeremy, – it can’t.

          • Mike Stevens

            I am afraid this is another example of Cia’s paranoia about comments.
            What happens with Disqus is that if multiple flags are registered for a comment then this will be reviewed by the moderator. Flagging comments cannot remove them from Disqus.
            Cia had a theory after talking to one man she met in a pub that Disqus could be hacked, and for a while she pursued that theory.
            The truth is rather more prosaic.

            She now has the idea that provaccine people are involved in texting each other to co-ordinate actions to flag or delete certain comments. This is utter fantasy. I for one have never contacted anyone outside of comments on these boards.

            In fact, it is Cia herself who has been attacks on provaccine comments. She is on record on Disqus as well as on Age of Autism for asking other antivaccine commenters to contact her in order to do so.

            Here is one of her earliest comments when she did so on AoA:
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            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/83eda4b9c69ab6e170358123270574653782702b4b5f2b594f516c5f2ddc04cb.jpg

  • Plumfield House

    Thank you, Mr. Hammond. Excellent article and extremely on-point. You got it exactly right, and I hope you can convince more of your fellow journalists to investigate further for themselves and report the truth as well.

  • guest

    The trolls on this site, who I recognize from following the advice of another person who post as guest are here to create distraction and confusing. I’m going to pass on the advice that was left on another article about vaccine, go over to the Science Blogs and compare the names of the comments there to the ones here. As the little girl in Poltergeist said “they’re here”. The Science Blogs run by David Gorski aka “Orac” is a astro-turf site funded for by the pharmaceutical industry and the Seed Media Group.
    Sharyl Attkison has a list of astro-turf on her site. “This astroturf movement, in my opinion, includes but is not limited to: LeftBrainRightBrain, ScienceBlogs, NeuroSkeptic, ScienceBasedMedicine, LizDitz, ScienceBasedMedicine, CrooksandLiars, RespectfulInsolence, HealthNewsReview, SkepticalRaptor, Skepticblog, Skeptics.com, Wired, BrianDeer, SethMnookin, Orac, Every Child by Two, the vaccine industry supported American Academy of Pediatrics, and the government/corporate funded American Council on Science and Health (once called “Voodoo Science, Twisted Consumerism” by the watchdog Center for Science in the Public Interest).”

    Regardless of what the trolls say, the woman had been fully vaccinated and tested protective antibody titer supposedly working–yet she became infected with measles. If there is additional information than people need to provide links to the official information. I’d also like a link to the study on measles deaths. I’m sure it’s an independent one, not a juiced up pharma/CDC/HHS/Gates foundation or any of the other vested interest groups financed one. It’s very easy to “say” a technician says she died from measles but what is on the autopsy and death certificate? Pleases provide link to that information. Also, since she was immunocompromised had she been vaccinated recently for either measles or pneumonia considering states have been pushing vaccines aggressively since the first of the year? What is the pneumonia viral strain she was infected with? Those question should be asked and answered.

    Bottom Line: The woman was vaccinated- titers indicated immunity. In the world of the current vaccine science—this was proof to her Doctors that the Vaccine was working and she was protected. Drugs suppressed her immune system , yes however-Vaccine are said to work for people who are Immune compromised. In fact according to the CDC website on Vaccines it states Immunocompromised children (I guess this applies to adults too) should take more vaccines. http://www.cdc(dot)gov/vaccines/.

    Here are some specifics:
    There are 3 recognized condition the CDC’s website states as Immunocompromised:
    -The severely immunocompromised without HIV
    -Those living with HIV
    -Those with immune deficits like spleen or kidney failure

    1: Pediatric HIV: How many kids in the US catch HIV from their mothers? The CDC says that in 2010 we had 217 children under the age of 13 diagnosed with HIV. An average of 4 kids per state got a new HIV diagnosis, and, due to early treatment, infections in children are on the decline.
    Inactivated vaccines are safe for immunocompromised people

    The CDC says that the benefits of vaccinating immunocompromised children aged 6 through 18 with both Prevnar 7 and Prevnar 13 outweigh the harm.
    The CDC goes even further to declare all inactivated vaccines safe for the immunosuppressed to use.
    Live virus vaccines are safe for immunocompromised children, too.
    Does your doctor think you’re only mildly immunosuppressed? Then the CDC gives the all-clear for the MMR.
    Ditto for the chickenpox vaccine. People with HIV can get that one, too.
    So which vaccines are off limits for kids with HIV?
    *There aren’t any vaccines on the childhood schedule that school-aged children living with asymptomatic HIV can’t get.

    2: Primary Immunodeficiency Disease: The most common genetic condition causing primary immunodeficiency disease is Selective IgA Deficiency, which is found in about 1 in 500 Caucasians, and is less common in other races. Kids with this condition tend to have allergies and asthma, which, if you know anything about vaccines, is not a medical exemption from getting them.
    Selective IgA Deficiency is genetic in only about 20% of cases, and it’s arguable that vaccines cause the other 80% of occurrences. Why do I say this? Because the autoimmune diseases associated with it are rheumatoid arthritis, systemic lupus, and immune thrombocytopenic purpura—all of which are suspected Hep B and MMR vaccine injuries.
    So which vaccines are contraindicated for kids with IgA deficiency?
    *There aren’t any vaccines on the childhood schedule that school-aged children living with the most common form of primary immunodeficiency disease can’t get.

    3. Kidney & Spleen Failure: Children with kidney and spleen failure are not excused from being vaccinated. In fact, the CDC says that these conditions may require repeat vaccination or higher doses of vaccines.
    Did you catch that? If you are immune-deficient because of kidney disease they’ll give you repeated vaccines, or high-dose vaccines. Never mind that vaccines are loaded with aluminum and the label on the newborn vitamin K shot says, “WARNING: This product contains aluminum that may be toxic. Aluminum may reach toxic levels with prolonged parenteral administration if kidney function is impaired.” That’s another blog post.
    So which vaccines are contraindicated for kids with kidney or spleen failure?
    *There aren’t any vaccines on the childhood schedule that school-aged children living with kidney or spleen failure can’t get.

    4. Pediatric Organ Transplants: The US Department of Health and Human Services says that in 2014, 1,652 children under the age of 17 received a transplanted organ in America. That comes out to about 33 children per state.
    Children are supposed to be up-to-date on all vaccines prior to organ transplant. Then, within 3 to 6 months of the surgery, they’re good to get vaccinated again with everything but the MMR-V and FluMist, although the immune response varies by vaccine. Basically, it comes down to this chart: only the severely immunocompromised are sometimes excluded from getting some of the live vaccines.
    Which vaccines are live? Kids in elementary school aren’t faced with getting the live rotavirus vaccine because they’re too old, we don’t give the live polio vaccine in this county anymore because it was paralyzing people, and we don’t give the live smallpox vaccine to anyone but our military.
    So what live vaccines can’t organ transplant kids get?
    *There are only three vaccines on the childhood schedule that school-aged children living with organ transplants can’t get: the MMR, chickenpox, and the nasal FluMist.

    5.Cancer: How many kids in the US are on chemotherapy at any time? I couldn’t find that number, but about 10,000 kids under age 15 are diagnosed with cancer each year (that’s an average of 200 per state), but not all types of cancer respond to chemotherapy. {Side thought: as tragic as that number is, the number of new cases of autism diagnosed at the rate of 1 in 68 comes to 58,000 per year, but the real rate today is not 1 in 68. It’s probably double that — the 2014 statistic is based on kids born in 2002 — which is more than 10 times the number of kids diagnosed with cancer.}
    What about vaccinating kids currently on chemotherapy? Their doctors say they’re free to get shots for everything but the MMR and chickenpox, which are given later when they’re in remission. The 7-year-old boy whose father wanted to ban the unvaccinated from his school got his first post-chemo vaccine a few weeks after his story went viral. What was the vaccine? The MMR, of course, because the polio and DTaP vaccines aren’t contraindicated for chemo. So which vaccines are contraindicated for kids currently in chemotherapy?
    *There are only three vaccines on the childhood schedule that school-aged children currently on chemotherapy can’t get: the MMR, chickenpox, and the nasal FluMist. They can resume vaccination after their chemo treatments.
    Source: CDC- http://www.cdc(dot)gov/vaccines/. You need to read the entire section because there are too many pages to list here.

    Since it has not yet been disclosed what the womans’ health issues were and what drugs she was on, most of what is being reported is speculation. There are many people diligently following the Washington State Health Dept bulletins on this matter and there have been no specific on her medical challenges.

    • Katia
      • Kim

        Uncovering the truth can get one fired. Computer forensics have already established that in fact Sharyl’s computers had been hacked numerous times and her phones were tapped.

        • Andrew Lazarus
        • Justthefacts

          Atkissons reporting and accomplishments:

          Attkisson Cheerleaded CBS’ Infamous Benghazi Hoax.
          Attkisson Hailed By Fringe Group At Conservative Conference. Attkisson was offered a journalism award at the 2012 year’s Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC)
          Attkisson Pushed Error-Ridden Report On “New Solyndras.”
          Attkisson Pushed Inaccurate Healthcare.gov Claims Based Upon “Partial” Information Leaked By House Republicans.
          Attkisson Rehashed Debunked Benghazi Myth That Obama Administration May Have Changed Benghazi Talking Points For Political Reasons.

          No bravery there, just bad reporting

          • Interesting that none of those relate whatsoever to her reporting on vaccines. Why is that?

          • Don

            Think we should post all her awards and all the wonderful things she does despite the risk to her? Noooo they will discredit her like they do everyone else that speaks out on vaccine safety.

          • Justthefacts

            Because the post I was responding to from Katia Identified Atkisson as a journalistic troll who was fired by CBS and this had nothing to do with vaccines. As a result, the response had nothing to do with vaccines. As you are pointing out, she also has no experience or history with vaccines just like most anti-vaxxers.
            All you needed to do was research the string to understand the subject but I have come to realize that expecting an anti-vaxxer to research anything is too much to ask.

          • She is a journalist. Are you saying that no journalists should ever write about vaccines? BTW, her writings actually have quite a long history with vaccines.

          • Justthefacts

            I do believe the argument was that she is a lousy journalist no matter what she is reporting on. CBS ran her off for shoddy reporting on everything, not just vaccines. She is an equal opportunity hack.

          • ione murphy

            Missthefacts says “she is a lousy journalist”

            Awards won by Sharyl Atkinson

            2015 Kenneth Y. Tomlinson Award for Outstanding Reporting
            “Courage in the Face of Power” Award, Weyrich Awards

            2014

            Pillar Human Rights Journalism Award for “Fearless Reporting in the Face of Government Retaliation.”

            2013

            Investigative Emmy Award for “Investigating Congress.”Investigative Emmy nomination for “Benghazi: Dying for Security.”

            Emmy Award nomination for “Green Energy Going Red.”

            Daytime Emmy Award as part of CBS Sunday Morning team entry for Outstanding Morning Program for “Washington Lobbying: K-Street Behind Closed Doors”

            Integrity in Journalism Award

            Brian Terry Courage in Journalism and Reporting Award

            Finalist in Gerald Loeb Business Awards for “The Business of Congress”

            2012

            Emmy Award for Outstanding Investigative Journalism for “Gunwalker: Fast and Furious.”

            RTNDA Edward R. Murrow Award for Excellence in Investigative Reporting for “Gunwalker: Fast and Furious.”

            2011

            Emmy Award Nomination for Investigations of Congress: “Follow the Money.”

            Emmy Award Nomination for Investigating Aid to Haiti earthquake victims.

            2010

            Emmy Award for Outstanding Investigative Reporting of a Business News Story for series on the Bush Administration’s Bait-and-Switch on TARP and the Bank Bailout.

            Investigative Reporter and Editors Finalist Award for “Investigating TARP.”

            Loeb finalist for Television Breaking News for “Follow the Money: Bailout Investigation.”

            2009
            Emmy Award Nomination for “Follow the Money.”

            2008
            RTNDA-Edward R. Murrow Award for Overall Excellence (CBS team award)

            2005
            RTNDA-Edward R. Murrow Award for Overall Excellence (CBS team award)

            2003
            Emmy Award Nomination for Investigating Dangers of certain prescription drugs and vaccines; and conflicts of interest in medical industry.

            2002
            Emmy Award for Outstanding Investigative Journalism for series on mismanagement at the Red Cross: “Red Cross Under Fire.”

            2001
            Emmy Award Nomination for “Firestone Tire Fiasco.”

            Civil Justice Foundation Special Commendation for Firestone Tire coverage.

          • Justthefacts

            If you care so much about her, at least get her name right. So you want a gish gallop war over Attkisson, No Problem.

            CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson has reached an agreement to resign from CBS News ahead of contract, bringing an end to months of hard-fought negotiations, sources familiar with her departure told POLITICO on Monday.

            At the same time, Attkisson’s reporting on the Obama administration, which some staffers characterized as agenda-driven, had led network executives to doubt the impartiality of her reporting. She is currently at work on a book — tentatively titled “Stonewalled: One Reporter’s Fight for Truth in Obama’s Washington” — that addresses the challenges of reporting critically on the administration.

            A right-wing hack undone: Sharyl Attkisson’s White House …

            Attkisson’s claims that she’d been hacked have always been vague and lacking much in the way of evidence. She explained that the hacking had been confirmed by an independent investigator, whose findings she refused to divulge. She released a video of the purported “hacking” that showed text being deleted from a document she was working on, leading many people to surmise that the “hack” was actually just a stuck backspace key. There was also a lot of weird, circumstantial stuff that Attkisson obsessed over, like her computer making a weird noise in the night, and a stray cable attached to her Internet service box. Attkisson herself has been inconsistent in her story, claiming at various points that she knows and doesn’t know who hacked her. All the bits of evidence she marshaled in building her case had plausible, inoffensive explanations. If there was a hack, where was the proof?

            Well, the Justice Department has been investigating that very question (at Sharyl Attkisson’s request), and they’ve arrived at an answer: There is no evidence of a hack. As reported by the Washington Post’s Erik Wemple and Media Matters (disclosure: my former employer), DOJ’s inspector general completed a forensic examination of Attkisson’s home computer and “did not find evidence of remote or unauthorized access.” Pretty much everything Attkisson identified as proof of the hacking was found to be innocuous. The stray cable she found was of the sort her Internet provider uses all the time, and “could not be used to monitor or otherwise affect the phone or internet service at her residence.” Attkisson’s video of text being deleted from a document? That “appeared to be caused by the backspace key being stuck, rather than a remote intrusion.”

          • Don

            Absolutely they do. In fact, many years before she left CBS, (she was not fired -anyone that has researched Sharyl knows why she left ,) Sharyl did a report: How Independent Are Vaccine Defenders? Dr. Paul Profit….er Offit was mentioned. Great reporting.

          • Katia

            Because she doesn’t know zip about vaccines?

          • You are so obtuse it is scary.

            She has written a lot about vaccines, for years in fact. My point was that the post was listing things that she was wrong about…I was just pointing out that none of those were about vaccines.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            She got it wrong about a lot of things. How could you trust the accuracy of her science reporting?

          • Katia

            I’ve written a lot about vaccines, too, yet you don’t think I know beans!

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            And biased…….

      • Twylaa

        Atkisson is one of the very few reporters who has reported on these issues with courage, independence, and intelligence.

        • Don

          A highly principled woman, intelligent and brave. Sharyl rocks!

      • guest

        Media Matters—seriously.

      • How typical. Nothing to say about anything that was just said, just that Atkisson should be ignored because she was mistaken about a broken backspace key.

        • Don

          Yes…the other troll Brooke has repeatedly tried to discredit Sharyl and made claims she was fired. That’s their game, to discredit and create doubt. The entire troll gang repeats the same thing….back space key thing. I wonder how many read her book. They can’t relate to people of integrity; I get it.

          • Justthefacts

            She sued the government over a broken backspace key. She can’t let go of Benghazi. She is a right wing, wing nut that didn’t get her contract renewed by CBS. It’s fair for some people to interpret that as “Fired”.

          • Don

            I’ll let this post stand as is; intelligent people will “interpret” this post accurately.

          • Justthefacts

            CBS dumped her as a matter of record. There is not a lot of interpretation to be made.

  • guest

    -Arch Intern Med. 1994 Aug 22;154(16):1815-20.
    Failure to reach the goal of measles elimination. Apparent paradox of measles infections in immunized persons. Poland GA1, Jacobson RM.
    Conclusion:
    The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons. Because of the failure rate of the vaccine and the unique transmissibility of the measles virus, the currently available measles vaccine, used in a single-dose strategy, is unlikely to completely eliminate measles. The long-term success of a two-dose strategy to eliminate measles remains to be determined. http://archinte.jamanetwork (dot) com/article.aspx?articleid=619215

    The measles vaccine has failed, he explained two years ago in a prescient paper, “The re-emergence of measles in developed countries.” In that paper, he warned that due to factors that most haven’t noticed, measles has come back to be a serious public health threat. Poland sees the need for a major rethink, after concluding that the current measles vaccine is unlikely to ever live up to the job expected of it: “outbreaks are occurring even in highly developed countries where vaccine access, public health infrastructure, and health literacy are not significant issues. This is unexpected and a worrisome harbinger — measles outbreaks are occurring where they are least expected,” he wrote in his 2012 paper, listing the “surprising numbers of cases occurring in persons who previously received one or even two documented doses of measles-containing vaccine.” During the 1989-1991 U.S. outbreaks, 20% to 40% of those affected had received one to two doses. In a 2011 outbreak in Canada, “over 50% of the 98 individuals had received two doses of measles vaccine.”
    Paper: The Re-Emergence of Measles in Developed Countries: Time to Develop the Next-Generation Measles Vaccines? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pmc/articles/PMC3905323/
    http://business.financialpost (dot) com/2014/05/01/lawrence-solomon-vaccines-cant-prevent-measles-outbreaks/

    Dr. Gregory Poland is Professor of Medicine and founder and leader of Mayo Clinic’s Vaccine Research Group. Poland is one of the world’s most admired, most advanced thinkers in the field of vaccinology.

    • Katia

      21 years ago, before full implementation of the two dose regimen. Fail!

      • Katia, speaking of fails, you ought to continue reading the “guest” comment, starting from “The measles vaccine has failed, he explained two years ago…”

        • Katia

          No, Poland didn’t say the vaccine failed, that was “guest’s” interpretation, taken from a finance, not science, article.

          • Which is beside my point. Keep reading…

          • Katia

            Beside you point, my, er, foot! You are the one who attempted to make
            the point that Poland feels the measles vaccine is a failure. Now that
            it’s been demonstrated that it’s not, your comment that he said that
            (not) is beside the point?

          • No, I did not attempt to make the point that Poland feels the measles vaccine is a failure. I was pointing out the fact that you dismissed the comment because the first study cited to support the point about vaccine failure was from 1994 while ignoring that the second study cited to support that point was from 2012.

        • Andrew Lazarus

          Since you like Dr Poland so much.

          The point is, to say the obvious, that we have an excellent vaccine, but we find ourselves in a unique situation right now. We’ve eliminated measles through indigenous transmission, but we have a small failure rate of the vaccine, and a growing sub population of people who won’t get the vaccine. The point in my editorial was that we might be able to solve all those problems by developing an even better vaccine.

          That is, if it weren’t for the antiscientific nonsense being spread, even the current vaccine would suffice.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            Anyone who thinks that Gregory Poland regards the measles vaccine as a failure is either lying through their teeth or getting their news from sites that hawk unproven supplements, snake oil cancer “cures,” and colloidal silver.

            (By the way, what’s up with anti-vaxxers and colloidal silver? I thought they were terrified of metal.)

          • Katia

            Both.

          • Shut up. Don’t ask questions. Don’t think. Just get in line and get your damn shots!

          • Reality022

            That sounds like one of the standard comebacks by the teenage Alex Jones acolytes.

          • Reality022

            Jeremy R. Hammond went to the Larry Solomon school of anti-vaccine blogging.
            It requires no understanding of the subject. It requires innumeracy and scientific illiteracy. It requires no education in anything as far as anyone can tell.
            All it requires is a willingness to misrepresent facts and spread disinformation.

            The Forbes article you cite is Poland’s attempt to explain what he really meant in his article as opposed to what Solomon dishonestly twisted it into. As you state, Poland did not mean the measles vaccine was a failure. In fact, he considers it “excellent”. His concern was its ability to achieve the WHO’s objective of global eradication of measles. As you state, he specifically cites the vaccine refusing anti-vaccinationists as a big factor in why the current vaccine may not be up to the task because, with measles R0 of ~18, it may not be effective enough to carry the additional load of a few % of anti-vaccine lunatics.

          • Yes, I’m well aware of Dr. Poland’s position on vaccines.

        • ione murphy

          Our current measles vaccines were developed for genotype A, the farther the virus mutates away from A, the weaker the vaccine will be.

          This chart of the evolution of the Measles virus from pre vaccine years till 2004 will show how many new genotypes have mutated from genotype A. Note that in 1955 is when the first measles vaccines were being developed and tested. I have not been able to find a chart yet from 2004 to present.
          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pm

          Mutations in the H, F, or M Proteins Can Facilitate Resistance of Measles Virus to Neutralizing Human Anti-MV Sera..http://www.hindawi.com/journals/av/20

          H1 genotype of measles virus was detected in outbreaks in Japan after 2000.. some D3 and H1 strains were not completely neutralized with low levels of neutralizing antibody, and maintaining high levels of measles antibodies would be required for the control measles outbreaks..http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10

          Measles viruses of genotype H1 evade recognition by vaccine-induced neutralizing antibodies targeting the linear haemagglutinin noose epitope..http://vir.sgmjournals.org/content/90

          Measles incidence rate and a phylogenetic study of contemporary genotype H1 measles strains in China: is an improved measles vaccine needed?

          Antigenic ratios testing revealed that the antigenic relatedness between wild-type measles viruses and existing vaccine strains was notably low. These data suggest that the increased incidence of measles in Jilin Province may be attributed to the antigenic drift between wild-type and vaccine strains. Our findings strengthen the recommendation of supplemental immunization with existing vaccines and also strongly suggest a need for developing new vaccines to better control measles virus outbreaks…http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21

          Measles resurgence associated with continued circulation of genotype H1 viruses in China, 2005.. A total of 124,865 cases and 55 deaths were reported from the National Notifiable Diseases Reporting System (NNDRS) in 2005, which represented a 69.05% increase compared with 2004. Over 16,000 serum samples obtained from 914 measles outbreaks and the measles IgM positive rate was 81%. 213 wild-type measles viruses were isolated from 18 of 31 provinces in China during 2005, and all of the isolates belonged to genotype H1.

          H1-associated cases and outbreaks caused the measles resurgence in China in 2005. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pm

      • guest

        Katia-a member of the troll brigade. If you have an issue with the study,
        email Dr. Poland. First present your credential such as your PHD or MD.
        Educational background will suffice and also your employment record. Other than
        your trolling and being a minion for David Gorski. Also, the people that
        upticked you are the same ones that upticked you on the last article I saw your
        name on. In fact, you guys have this mutual uptick society going on. People
        should pay attention to that. It speaks volumes.

        21 years ago, before
        full implementation of the two dose regimen.
        So what? A second dose is also
        an abject failure. Don’t have a cow over the dates like you have before. Measles
        vaccine failure has been happening for decades.

        “The apparent paradox is
        that as measles immunization rates rise to high
        levels in a population,
        measles becomes a disease of immunized persons.” Dr. Gregory Poland: Arch Intern
        Med. 1994 Aug 22

        Here’s some examples: All outbreaks after 1994-your 21
        year window after the implementation of the two (2) shot recommendation.

        -Study titled, “Outbreak of Measles Among Persons With Prior Evidence of
        Immunity, New York City, 2011,” http://cid.oxfordjournals (dot)
        org/content/58/9/1205.long
        the groundbreaking study acknowledged that,
        “Measles may occur in vaccinated individuals, but secondary transmission from
        such individuals has not been documented. Sciencemag (dot) org article from
        April 2014 titled

        “Measles Outbreak Traced to Fully Vaccinated Patient
        for First Time.”
        Specifics: In order to find out if measles vaccine compliant
        individuals are capable of being infected and transmitting the infection to
        others, they evaluated suspected cases and contacts exposed during a 2011
        measles outbreak in NYC. They focused on one patient who had received two doses
        of measles-containing vaccine and found that,

        “Of 88 contacts, four
        secondary cases were confirmed that had either two doses of measles-containing
        vaccine or a past positive measles IgG antibody. All cases had laboratory
        confirmation of measles infection, clinical symptoms consistent with measles,
        and high avidity IgG antibody characteristic of a secondary immune response.

        Conclusion:
        “This is a report of measles transmission from a twice
        vaccinated individual. The clinical presentation and laboratory data of the
        index were typical of measles in a naïve individual. Secondary cases had robust
        anamnestic antibody responses. No tertiary cases occurred despite numerous
        contacts. This outbreak underscores the need for thorough epidemiologic and
        laboratory investigation of suspected measles cases regardless of vaccination
        status.”

        Did you follow that? A twice-vaccinated individual, from a NYC
        measles outbreak, was found to have transmitted measles to four of her contacts,
        two of which themselves had received two doses of MMR vaccine and had prior
        presumably protective measles IgG antibody results.

        –PLoS study:
        “Difficulties in eliminating measles and controlling rubella and mumps: a
        cross-sectional study of a first measles and rubella vaccination and a second
        measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination. China has one of the most vaccination
        compliant populations in the world. In fact, measles vaccine is mandatory. So
        why have they had over 700 measles outbreaks from 2009 and 2012 alone? “The
        reported coverage of the measles-rubella (MR) or measles-mumps-rubella (MMR)
        vaccine is greater than 99.0% in Zhejiang province. However, the incidence of
        measles, mumps, and rubella remains high.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot)
        gov/pmc/articles/PMC3930734/

        -Vaccine Failure – Two Fully Vaccinated
        Doctors Get Measles (2009) A measles outbreak in 2009 exposed and infected two
        physicians, both of whom had been fully vaccinated with two doses of the MMR
        vaccine. These physicians were suspected of having been infected by treating
        patients diagnosed with measles. [5] http://jid.oxfordjournals (dot)
        org/content/204/suppl_1/S559.full.pdf+html.

        -Virus Res. 2015 Jan
        22;196:122-7. doi: 10.1016/j.virusres.2014.11.015. Epub 2014 Nov 20. Measles
        virus genetic evolution throughout an imported epidemic outbreak in a highly
        vaccinated population. We studied the natural genetic variability of genotype
        B3.1 in a population with 95% vaccine coverage throughout an imported six month
        measles outbreak.
        -Major Measles Epidemic in Quebec Despite 99% Vaccination
        Coverage
        Posted by vaccinesme on Sunday, January, 25 2009 and filed under
        Articles
        Key topics: Measles Outbreak • Vaccine Failure
        A measles outbreak
        in a population with 99.0% vaccination coverage. The authors state, “Incomplete
        vaccination coverage is not a valid explanation for the Quebec City measles
        outbreak.”
        Boulianne N, De Serres G, Duval B, Joly JR, Meyer F, Déry P, Alary
        M, Le Hénaff D, Thériault N. Département de santé communautaire, Centre
        Hospitalier de l’Université Laval. [Major measles epidemic in the region of
        Quebec despite a 99% vaccine coverage] [Article in French]. Can J Public health.
        1991 May-Jun;82(3):189-90
        -Measles Epidemic in Cape Town With 91% Vaccination
        Coverage
        Posted by vaccinesme on Sunday, January, 25 2009 and filed under
        Articles
        Key topics: Measles Outbreak • Vaccine Failure
        In this Cape Town
        outbreak study, the authors state, “The epidemiology of measles in Cape Town has
        thus changed as evinced in this epidemic, with an increase in the number of
        cases occurring in older, previously vaccinated children. The possible reasons
        for this include both primary and secondary vaccine failure”.
        Coetzee N,
        Hussey GD, Visser G, Barron P, Keen A.Department of Community health, University
        of Cape Town. The 1992 measles epidemic in Cape Town–a changing epidemiological
        pattern. S Afr Med J. 1994 Mar;84(3):145-9.

        -An Explosive Point-Source
        measles outbreak In A Highly Vaccinated Population Modes Of Transmission And
        Risk Factors For Disease. Am J Epidemiol 1989;129:173-82. Measles Outbreak in
        99.7% Vaccinated Population. Robert T. Chen (1), Gary M. Goldbaum (2), Steven G.
        F. Wassilak (1), Lauri E. Markowitz (1) And Walter A. Orenstein (1).

        -The largest measles epidemic in North America in the last decade,
        occurred in 2011 in Quebec, Canada, where rates of 1- and 2-dose vaccine
        coverage among children 3 years of age were 95%-97% and 90%, respectively, with
        3%-5% unvaccinated.”
        “Among adolescents, 22% had received 2 vaccine doses.
        Outbreak investigation showed this proportion to have been an underestimate;
        active case finding identified 130% more cases among 2-dose
        recipients.”
        Largest measles epidemic in North America in a decade–Quebec,
        Canada, 2011: contribution of susceptibility, serendipity, and superspreading
        events.
        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih(dot)gov/pubmed/23264672.

        This is just
        a drop in the bucket of outbreaks of Measles in highly vaccinated populations.
        Pubmed has abstracts that lead to journal articles posted over the decades.

        Child/Adults can also be infected by the Measles vaccine: Here are a few
        posting from since the beginning of the year. NOTE: If a child has a Measles
        vaccine and develops Measles within the 28 days window, a Doctor will not
        diagnosis it as Measles-even when the labs return positive for Measles. They
        will diagnosis it as NOS-Not Otherwise Specified.
        I have two MD’s and several
        nurses in my family and they all confirm that this code is used. Now, you have
        no way of confirming this but if you check with your handler he/she can probably
        find this info for you.

        An Unexpected Side Effect of My Daughter’s
        Measles Vaccine
        kveller(dot)com/an-unexpected-side-effect-of-my-daughters-measles-vaccine/
        -My
        Sons’ Vaccine-Related
        Measles:
        vaccinationinformationnetwork(dot)com/my-sons-vaccine-related-measles/
        -Genotype
        Testing Showed Baltimore Baby’s Symptoms Were A Reaction To The MMR, Health
        Officials Relieved.
        coninquisitr(dot)com/1801210/genotype-baltimore-mmr/
        -https://www.facebook(dot)com/photo.php?fbid=10205874067907027&set=p.10205874067907027&type=1&theater

  • Katia

    ALL the possible adverse reactions to the vaccine are also possible adverse reactions to the diseases, measles, mumps and rubella, with the possible exception of anaphylaxis.

    Politicians should stay out of health care.

    • Perhaps you need more up to date information, Mr. Hammond.

      If the Merck MMRII product insert on the FDA.gov website is out of date, you ought to alert the FDA!

      http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM123789.pdf

      The Vatican has no problem with the MMR.

      You say and then provide the very same source I cited for this statement in the article: ‘This has raised some concern over “ethical problems” at the Vatican; specifically about “cooperation in evil” and the “unjust” practice of forcing parents “to act against their conscience”.’

      Politicians should stay out of health care.

      I completely agree. Nice to know you oppose mandated vaccinations.

      • Katia

        1. ACIP is the final authority on this matter.
        2. Catholics are free to take the MMR vaccine.
        3. I suggest you quit spreading disinformation about vaccines. It’s obvious you have no health background.
        4. Anything more to say about this “shedding” nonsense?

        • ciaparker2

          Jeremy,
          A couple of weeks ago the sh— were given an order to start using the words “lie” and “liar” in every one of their responses to us. They all started doing it at the same time. I told Katia, Mike, and another one that if they called me a liar one more time, I was flagging it, but it doesn’t seem to have slowed them down. I don’t know what the best way to approach their new technique is. I guess the idea is that if the reader sees it enough times from enough apparently different sources, he’ll start to believe it?

          • Accountable

            It is not the most professional response. It certainly does make them sound like 6 year olds. LOL! I’m glad my kids have outgrown that phase.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            I was at the meeting of the Pharma trolls a few weeks ago. We received our checks (2.8 cents for every tweet and 32 cents for a comment on a message board like this) and our schedule of planned chemtrail deployments as usual, but we were not given any specific instructions to call you liars.

        • 1) Why do you persist as though the information I said is from the Merck MMRII product insert isn’t. Here it is again, so you can go verify that everything I said about it is true:

          http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM123789.pdf

          2) Also no sense denying the accuracy of my statement: ‘This has raised some concern over “ethical problems” at the Vatican; specifically about “cooperation in evil” and the “unjust” practice of forcing parents “to act against their conscience”.’

          3) You accuse me of “disinformation”, yet haven’t managed to point to a single example of anything I wrote that isn’t accurate.

          4) Is there something more about the fact that individuals who receive live virus vaccines can potentially shed the virus that you would like me to say?

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            “4) Is there something more about the fact that individuals who receive
            live virus vaccines can potentially shed the virus that you would like
            me to say?”

            Yes. If you are discussing measles specifically, you should probably mention that infection through shedding is at best a theoretical possibility and that clear evidence demonstrates that the vaccine does not present a meaningful risk of contagion.

          • No, that individuals who receive live virus vaccines can shed the virus is not “at best a theoretical possibility”. It is a known problem. Take “Vaccine
            Derived Poloviruses” (VDPV), for example.

            http://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1000412

            http://jvi.asm.org/content/79/2/1062

            Or measles, from the sources I linked to (if you had bothered to check first…):

            In the midst of a local measles outbreak, a recently immunized child was investigated for a new-onset measles-type rash. Nucleic acid testing identified that a vaccine-type measles virus was being shed in the urine.

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3381670/

            We demonstrated excretion of the Schwarz measles vaccine virus in a child with a vaccine-associated febrile rash illness in urine and in pharyngeal excretions. Virus excretion in vaccinees has been reported before [8-10], but to our knowledge, this is documented for the first time for the Schwarz vaccine strain.

            http://www.eurosurveillance.org/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleId=19652

          • Katia

            1.My quote about egg allergy is directly from your link. Perhaps you don’t understand what it’s saying. That’s the most likely explanation for your disagreement.

            2. The Vatican approves of the use of the MMR as being for the greater good.

            3. Hell, you wrote that kids with egg allergy shouldn’t get the MMR. That’s flat out wrong.

            4. The shedding issue was just explained above. I shouldn’t have to go through it again, but I probably will, because you seem unlikely to admit you don’t know what you’re talking about.

          • 1. What I wrote about the Merck product insert is true.

            2. What I wrote about the use of aborted fetuses raising ethical concerns at the Vatican is true.

            3. See point #1. I didn’t say anything in that regard. Merck did, in its product insert.

            4. See my comment here about shedding:

            http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2015/07/05/a-measles-death-vaccines-and-the-medias-failure-to-inform/#comment-2125828687

    • cabcabal
      • Katia

        You should know by now shedding is a crock of sh*t! I addressed this already in this thread.

        • cabcabal

          Tell that to the FDA.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            In 2004 there were over 10 million doses of the MMR given. If shedding presented a real risk of infection, then we would expect these 10 million recipients to infect a substantial number of infants, immunocompromised individuals, and roughly 3% of the population that is vaccinated but not immune.

            Did that happen? No, it did not happen. There were 37 cases, none of which, to my knowledge, was attributed to “shedding.” Stop making up fanciful theories.

          • cabcabal

            So your logic goes like this … the MMR doesn’t show strong evidence of shedding, so therefore shedding must not occur with any vaccine. Does that sound about right?

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            I thought that we were discussing the MMR. Of course shedding is a realistic risk in other diseases.

          • cabcabal

            If you look at my link, you’re see that the FDA is reporting on the pertussis vaccine.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            My mistake.

          • From the sources cited in the article:

            In the midst of a local measles outbreak, a recently immunized child was investigated for a new-onset measles-type rash. Nucleic acid testing identified that a vaccine-type measles virus was being shed in the urine.

            We demonstrated excretion of the Schwarz measles vaccine virus in a child with a vaccine-associated febrile rash illness in urine and in pharyngeal excretions. Virus excretion in vaccinees has been reported before [8-10], but to our knowledge, this is documented for the first time for the Schwarz vaccine strain.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            So what? I was clearly referring to the contagious spread of measles through “vaccine shedding.” That’s why anti-vaxxers discuss shedding. They’re sick of (accurately) being called selfish, so they invent this idea that people who give their kids an MMR are placing unvaxxed kids at risk through “shedding.” It’s nonsense, though.

          • It’s a possibility.

          • Reality022

            You really don’t know what your are talking about, nor can you understand what you read.

            Shedding small quantities of virus particle such that there is a need for sophisticated rt-PCR methods to detect hardly qualifies as a possibility to transmit and cause and outbreak.

            Learn something would you?

            In the 47 years and nearly billion doses the measles component of the MMR has never transmitted to another and caused disease.
            Never.

            There is 1 reported case of measles vaccine virus transmitting to another unvaccinated person. That involved the Schwartz vaccine measles strain which we stopped using in 1968 when we changed to the current Ender-Edmonston strain.

            A review of the science and discussion of the various vaccines:
            researchgate(dot)net/publication/6311374_Risk_of_transmission_associated_with_live_attenuated_vaccines_given_to_healthy_persons_caring_for_or_residing_with_an_immunocompromised_patient

            Risk of transmission associated with live attenuated vaccines given to healthy persons caring for or residing with an immunocompromised patient.
            Mini Kamboj, Kent A Sepkowitz
            Infection Control and Hospital Epidemiology 07/2007; 28(6):702-7. DOI:10.1086/517952

            “Results: A review of the medical literature revealed no major risk of transmission associated with any live attenuated vaccine.”

            Note what they found – See the text and the Table:
            – Vaccinia (smallpox vaccine) – Does transmit rarely. No big surprise.
            – OPV – does transmit. No big surprise. It has long been known. We do not use the OPV, we use the IPV
            – Varicella – Transmission to Immunocompetent hosts: Has only happen on 4 occasions. All 4 were uncomplicated.
            – Measles – Transmission to Immunocompetent hosts: “A single case of apparent transmission involving an older, now discontinued vaccine strain (the Schwartz strain) was described in an 8-month-old girl who came into contact with her recently vaccinated 4-year-old brother.” As I stated above.
            – Mumps, Rubella – No transmission
            Therefore, the MMR is safe even around the immunocompromised, as is the Varicella.
            – Influenza – 22 possible transmissions in 2.5 Million LAIV vaccinees. The current ACIP recommendation is to vaccinate. See next –

            ncbi(dot)nlm(dot)nih(dot)gov/pubmed/18662737
            Shedding and immunogenicity of live attenuated influenza vaccine virus in subjects 5-49 years of age.
            “Shedding occurred on days 1-11 postvaccination. Shedding incidence peaked on day 2, and maximum observed titers were highest on days 2-3 (<5, <4, and <3 log(10)TCID(50)/mL, respectively, by age group). Despite positive cultures, all titers were <1 log(10)TCID(50)/mL after days 10, 6, and 6, respectively, by age group.
            Study findings support the current recommendation of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices that LAIV recipients should only avoid contact with severely immunosuppressed persons (e.g., hematopoietic stem cell transplant recipients) for 7 days after vaccination.
            Shedding decreased to virtually imperceptible titers by day 11 leading to the conclusion that avoidance of the most immunocompromised (nonexistent immune system being rebuilt with stem cells) should be from day 1 through day 7 at which point titers are vanishingly low.”

            For the immunosuppressed, the current ACIP recommendation is to vaccinate caregivers with LAIV except when dealing with a “bubble-boy” type of patient (in that case use the injectable, killed virus vaccine).

            There is no “shedding” problem with the current children’s vaccination schedule. It just doesn’t happen except in the fevered imaginations of the anti-vaccine liars.

          • Please refer to the article again, where I explain how attenuated viruses can revert to virulent form or recombine. Please also see my comment here about live viruses and shedding here:

            http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2015/07/05/a-measles-death-vaccines-and-the-medias-failure-to-inform/#comment-2125828687

        • cabcabal

          By the way, all you did was provide a link that said shedding occurs, but is rare. Maybe you didn’t even read your own link though.

      • Pertussis is a bacteria while measles is a virus, but, yes, it further illustrates the point.

    • Judith

      How and why would putting egg protein in vaccines NOT cause allergies in susceptible children?

      In 1967, the flu vaccine contained 7.4 mcg/ml of egg proteins:

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pm

      In 2009, as much as 38.3 mcg/ml of egg proteins:

      http://www.jacionline.org/arti

  • eleni_aus

    Jeremy, you are a very bright young man – but there is the risk of brain injury (in earlier years before vaccination was more popularised than it now is, there would be in any special education unit for the intellectually disabled a number of students who had been affected adversely by catching ‘natural’ measles; and yes death can occur – and not due to poor parental care while the immune system is being ‘educated’ (which is what some seem to assume). Here is Roald Dahl’s account of this daughter’s illness -measles – and subsequent death .thhttp://www.ovg.ox.ac.uk/blogs/ojohn/how-dangerous-measles

    • I’m aware of the possible complications from measles. Indeed, I note that the risk of brain injury is one of them in the article. As you assume I’m unaware of that, it is evident you didn’t actually read the whole article.

    • Twylaa

      Yes, rare complications from measles can occur. But these days we hear a lot of exaggeration of the frequency of those complications. I grew up before vaccines for measles existed. My siblings, friends, classmates, neighbors, and I all came down with the measles. We were all fine. No lasting sequelae except for lifelong immunity.

      There was a school for the mentally handicapped in our town. People who worked there for many years said that the main diagnoses used to be cerebral palsy and Downs syndrome. Autism was extremely rare. No students with intellectual disability due to wild measles cases. Now there is a huge percentage with autism. The increase in autism is very real.

      When my friends and I went off to college we did not receive any booster shots, except for tetanus every ten years. We had lifelong immunity to measles, mumps, and chicken pox. There was no flu shot, but we did not worry about flu. Flu would mean a few days in bed with discomfort, what a drag, but no big deal, and that’s how you build immunity.

      In 1918 a terrible flu epidemic took a lot of lives. That was almost 100 years ago. Many of the lives lost were due to secondary bacterial infections before antibiotics existed. Yet this is being used as a club to beat people into submitting to annual flu shots. It’s been about ten years since I got a flu shot, and I haven’t come down with the flu, even though flu shot uptake is less than 50% so you can’t say I’m protected by vaccine “herd immunity”, unless you think that under 50% is enough, in which case why is it a vaccine-deficiency emergency for over 90% of children to be fully vaccinated?

      Vaccines have potential benefits and potential risks. I’m not against vaccinating. But I do believe we must have the right to make choices, and unbiased information. Vaccine problems need to be openly addressed, not hushed up. We are grownups. Our govt must give us solid information and allow us to make medical decisions for ourselves and our children.

      We are constantly deluged with slanted propaganda. We are not in the midst of a terrible deadly epidemic necessitating forced vaccination.

      • Trulyunbelievable2020

        ” But these days we hear a lot of exaggeration of the frequency of those
        complications. I grew up before vaccines for measles existed. My
        siblings, friends, classmates, neighbors, and I all came down with the
        measles. We were all fine.”

        Gee, should I give more weight to claims based on your observations of the people you know or the actual data, which shows that measles killed 450 people a year and caused 48,000 hospitalizations? This is a really tough one…

        • cabcabal

          Pollution from automobiles kills 58,000 every year here in the U.S. These are also avoidable deaths, so better do the right thing and park your car.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            I wonder if we derive some benefit from automobiles and industrial processes? I’m pretty sure we do.

            What benefit do we derive from getting the measles? Eliminating the chance that we will get the measles again?

            If you think it’s a great thing to get all of these diseases, move to an island. Stay far, far away from the vast, vast majority of us who aren’t out of our gd minds.

          • cabcabal

            The point is that we derive a benefit from avoiding vaccines. That is we don’t need to face the significant risks posed by them.

      • White_and_Nerdy

        How typical Twlya,

        Again all you have are arguments by assertion.

        In modern USA complications from measles are not rare.
        http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00001999.htm

        More than 20% of cases required hospitalization…so you just don’t post the facts…..

        And autism was not extremely rare when you were growing up. There is literally
        decades of epidemiological data that shows the true rate of autism is pretty
        much constant. You just ignore the facts no matter how many times they are provided.

        Just par for you.

        W&N

  • Yvette Ross

    Why does no one get that vaccination goes against the Red Queen hypothesis of evolution? Even if vaccines do create the antibodies they should, and those antibodies are able to fight off the disease, and the vaccines are safe despite the individually proven toxins in them (but if they are in vaccines it’s somehow magically different…), it’s a short term gain, setting us up for a long term loss. Going against the red queen is insanity! And how on Earth is vaccination meant to eliminate Whooping Cough – a BACTERIA? Even antibiotic use (that can kill bacteria) doesn’t eliminate it from existence, it will eventually mutate it (because it’s red queen hasn’t been compromised) and it becomes a superbug! How are TH2 antibodies (the latter stage of the human immune system) meant to do that? Oh, right, but I’m the one that is anti-science for asking these questions…!

    • it’s a short term gain, setting us up for a long term loss

      Indeed.

      • White_and_Nerdy

        Thanks Mr. Hammond for the helpful comment.

        This is a testable claim. You have every single healcare company/organization/system
        in the world.

        Which ones of them have found vaccines to be a long-term loss? Right—that would be
        zero….

        W&N

        • Gosh, since Big Pharma, the insurance industry, and government agencies all push vaccination, that must prove that there are no negative long-term unintended consequences of vaccines….

        • sabelmouse

          big logic fail!

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Yes your POV requires you to avoid logic, knowledge and understanding.

            PS—thanks again for the posting at Alternet where you proved that you didn’t care that anti-vaccs fabricate “vaccine reactions”…even in their own children.

            That was so very, very helpful of you.

            Cheers,

            W&N

          • sabelmouse

            dear, you don’t know the meaning of the word. in all the tears i’ve known you, starting at the hupo, never one time have you demonstrated the ability to logic.

          • transportjohnny

            Nerdy, I will ask some questions. 1) Have you ever had a child that had an adverse reaction to vaccines??? Or any family member?? 2) Have you ever sat down with someone that did and discuss their story with them??? 3) Can a live virus contracted say by a sneeze, cough or direct contact affect someone very badly??? 4) What about a weaker virus in an immune compromised person?? Say someone caught Strep and EBV at the same time then was given a vaccine???

          • White_and_Nerdy

            No surprise that you were unable or unwilling to follow the logic.

            W&N

        • That is a “testable claim”. Let’s see…

          The term “herd immunity” actually has nothing to do with vaccines, it referred to the natural immunity a population has built up through exposure to a particular disease. The use of vaccines has completely eroded this herd immunity, providing in its place a short-term and waning immunity which must be boosted by the use of more and more vaccines. We are now on a vaccine treadmill which we cannot get off. Pertussis vaccine used to be contraindicated for anyone over 7 years of age due to safety concerns, now we are supposed to get a tdap booster throughout our adult lives, meaning more risk. One of my best friends suffered a serious vaccine reaction to tdap and is now unable to provide for his family. That is a loss.

          We know that use of vaccines has led to a marked decrease in the transfer of protective antibodies from mothers to their offspring. That is a loss.

          MMR : It has been shown that vaccination against measles in a developing country leads directly to a significant increase in atopy. That is a loss.

          Varicella : Use of this vaccine has led directly to the epidemic of shingles in teens and adults, we use to see this only in older adults. We also know that once the use of this vaccine was initiated, rates of varicella in teens and adults increased significantly due to the vaccine’s waning immunity, and the disease is much more dangerous in these age groups.

          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22659447

          DTaP/tdap/… : We now know that this vaccine creates asymptomatic carriers of pertussis who then infect others…this is one of the primary drivers of current pertussis outbreaks throughout the country, often occurring in very highly vaccinated and even fully vaccinated populations.

          FDA study helps provide an understanding of rising rates of whooping cough
          http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm376937.htm

          Asymptomatic transmission and the resurgence of Bordetella pertussis (June 2015)
          http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/13/146

          Polio : Contamination with cancer-causing SV40 virus for years, and recent studies are finding SV40 in a very high percentage of various cancers, all of which have increased significantly since the 1960’s when this contamination occurred. It is also very likely that the first transmission of chimpanzee SIV to humans, where it then recombined and mutated into HIV and caused the first AIDS epidemic with its origins in the Congo, was from an early experimental oral polio vaccine which was amplified using chimpanzee kidneys.

          There is a terrific book on SV40 called “The Virus and the Vaccine” which I highly recommend to anyone, it’s a fascinating read and you will never again think of the polio vaccine as the Poster Child of vaccine success again.

          http://www.aidsorigins.com/origins-aids-pandemic
          http://www.aidsorigins.com/view-origins-aids-documentary

          Africa : We know that many diseases, including Hepatitis B and HIV, were spread throughout the continent by the re-use of needles in mass vaccination campaigns.

          • The use of vaccines has completely eroded this herd immunity, providing in its place a short-term and waning immunity which must be boosted by the use of more and more vaccines. We are now on a vaccine treadmill which we cannot get off.

            Well said.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            except it’s wrong, once you get vaccine immunity, you add to the herd immunity, do you even get how the concept works?

          • And once your vaccine immunity wanes, you stop adding to the herd immunity. (Did you not bother to read the article before commenting?)

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Then you get a booster shot, that’s still years in between, but again, not all vaccines need booster shots. Also, immunity from natural can wane over time as well.

            Furthermore, natural immunity requires you to get the virulent strain, which can potentially make you sick.

            Depending on what you have, the mortality can be high and some complications can be severe. Vaccines save lives. I did read your article

            1. The woman was on immuno-suppressant drugs i.e immunocompromised. The idea of vaccinating everyone is both to decrease the spread of measles (Protecting the immuno-compromised) through herd immunity and eventually eliminate it from the country and potentially globally. The woman likely caught it from an unvaccinated individual visiting the hospital, while a vaccinated, but unprotected individual is possible, the odds are unlikely.

            2. the virus in a vaccine is attenuated (Selectively breed to be benign). Therefore if a vaccinated individual sheds, it’s a benign strain that won’t make people sick. Polio vaccine virus, while it reverts, is very rare and one is more likely to get polio if not vaccinated than if they are. As such, in countries without polio, the recombinant vaccine is used, while in countries with polio the live vaccine is used because it is ultimately more effective.

            3. In the UK and Wales, measles still kill one or two people a year with an average of 5000 cases (varies a bit)
            https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-deaths-by-age-group-from-1980-to-2013-ons-data/measles-notifications-and-deaths-in-england-and-wales-1940-to-2013
            That number could be reduced to 0 if people would just vaccinate

            4. That “Natural” herd immunity never existed. You even admit in your damn article that cases remained high, HERD IMMUNITY MEANS THE DISEASE CAN’T SPREAD TO THE UNIMMUNE.
            HENCE HERD!!!!!

            5. Cell mediated immunity (what i assume you mean as the cytotoxic T cell response) requires that a cell is infected, should the antibody response fail to prevent this, that is precisely what will happen and your body will react accordingly
            You seem to think that natural exposure doesn’t happen to a vaccinated individual, but it does, they breath in the virus just like everyone else.

            6. At disneyland, the fact they were adults is irrelavent, Vaccination status of 34 of the 59 patients was known (at the time of the article i read, i do not know the final number of cases or known vaccine status)
            28 with no vaccination at all (82%)
            5 vaccinated (14%)
            1 partially vaccinated (2%)
            Are you seriously falling back on the adult excuse? The fact remains that the ones responsible for a large outbreak are the unvaccinated. THE STATS ARE RIGHT THERE

            7. The national vaccine compensation program does not mean any claims made to them are proven to be caused be vaccines, in fact scientific studies would say the opposite

            8. VAERS, regardless of reports, can be made by anyone. One person made the claim it turned him into the incredible hulk

            9. And why would you need a placebo double blind test in a vaccine safety study over a non-vaccinated and vaccinated comparison?

            I read your article, and it is BAD. It’s merely trying to twist information to make vaccines look bad, even further adding to the (wrongly placed) distrust towards them.

          • You are ignoring the concerns about the potential harm from vaccines. Your reply is premised on the assumption that they are safe. Even more shots isn’t the solution.

            As for herd immunity, again, if it wasn’t for public vaccine policy, the “herd” would have robust lifelong immunity that would protect the most vulnerable members of society in whom there are higher risks of complications.

            As for the Disney outbreak, that most cases were in adults is relevant. For one, again, the media placed the blame on parents choosing not to vaccinate their children, which narrative is belied by the fact. For another, among the 110 California patients less than half were determined to have been unvaccinated. 12% had a record of having been vaccinated. The rest had unknown or undocumented vaccination status, meaning they could very well have been vaccinated as children (which is likely, given the high rate of vaccination in the country) but simply not remember and not have the records of it.

            As for VAERS, I did not claim that reports to the system “are proven to be caused be vaccines”. Yet the government acknowledges vast under reporting, and one study found that while only 3% of reports were “definitely causally related”, another 20% were “probably” related and still another 20% “possibly” related.

            As for long-term safety studies, one can argue about what kind of epidemiological studies would be most appropriate, but the point is that there needs to be more research on this question.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            “The term “herd immunity” actually has nothing to do with vaccines, it
            referred to the natural immunity a population has built up through
            exposure to a particular disease.”

            That’s wrong, herd immunity applies to ALL immunity, by vaccine or infection. Learn some basic immunology

            The idea being that the immune individuals can’t get the disease and thus cannot spread it. This means the few cases in a population cannot easily spread as, if everyone save for a few are immune, the infected may not come in contact with the vulnerable. Add more susceptable people and suddenly the infected may spread it, and that person may spread it to someone else that may not have come into contact with other infected.

            Basically, less immune people create chains that spread disease.

            “Varicella : Use of this vaccine has led directly to the epidemic of
            shingles in teens and adults, we use to see this only in older adults.
            We also know that once the use of this vaccine was initiated, rates of
            varicella in teens and adults increased significantly due to the
            vaccine’s waning immunity, and the disease is much more dangerous in
            these age groups.”
            Also wrong, Shingles is more likely and more severe in unvaccinated individuals (Though a chance of the vaccine strain causing it is possible)

            “DTaP/tdap/… : We now know that this vaccine creates asymptomatic
            carriers of pertussis who then infect others…this is one of the
            primary drivers of current pertussis outbreaks throughout the country,
            often occurring in very highly vaccinated and even fully vaccinated
            populations.”
            This is IMPOSSIBLE as the vaccine is an INACTIVATED vaccine. There are no live pertussis in it

            “Polio : Contamination with cancer-causing SV40 virus for years, and
            recent studies are finding SV40 in a very high percentage of various
            cancerous tumors, the rates of which have increased significantly since
            the 1960’s when this contamination occurred. It is also very likely that
            the first transmission of chimpanzee SIV to humans, where it then
            recombined and mutated into HIV and caused the first AIDS epidemic in
            the Congo, was from an early experimental oral polio vaccine which was
            amplified using chimpanzee kidneys.”
            1955-1963 to be precise, this has not happened since. As for SIV it’s actually believed to have been acquired from people eating bushmeat
            Central African Hunters Exposed to Simian Immunodeficiency Virus Emerg Infect Dis. 2005 Dec; 11(12): 1928–1930. Kalish et al

            “Africa : We know that many diseases, including Hepatitis B and HIV, were
            spread throughout the continent by the re-use of needles in mass
            vaccination campaigns.”
            Shoddy practice in a country with poor healthcare, will never happen in a first world country

    • White_and_Nerdy

      Question: why do the anti-vaccs always refuse to fact-check with qualified
      scientists?

      Answer: because the scientists point out that the anti-vaccs don’t even know
      what words like toxin:

      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/toxin

      mean, much less understand the science…

      W&N

    • Bjorn Fowler

      “Why does no one get that vaccination goes against the Red Queen hypothesis of evolution? ”
      The hypothesis we must adapt to survive? We ARE adapting. We’re adapting our technology

      “Even if vaccines do create the antibodies they should, and those antibodies are able to fight off the disease”
      1. WE create the antibodies to destroy the antigens (identical to those in the disease) in the vaccine
      2. they are able to fight off disease

      ” vaccines are safe despite the individually proven toxins in them (but
      if they are in vaccines it’s somehow magically different…)”
      Not magically, the toxin in vaccines is denatured to the point where it no longer functions (a toxoid) but the amino acid sequence remains the same and our immune system can recognise it.

      “And how on Earth is vaccination meant to eliminate Whooping Cough – a BACTERIA?”
      Noone said it would. Whooping cough has quite a high mortality rate though

      ” Even antibiotic use (that can kill bacteria) doesn’t eliminate it from
      existence, it will eventually mutate it (because it’s red queen hasn’t
      been compromised) and it becomes a superbug!”
      Antibiotics don’t mutate it, they mutate randomly and sometimes by chance, one can survive the antibiotic. That said, the antibiotic resistance has a metabolic cost and will disappear from the strain should antibiotics not be present.

      “How are TH2 antibodies (the latter stage of the human immune system)
      meant to do that? Oh, right, but I’m the one that is anti-science for
      asking these questions…!”
      1. TH2 antibodies are not a thing, you’re thinking of TH2 CELLS which merely activate immune systems.
      2. disease elimination is not the sole goal of vaccination, it is to prevent disease. particularly ones with higher mortality rates.
      3. The questions don’t make you anti-science, but you do seem to have a poor grasp on the topic and I suspect you may be getting your misinformation from anti-vaxx propaganda

  • Laura Hayes

    Jeremy,

    I cannot thank you enough for this excellent and truth-revealing article of yours. I have been working for nearly 20 years now to raise awareness and educate others regarding the dangers and inefficacies of vaccines, the lack of need for them, and the vast and sinister corruption that underlie our nation’s unstudied vaccine program. It is almost nonexistent to see an article such as yours in any type of mainstream media, as mainstream media has been complicit in lying about vaccines and the harm they cause (i.e. chronic illness, permanent disability, and death), lest they bite the dirty and corrupt pharma hands that feed them.

    I was thrilled to see you cover the issue that one forever forfeits many benefits once vaccinated, such as lifetime immunity, the proper priming of the immune system to ward off future illnesses (including future cancers), and a female’s future ability to pass on true immunity to her infant via breastfeeding. Journalists should be asking, “Dear God, what have we done with all of these vaccines?”

    I will be sharing your article far and wide. I hope it will inspire others to do some true investigative journalism regarding the current vaccine holocaust against our children (I have a 21 year-old son who suffered catastrophic brain injury from his “routine” childhood vaccinations, and he is now a boy in a man’s body, dependent on others for the remainder of his life…all because of vaccinations…oh, to have a do-over), now also aimed at people of all ages…from fetus to grave. Articles like yours are needed to educate the public and stop this vaccine madness.

    Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!

    • Thanks for your comment!

      • Judith

        So appreciate this wonderful article – it takes a brave person to write the truth.

        • Don

          It takes a person of courage, integrity, and who is principled. How refreshing.

        • Thank you.

        • FsmPastapharian

          truth is apparently subjective. I didn’t know that.

          • If you think there are any factual errors in the article, you are welcome to point them out or otherwise produce an actual argument.

      • suz norkan

        your are a reel a$$ki$$er.

    • White_and_Nerdy

      Or a person could try getting their science from scientists.

      “such as lifetime immunity” fact—disease doesn’t always result in lifetime immunity. And then there is the mortality and morbidity issue.

      “the proper priming of the immune system to ward off future illnesses (including future cancers” You clearly don’t know what the word priming means. Your comment is nonsense.

      “and a female’s future ability to pass on true immunity to her infant via breastfeeding.” Mr. Hammond already posted data showing that this in incorrect.

      Bottom line: the anti-vaccs always refuse to fact-check with qualified scientists because what they claim just isn’t true.

      W&N

      • I don’t believe the claim was that disease ALWAYS produces lifetime immunity, but that it usually does. One thing is for sure, immunity from disease is much longer lasting than that from vaccination.

        The word “priming” is perfectly appropriate here, the author just didn’t want to take the 30 requisite pages to explain what this means. There has been so much research on this…such as how the reduction of the rate of measles in a developing country where the virus is endemic significantly increases the rate of atopy.

        It has been shown that “immunity” through vaccination prevents the transmission of protective antibodies from mothers to their offspring, this is not a theory it is established fact, though we understand why you are not comfortable talking about it. This is one reason these “vaccine-preventable diseases” have become more common in very young infants who are too young to be vaccinated.

        As usual you are Plethora of Pleh.

        • Justthefacts

          It would be good if you actually scrolled up the page first to see if what you are going to say is true, but expecting an anti-vaxxer to be concerned about the truth is always too much to ask.

          The quote from the article is “back then was infected with it as a child and gained lifelong immunity as a result.” That is what it said and he didn’t qualify that statement at all. The article is the list of standard inaccurate, unsupported conclusions screeded on anti-vaxx websites everywhere to the drinkers of the kool-ade. So now we have a political writer who know nothing of science and medicine repeat the screed again.
          Of course there will be errors in it. It is basically all errors.

          • The statement is a valid generalization.

          • Justthefacts

            If by “valid generalization” you mean accurate to some degree or another, yes. This type of “generalization” may seem ok to you, an experienced political writer. I just think you should be happy that the scientists and doctors who you the work that keeps us all healthy and happy don’t satisfy themselves with generalizations. The work you are criticizing with your generalizations is actually exacting, detailed, and thorough. Perhaps you should research the actual work being done by the very good people before you attack it with a one sided argument clearly generated from anti-vaxx sources.
            This was not exactly a balanced piece of work. If it had of been, you may have written with the same diligence and accuracy of the people who do the good and necessary work protecting the entire world from disease.

          • By “valid generalization” I mean precisely “valid generalization”. There may have been exceptions, but most everyone gained permanent immunity from natural infection.

        • White_and_Nerdy

          Oh dear Davey, still no improvement in the quality of your postings.

          1. “I don’t believe the claim…”

          But that is not what Laura wrote.

          2. “The word “priming” is perfectly appropriate here,…”

          Wrong again Davey. Takes just one sentence to prove her/your error.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priming_(immunology)

          For those keeping score at home you are still batting zero on understanding of science.

          3. “There has been so much research on this…such as how the reduction of the rate of measles in a developing country where the virus is endemic significantly increases the rate of atopy.’

          Correction—you are big on arguments by assertion but lack any data or reason or understanding to support your assertions.

          4. “It has been shown that “immunity” through vaccination prevents the transmission of protective antibodies from mothers to their offspring, this is not a theory it is established fact, though we understand why you are not comfortable talking about it. ‘

          I am very comfortable pointing out that this is a flat out lie.

          Fortunately Mr. Hammond posted the link to the data that proves it is a lie.

          And surprise all the data is there and there are several comments directing readers to the exact part of the Mr. Hammond’s own reference that demonstrates this is a lie, one more time you somehow fail to read the words correctly.

          http://www.ajtmh.org/content/79/5/787/T1.expansion.html

          5. “This is one reason these “vaccine-preventable diseases” have become more common in very young infants who are too young to be vaccinated.”

          Using only our kindergarten counting skills we can all see that this is a lie….which I suppose is exactly why you didn’t post any data to support you BS.

          One again you provide a great public service in demonstrating that one can’t have a middle-school education and honestly believe the anti-vacc BS.

          Please keep up the good work.

          W&N

      • Or a person could try getting their science from scientists.

        Yes, like the sources cited throughout the article, i.e., the CDC and the medical literature.

    • suz norkan

      jermey is really an a$$$h0le.. why are you thankking her?

    • ione murphy

      do you alway kss a$$? or is this a recent thing for you?

  • Twylaa

    Thank you!!

  • Thomas Johnson

    Excellent article!

    • Katia

      GAAK!

  • FACTS

    The Council of Foreign Relations Mistakenly Proves the Largest
    Outbreaks of Infectious Diseases Are Within the Most Highly Vaccinated
    Populations.

    the amount of information being suppressed should be all any honest person needs to realize that the medical establishment is “anti-science” , corrupt, and criminally negligent.. An early 2014 report released by the Council of
    Foreign Relations to identify countries with the highest rates of
    disease outbreaks, accidently revealed that the most highly vaccinated
    populations are also those with the greatest number of outbreaks for
    those same infectious diseases. This was especially the case for measles, mumps, rubella, polio and pertussis
    outbreaks. The US, Canada, the European Union, Australia and New
    Zealand, and Japan—each with the highest number of mandated vaccines—led
    the list of nations. The Office of Medical and Scientific Justice,
    which analyzed the report, concluded that the Council’s report clearly
    suggests the theory of “herd immunity” is failing or was flawed to begin
    with. Given the repeated incidences of infectious outbreaks in
    populations with 94% or more vaccine compliance, and the emergence of
    new viral strains, the concept of herd immunity should be forgotten. The
    Office offers several possibilities to explain the report: 1) vaccines
    are increasingly becoming ineffective and causing “immune dysfunction,”
    and 2) “vaccine antigen responses” may be reprogramming viruses while
    weakening the immune systems of the most vaccinated individuals.

    • Andrew Lazarus

      Just so lurkers don’t get suckered, the self-proclaimed Office of Medical and Scientific Justice is one, or at most, a few cranks. It isn’t some wing of the CFR, as you might think on hasty reading. And the CFR report doesn’t say what they say it does.

    • White_and_Nerdy

      Fact—anyone that can do middle-school math can easily see the lunacy of this posting.

      Thanks for making a mockery of the anti-vaccs.

      W&N

  • FACTS

    big pharma and CDC work very hard to avoid true comparative studies, they know very well what they show..

    Would
    you be interested in a vaccination that results in more than 5 times as
    much illness? If you take the seasonal influenza vaccination, that’s
    what you’re doing. The seasonal trivalent flu vaccine results in 5.5
    times more incidents of respiratory illness, according to a study
    published in Clinical Infectious Diseases.

    The study is particularly noteworthy because it was a double-blind
    placebo-controlled trial—and the researchers used saline solution, a
    genuinely inactive placebo, as a standin for the trivalent flu vaccine.
    Most vaccine trials utilize active placebos, which are substances that
    include ingredients used in the vaccines, making the studies
    meaningless—though this fact is almost never revealed in the writeups.

    Subjects were followed for an average of 272 days. The active
    influenza vaccine adminstered was Sanofi Pasteur’s Vaxigrip. The trial
    included children aged 6-15 years. 69 were given Vaxgrip and 46 received
    the saline placebo.

    With regard to effectiveness against influenza, the authors wrote:

    There was no statistically significant difference in the
    risk of confirmed seasonal influenza infection between recipients of TIV
    [trivalent influenza inactivated vaccine] or placebo.

    The flu vaccine provided no benefit!

    The authors tried to cover that by adding:

    TIV recipients had significantly lower risk of seasonal influenza infection based on serologic evidence.

    In other words, the authors are trying to suggest that, in spite of
    the fact that vaccine recipients suffered as much genuine influenza as
    those who’d received a placebo, they still benefited because of
    “serologic evidence”. This “serologic evidence” consists of antibodies
    produced as a result of the vaccine, which is the standard method of
    determining a vaccine’s effectiveness.

    In other words, a vaccine’s effectiveness is not determined
    by whether it prevents disease, but rather by whether it causes
    antibodies to be produced!

    But the story is even worse than this. The study also demonstrated
    that the vaccine resulted in recipients having 5.5 times more
    respiratory illness. Here’s a partial breakdown of their results: –
    See more at:
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/study-flu-vaccine-causes-5-5-times-more-respiratory-infections-a-true-vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated-study/#sthash.wEEcfctm.dpuf

    http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/study-flu-vaccine-causes-5-5-times-more-respiratory-infections-a-true-vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated-study/

    • White_and_Nerdy

      In other words, healthimpactnews business model is to separate money from folks that can’t follow the science and are too clues to get their science from actual scientists.

      Hard to believe there are actual parents like that, but there you go….

      W&N

      • Trulyunbelievable2020

        Wait… you don’t think coconut oil cures everything?

  • sarahefallon

    Fascinating article, thank you Jeremy. Particularly this: “Public vaccine policy has thus shifted the risk burden away from those in whom the disease is generally well-tolerated and onto those in whom it poses a higher risk of serious complications: adults and the most vulnerable members of society—infants.” Given that this is the place in which we find ourselves now, what should public health officials do? Stop vaccinating against measles? Or requiring it even more vociferously?

    • cabcabal

      How about leave it up to individuals and parents to decide for themselves based on accurate and unbiased information … what a novel idea.

      • Trulyunbelievable2020

        Feel free to make that decision. If you live in California, you’ll have to homeschool. There’s nothing radical at all about the idea that your kid has to obey certain rules in order to go to school.

        • cabcabal

          That’s for letting me know I’m free to make decisions about the health of my children. What a gift!

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            You’re free to make some decisions. You’re not free to make all of them. If the decisions you make affect my kid, then it becomes my business.

          • cabcabal

            Likewise.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            I should thank you for being so honest about your complete lack of concern for anyone else and your mockery of the categorical imperative. It’s rare among the disease lovers.

          • What remarkably self-defeating logic.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            I haven’t the foggiest idea of what that was supposed to mean.

          • You argued that if someone else’s decision affects your child, then it is your business. Yet at the same time you argue that cabcabal is “not free to make” decisions about whether to vaccinate his children. Which is you making a decision that affects his children. Which makes it his business. Ergo, your logic is self-defeating and cabcabal does indeed have a right to make decisions about whether to vaccinate his own children.

    • White_and_Nerdy

      “Public vaccine policy has thus shifted the risk burden away from those in whom the disease is generally well-tolerated and onto those in whom it poses a higher risk of serious complications: adults and the most vulnerable members of society—infants.”

      Except this simply isn’t true. You can easily do the math and see this for yourself.

      W&N

      • It is true. See the links, eg., on the increased risk to infants in the event of outbreaks:

        http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=9214792&fileId=S0950268813001532

        • Mike Stevens

          Yes, there is a risk in a specific population…the geographically clustered orthodox protestant communities that do not vaccinate.

          Are you really that stupid, Jeremy, that you didn’t know that?
          You and your “I didn’t read the article, it has a paywall, so I’ll pretend it says what I want” attitude is rather disconcerting for a journalist.

          http://www.eurosurveillance.org/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleId=20580

        • White_and_Nerdy

          Gosh Mr. Hammond,

          Again you are confused by your own reference. It details risks caused by a
          religious community that generally doesn’t vaccinate.

          Now back to the original question. It is just middle school math to estimate the current risk to infants relative to pre-vaccine.

          W&N

          • Sorry, wrong study. Here you go:

            Children of mothers vaccinated against measles and, possibly, rubella have lower concentrations of maternal antibodies and lose protection by maternal antibodies at an earlier age than children of mothers in communities that oppose vaccination. This increases the risk of disease transmission in highly vaccinated populations.

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4043230/

            Also:

            Measles outbreaks in countries with high measles vaccine coverage have demon-strated a shift in measles incidence to children <12 months of age…. Further, the number of susceptible infants aged <12 months is expected to increase among highly vaccinated populations as the majority of women in child bearing years have vaccine-induced immunity to measles, with recent studies showing 99% of infants born to vaccinated mothers lacking detectable antibodies to measles by 6 months.

            http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/04/29/infdis.jit144.full

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            The only reason such studies exist is that we are in the end game of an incredibly successful campaign against measles. The same is true of polio– we are concerned about vaccine acquired polio now because we have almost beaten the far more pernicious enemy of wild polio.

            The people who conduct these studies understand this. You appear to treat vaccine scientists as respectable authorities, but you know very well that the authors of the studies you cite would find your conclusion to be laughable.

        • Trulyunbelievable2020

          That article appears to be behind a paywall. Can I assume that you have not actually read it?

          • You can assume whatever you like.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            I think I’ll base my assumptions on what you’ve said and repeated: that you don’t have access to articles behind paywalls.

          • That is an invalid generalization.

    • Whether to vaccinate or not is a choice that needs to be made on an individual level.

      • White_and_Nerdy

        OK Mr. Hammond,

        “Whether to vaccinate or not is a choice that needs to be made on an individual level.’

        Based on what information and analysis?

        Thanks,

        W&N

        • The best available.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            And should we consult the sort of experts whose studies you cite to make that determination? If not, then who should be charged with this responsibility?

          • If you are asking whether we should consult the medical literature, of course. Hence my citing extensively from the medical literature.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    As far as shifting the disease burden onto infants, the article is utterly stupid and deceitful. We used to have 300,000 to 500,000 clinical cases of measles a year before the vaccine, and if only 1% were in infants (it was much higher), that would be at least 3,000 cases. So even if all of the 100 to 500 cases today were in babies (and they are not, as the article itself agrees), that would still make babies much safer today. The use of relative frequency and not absolute numbers—and I didn’t even correct for the increase in USA population—is typical of how antivaxers lie with statistics. If I may toot my own horn many other examples are here, some of which (mortality vs incidence) appear here, too.

    The author has kept such an open mind, his brain fell out.

    • cabcabal

      Thought you were going to get a job …

    • …that would still make babies much safer today

      Not the ones who get measles not merely despite but because of public vaccine policy.

      Infants are more than just statistics, and this point is but one of many to consider.

      • Trulyunbelievable2020

        Of course infants are more than just statistics. The point that he is making is that far, far, far more infants would get measles if we all stopped vaccinating than they would if we all vaccinated. Thus, your inane argument about “shifting the burden” is ridiculous.

        It’s hard to believe that you are really this obtuse.

        • What is obtuse is to compare measles incidence in the pre-vaccine era with today as though those statistics still apply to the situation today, as though no advances standards of living, in health care, educational knowledge about nutrition, the importance of breastfeeding, etc., have occurred.

          • Katia

            Measles is spread by the airborne route. 90%, that’s nine-zero per 100 people, will get measles if exposed. The virus can live in the airspace for up to two hours after an sick person has left. The standard of living is not much different as far as nutrition and sanitation now than it was in 1963. Granted, in the 50s-60s, breast feeding was at a low, but prior to that, almost everyone breast fed, and measles incidence was as high or higher then!

          • Mike Stevens

            All the antivax crew talk of how they “all had measles when they were kids” in the 1950s and 1960s.
            I guess that crunchy granola represents malnutrition by another name.

          • Yes, measles is a very contagious disease. Nobody argued otherwise. As for the standard of living in the early 60s compared to today, yes, indeed, it had advanced quite a great deal by then, so that the mortality rate had already dropped to the floor by the time the vaccine was introduced. How you missed that point is puzzling. But good point about breastfeeding being not as popular back then.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            Why do you think that 450 deaths a year indicates that mortality had “dropped to the floor”? It would seem to me that “the floor” here would be zero.

          • ciaparker2

            Measles mortality dropped 95% in the U.S. between 1910 and 1960, with no vaccine and no way to treat measles by allopathic means. The virus itself had mutated to become less virulent, as viruses usually do over time, and people’s nutritional status had improved a lot, which also reduced serious consequences of measles. There’s no reason to believe that the mortality would not have continued to decrease if the vaccine had not been introduced. We’ll get to find out when measles comes back.

          • sabelmouse

            out of several million.

          • Mike Stevens

            Any minute now you will start telling us no-one will ever die because …vitamins and homeopathy stuff.

          • I see you’ve run out of arguments so find it necessary to employ the strawman fallacy.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            I see you’ve ignored his long post above that gives a detailed explanation of how you’ve completely misinterpreted some of the papers you cite.

          • He would have had to have demonstrated that I misinterpreted some of the papers I cite for me to be able to ignore it.

          • White_and_Nerdy

            OK Mr. Hammond,

            We don’t have to look back far. In ~1989-1990 thanks to the anti-vaccs the US
            had a huge measles epidemic.

            Remind us again what the results were with all the “advances standards of living, in health care, educational knowledge about nutrition, the importance of breastfeeding, etc”?

            Thanks,

            W&N

          • You attribute the measles epidemic in the late 80s to low vaccination rates. Yet…

            Intermittent measles outbreaks continued to occur after introduction of measles vaccine and, during the mid-1980s, occurred predominantly in vaccinated, school-aged children.

            http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement_1/S69.long

            And:

            Multiple studies demonstrate that 2-10% of those immunized with two doses of measles vaccine fail to develop protective antibody levels, and that immunity can wane over time and result in infection (so-called secondary vaccine failure) when the individual is exposed to measles. For example, during the 1989-1991 U.S. measles outbreaks 20-40% of the individuals affected had been previously immunized with one to two doses of vaccine. In an October 2011 outbreak in Canada, over 50% of the 98 individuals had received two doses of measles vaccine… [M]easles outbreaks also occur even among highly vaccinated populations because of primary and secondary vaccine failure, which results in gradually larger pools of susceptible persons and outbreaks once measles is introduced. This leads to a paradoxical situation whereby measles in highly immunized societies occurs primarily among those previously immunized.

          • sabelmouse

            thanks for showing us, once again, how ill informed you are.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            Is there any reason– any reason whatsoever– to assume that the advances you allude to would have an impact on the incidence of measles in an unvaccinated population?

          • No. Are you not paying any attention?

    • ciaparker2

      Not many babies used to get measles because 99% of their mothers had had the natural disease, and were able to protect them with placental immunity and breast feeding. There were three or four million cases a year of measles, but it was common not even to go to a doctor for measles, and only a fraction of cases was reported. 99% of kids showed serological evidence of immunity to measles by 18.

  • circulo lazo

    Thank you for writing about this. This shows you have done your research, and thanks for having the integrity and bravery for speaking out. Many reporters do not.

    • White_and_Nerdy

      Thanks for the irony. It is delicious.

      W&N

    • White_and_Nerdy

      Again.

      Thanks for the irony. It is delicious.

      W&N

  • Trulyunbelievable2020

    “What the declining mortality rate indicates is that the US population
    was developing natural herd immunity. We were learning to live in
    symbiosis with the virus, natural exposure to which not only confers
    permanent immunity to measles itself, but may help prime the immune
    system of children to protect against other diseases, as well.

    But then along came the vaccine and destroyed that natural herd immunity.”

    This is nonsense. Declining mortality rates provide no indication whatsoever that “the US population
    was developing natural herd immunity.” Since the infection rate had remained the same as it had always been– virtually everyone was infected once in their life– “natural herd immunity” had nothing to do with declining mortality. We were not “developing” anything. We had not reached a state of “symbiosis.” With regard to infections, we were in the same position that we had always been in: almost everyone got measles. Most recovered. Many were hospitalized. Some were disabled. Some died. The decline in mortality was entirely the result of the developments that the author mentions in the previous paragraph: improvements in sanitation, standard of living, nutrition, and medical treatment.

    • You’re taking my intial comment about herd immunity and ignoring all the discussion that followed.

      • Trulyunbelievable2020

        At no point did you offer any meaningful support for the ludicrous claim that we had “built” some sort of desirable level of herd immunity and then destroyed it with the vaccine. If you think you did, you are mistaken.

        • If you think there is any error in fact or logic in my discussion of herd immunity, you are welcome to point it out.

      • Mike Stevens

        Do you have any concept of herd immunity and how it works?

        Why do you think measles vaccine has destroyed herd immunity?
        Like many scientific advances, vaccines have utilised herd immunity and improved upon it.

        With natural herd immunity, there were epidemic cycles of disease, because there was a natural drop in the levels of protection between epidemics.
        When these levels had dropped below a threshold level after 2 or 3 years, you then had another epidemic.

        The “price” of having a couple of disease free “natural herd immunity” years of protection was to endure a year of epidemic measles with damage and deaths.

        With vaccines we can stop all of that.
        In fact, if everyone was vaccinated against measles, it could be globally eradicated, like smallpox was. Wouldn’t that be wonderful?

        • I explained why I think the vaccine has destroyed natural herd immunity in the article. Yes, in the pre-vaccine era, the epidemic cycles occurred because of a natural drop in rates of immunity, i.e., an increase in the population of children who had yet to be exposed to measles and thus had not yet developed immunity. You claim “if everyone was vaccinated against measles, it could be globally eradicated”. That is false, for the reasons elaborated upon in the article. This goes directly to my point about natural herd immunity, which is that public vaccine policy has shifted the risk burden from those in whom it is generally well-tolerated to the most vulnerable members of society.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            “That is false, for the reasons elaborated upon in the article.”

            According to your argument, it should have also been impossible to eradicate smallpox. Please explain how that happened.

          • 1) I don’t know that vaccination eradicated smallpox. I haven’t studied that enough to know. There are numerous diseases that are no longer endemic despite there never having been vaccines for them. 2) Assuming it did, every virus is different and I would have to study smallpox and the vaccine more learn more about it.

  • Trulyunbelievable2020

    “While parents today are trained to have a hysterical fear of measles,
    back in the 1960s, when the vaccine was introduced, it was recognized as
    a generally mild disease with infrequent complications.”

    In the late 1950s and early 1960s, there were an average of 450 deaths and 48,000 hospitalizations a year due to measles. I am not “hysterically” afraid of the measles, but I see no reason whatsoever that my child should be subjected to a 1-2/1,000 chance of dying from a disease that is highly preventable.

    • cabcabal

      Think you need to check your numbers (or your facts) … it’s well known that there was about a 90% morbidity rate for measles pre-vaccine. That’s about 3,600,000 case a year. If the mortality rate was 1 in 1,000 (let alone 1 in 500), that’d be 3,600 deaths a year from measles. You cite 450 deaths/year (which is actually in line with the records from the time).

      Looks like your 1 in 1,000 mortality rate is way, way off.

      And your 1 in 500 mortality rate just looks plain stupid.

      • Trulyunbelievable2020

        Thank you for pointing this out. The root of the discrepancy is the difference between actual cases (close to four million, as you said) and reported cases, of which there were 542,000 annually in the late 1950s. The death rate among the reported cases was roughly 1 death per thousand cases. It’s reasonable to assume that there were deaths in the nonreported cases, but I also think it’s reasonable to assume that more severe cases were more likely to be reported.

        Thus, you are likely correct to argue that the 1/1,000 mortality rate is almost certainly overestimated. I apologize for the error.

        • Trulyunbelievable2020

          More on this from the Journal of Infectious Diseases (http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement_1/S4.full)

          “During the past 13 years in the United States, the case-fatality rate has averaged 3 per 1000 reported measles cases (table 2). This increase is most likely due to more complete reporting of measles as a cause of death, HIV infections, and a higher
          proportion of cases among preschool-aged children and adults. “

        • cabcabal

          It’s just another of the max-vax crowds inaccurate talking points.

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Thanks for the helpful posting.

            “It’s just another of the max-vax crowds inaccurate talking points.”

            Translation: you don’t understand the science and you don’t care enough to even try.

            Very, very helpful.

            W&N

    • I see no reason whatsoever that my child should be subjected to a medical procedure because of your fear of a disease.

      • Trulyunbelievable2020

        I realize that you don’t see why you should care about other people and that you think that this is a good lesson to teach your child. Thankfully, you are in a very small antisocial minority. We have begun to change the laws to minimize the risk that you pose to the rest of us.

      • Reality022

        Yes, that argument has been used by Christian Scientists and Jehovah Witnesses to deny their children lifesaving medicines and medical procedures. The state generally doesn’t look too kindly on these attempts at child sacrifice.

        You may want to read the history of Typhoid Mary. She had the same attitude about personal medical integrity as you. The State of New York disagreed.

        • It’s you who would have others’ children laid on the sacrificial alter.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            It’s spelled “altar,” Professor Ohn Li Readtheabstract.

            And stop being such a drama queen. It clashes with the detached, pompous, pseudo-objective persona you’re trying to cultivate here.

          • Thanks for proofreading my comments. Now, please keep your comments substantive.

      • Katia

        You seem to have a fear of needles.

      • White_and_Nerdy

        OK Mr. Hammond,

        But your child’s medical decisions should be based on the best available science—correct?

        W&N

        • Certainly, I should base my decisions as a parent based on the best available information.

    • Katia

      I was a child in the 60s, and that’s not true. Parents were happy to have a vaccine. I was actually in high school by the late 60s, and our “Future Nurses Club” helped with a measles “shoot-out” held at the high school. Many parents showed up on a Saturday to get their kids immunized. People with these romantic ideas of how the “old-timers” handled disease need a reality check.

  • Trulyunbelievable2020

    ” But, then, the recent case in Washington is the first confirmed case of
    measles-related death since 2003, while there have been 65 deaths since
    2003 reported to the nation Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) following vaccination with MMR.”

    You are comparing measles deaths to VAERS reports. The obvious implication is that the MMR has caused more deaths than measles. When I open the link you provided, however, I find this disclaimer: “A major limitation of VAERS data is that VAERS cannot determine if the adverse health event reported
    was caused by the vaccination.” The same thing is repeated again at the bottom of the page: “There are limitations to VAERS data.
    A report to VAERS does not mean that the vaccine caused the adverse event,
    only that the adverse event occurred sometime after vaccination.”

    Let’s take a look at the first few reports:

    – A soldier died five days after vaccination for smallpox. (Wait? Smallpox? I thought we were talking about measles. Oh, that’s right– a VAERS search for deaths and MMR returns results on anyone who has been listed as having ever received the MMR.) His toxicology results showed the presence of methadone and diazepam. The report concludes that “Vaccination unrelated to soldier’s death.”

    – The second patient is another “MMR death” that has nothing to do with the MMR. She was enrolled in a Stage IV study of a daptacel vaccine. She became ill over two months after receiving that vaccine. According to the report, “The event of systemic inflammatory response syndrome was reported by the investigator as unrelated to the study vaccine.”

    – Patient three is a child who died of advanced cancer. According to the report, “The event of neuroblastoma, secondary brain/ spine cancer, anoxic brain
    damage, pneumonia, and pulmonary collapse was reported by the
    investigator as not related to the study vaccine.”

    – Patient four is a child who died of bacterial pneumonia.

    – Patient five died from diarrhea.

    – Patient six had an anaphylactic reaction. That makes this the first death of the six that might conceivably been caused by a vaccine.

    – The report on patient seven includes almost no information that would allow us to say whether or not his death was related to a vaccine or not.

    – Patient eight had DiGeorge’s syndrome, which means he was born without a thymus gland and thus had no T cells at all. He was a severely ill child who had had at least two major heart procedures.

    – Patient nine had an anaphylactic reaction. It wasn’t to a vaccine, though, since the reaction occurred about a month after he got his last shot.

    – Patient ten was accidentally smothered by her mother in bed.

    That’s the first ten reports that came up. I won’t go through all of them, but I just want to draw your attention to the most shocking “vaccine death” of all: A one year-old female who choked on a bean 319 days after vaccination. That’s right– a bean.

    If only more journalists were willing to tell the whole truth by woefully misinterpreting VAERS data!

    • ione murphy

      In the United States Court of Federal Claims
      OFFICE OF SPECIAL MASTERS
      No. 13-756V Filed: October 3, 2014
      **************** ,* * * Petitioner, * * * * * * * * ****************
      UNPUBLISHED Special Master Dorsey
      Joint Stipulation on Damages; Tetanus, Diphtheria and Acellular Pertussis (Tdap) vaccine; Measles, Mumps, and Rubella (“MMR”) vaccine; demyelinating polyneuropathy
      v.
      SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES,
      Respondent.
      Isaiah Richard Kalinowski, Maglio, Christopher Gordon Elliot Shemin, United States Department of Justice, Washington, DC, for respondent.
      DECISION1
      On September 27, 2013, (“petitioner”) filed a petition pursuant to the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.2 42 U.S.C. §§ 300aa-1 to -34 (2006). Petitioner alleged that on September 10, 2012, she was administered the Adacel (Tetanus, Diphtheria and Acellular Pertussis (TDaP)) vaccination in her left deltoid, and the first (of two), Measles, Mumps, and Rubella (MMR) vaccinations in her right deltoid. On October 10, 2012, petitioner was administered the second MMR vaccination in her left deltoid. All three
      1 Because this decision contains a reasoned explanation for the undersigned’s action in this case, the undersigned intends to post this ruling on the website of the United States Court of Federal Claims, in accordance with the E-Government Act of 2002, Pub. L. No. 107-347, § 205, 116 Stat. 2899, 2913 (codified as amended at 44 U.S.C. § 3501 note (2006)). As provided by Vaccine Rule 18(b), each party has 14 days within which to request redaction “of any information furnished by that party: (1) that is a trade secret or commercial or financial in substance and is privileged or confidential; or (2) that includes medical files or similar files, the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of privacy.” Vaccine Rule 18(b).
      2 The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program is set forth in Part 2 of the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986, Pub. L. No. 99-660, 100 Stat. 3755, codified as amended, 42 U.S.C. §§ 300aa-1 to -34 (2006) (Vaccine Act or the Act). All citations in this decision to individual sections of the Vaccine Act are to 42 U.S.C.A. § 300aa.
      I**************** ,* * * Petitioner, * * * * * * * * ****************
      UNPUBLISHED Special Master Dorsey
      Joint Stipulation on Damages; Tetanus, Diphtheria and Acellular Pertussis (Tdap) vaccine; Measles, Mumps, and Rubella (“MMR”) vaccine; demyelinating polyneuropathy
      v
      On October 2, 2014, the parties filed a stipulation, stating that a decision should be entered awarding compensation.
      Respondent denies that the vaccines are the cause of petitioner’s alleged demyelinating polyneuropathy, or any other injury. Nevertheless, the parties agree to the joint stipulation, attached hereto as Appendix A. The undersigned finds the stipulation reasonable and adopts it as the decision of the Court in awarding damages, on the terms set forth therein.
      The parties stipulated that petitioner shall receive the following compensation:
      A lump sum of $225,000.00, in the form of a check payable to petitioner. This amount represents compensation for all damages that would be available under 42 U.S.C.§300aa-15(a).
      Stipulation ¶ 8. The undersigned approves the requested amount for petitioner’s compensation.
      Accordingly, an award should be made consistent with the stipulation.
      In the absence of a motion for review filed pursuant to RCFC Appendix B, the clerk of the court SHALL ENTER JUDGMENT in accordance with the terms of the parties’ stipulation.3
      IT IS SO ORDERED.
      s/ Nora Beth Dorsey Nora Beth Dorsey Special Master

      In the United States Court of Federal Claims
      OFFICE OF SPECIAL MASTERS No. 13-791V (E-Filed: May 28, 2014)
      ***************
      , Petitioner,
      * UNPUBLISHED *
      * Special Master * Hamilton-Fieldman
      * Tetanus, Diphtheria, acellular Pertussis * (“Tdap”) Vaccine; Transverse Myelitis; * Decision; Stipulation. *
      v.
      SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES,
      Respondent. ***************
      *
      .
      Isaiah Kalinowski, Maglio, Christopher & Toale, Washington, DC, for Petitioner. Lindsay Corliss, United States Department of Justice, Washington, DC, for Respondent.
      DECISION AWARDING DAMAGES1
      On October 10, 2013, Petitioner, , filed a petition seeking compensation under the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (“the Vaccine Program”). Petitioner alleged that he was injured by the administration of a Tetanus, Diphtheria, acellular Pertussis vaccine (“Tdap”) on April 17, 2012, and that he thereafter suffered transverse myelitis (“TM”). Petitioner alleged that this condition was caused-in-
      1 Because this unpublished decision contains a reasoned explanation for the undersigned’s action in this case, the undersigned intends to post this decision on the United States Court of Federal Claims’ website, in accordance with the E-Government Act of 2002, Pub. L. No. 107-347, § 205, 116 Stat. 2899, 2913 (codified as amended at 44 U.S.C. § 3501 note (2006)). As provided by Vaccine Rule 18(b), each party has 14 days within which to request redaction “of any information furnished by that party: (1) that is a trade secret or commercial or financial in substance and is privileged or confidential; or (2) that includes medical files or similar files, the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of privacy.” Vaccine Rule 18(b). Otherwise, “the entire” decision will be available to the public. Id.
      I, Petitioner,
      * Special Master * Hamilton-Fieldman
      * Tetanus, Diphtheria, acellular Pertussis * (“Tdap”) Vaccine; Transverse Myelitis; * Decision; Stipulation. *
      v.
      SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES,
      Respondent. ***************
      *
      .A lump sum of $90,000.00, in the form of a check payable to Petitioner. This amount represents compensation for all damages that would be available under 42 U.S.C. §300aa-15(a) to which Petitioner would be entitled.
      Stipulation ¶ 8.
      The undersigned approves the requested amounts for Petitioner’s compensation. In the absence of a motion for review filed pursuant to RCFC Appendix B, the clerk of the court is directed to enter judgment herewith.3
      IT IS SO ORDERED.
      s/Lisa D. Hamilton-Fieldman Lisa D. Hamilton-Fieldman Special Master

      In the United States Court of Federal Claims
      OFFICE OF SPECIAL MASTERS
      No. 12-916V (Filed: May 2, 2014)
      _______________________________ , ) UNPUBLISHED
      ) Stipulation; Petitioner, ) Tetanus-diphtheria-
      ) acellular pertussis v. ) (Tdap); Guillain-
      ) SECRETARY OF THE DEPARTMENT ) OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, )
      Respondent. )

      Barré Syndrome
      On May 2, 2014, Respondent filed a joint stipulation concerning the petition for compensation filed by on December 28, 2012. In her petition, Petitioner alleged that the tetanus-diphtheria-acellular pertussis (Tdap) vaccine, which is contained in the Vaccine Injury Table (the “Table”), 42 C.F.R. §100.3(a), and which she received on December 22, 2011, caused her to develop Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS). Petitioner represents that there has been no prior award or settlement of a civil action for damages on behalf as a result of alleged vaccine-related injury.

      Damages awarded in that stipulation include:
      A lump sum payment of $135,000.00 in the form of a check payable to Petitioner. This amount represents compensation for all damages that would be available under 42 U.S.C. § 300aa- 15(a).
      Stipulation at ¶8.
      In the absence of a motion for review filed pursuant to RCFC, Appendix B, the clerk is directed to enter judgment in case 12-916V according to this decision and the attached stipulation.2
      Any questions may be directed to my law clerk, Camille Collett, at (202) 357-6361.
      IT IS SO ORDERED

      In the United States Court of Federal Claims
      OFFICE OF SPECIAL MASTERS
      ***************** *** , *
      Petitioner, * v. * * SECRETARY OF HEALTH * AND HUMAN SERVICES, *
      No. 13-08V * Special Master Christian J. Moran
      Filed: April 21, 2014
      Stipulation; Tetanus-diphtheria-
      acellular pertussis (“Tdap”) vaccine, * Measles-mumps-rubella (“MMR”)Vaccine, Guillain-Barre’ Syndrome (“GBS”)
      Respondent. *
      ******************** * Danielle Strait, Maglio, Christopher & Toale, PA, Sarasota, FL, for Petitioner; Ann Martin, U.S. Department of Justice, Washington, DC, for Respondent.
      UNPUBLISHED DECISION1
      On April 17, 2014, respondent filed a joint stipulation concerning the petition for compensation filed by on January 4, 2013. In her petition, Ms. alleged that the tetanus-diphtheria-acellular pertussis (“Tdap”) vaccine and or the measles-mumps-rubella (“MMR”) vaccine, which is contained in the Vaccine Injury Table (the “Table”), 42 C.F.R. §100.3(a), and which she received on December 17, 2011, caused her to suffer Guillain-Barré Syndrome (“GBS”). Petitioner further alleges that she experienced the residual effects of this condition for more than six months. Petitioner represents that there has been no prior award or settlement of a civil action for damages on her behalf as a result of her injuries.
      Respondent denies that petitioner’s Tdap and or MMR vaccines caused GBS or any other injury.
      Nevertheless, the parties agree to the joint stipulation, attached hereto as “Appendix A.” The undersigned finds said stipulation reasonable and adopts it as the decision of the Court in awarding damages, on the terms set forth therein.
      Damages awarded in that stipulation include:
      A lump sum of $72,000.00 in the form of a check payable to petitioner, . This amount represents compensation for all damages
      that would be available under 42 U.S.C. § 300aa-15(a).
      In the absence of a motion for review filed pursuant to RCFC, Appendix B, the clerk is directed to enter judgment in case 13-08V according to this decision and the attached stipulation.2
      Any questions may be directed to my law clerk, Marc Langston, at (202) 357-6392.
      IT IS SO ORDERED

      In the United States Court of Federal Claims
      OFFICE OF SPECIAL MASTERS
      No. 12-277V (E-Filed: April 8, 2014)
      * ************************
      ,
      ; Tdap Vaccine; * Guillain-Barré Syndrome
      Petitioner,
      v. * * SECRETARY OF HEALTH * AND HUMAN SERVICES, * * Respondent. * * ************************
      Anne Carrion Toale, Sarasota, FL, for Petitioner Gordon Shemin, Washington, DC, for Respondent

      On April 8, 2014, Respondent filed a joint stipulation concerning the petition for compensation filed by (Petitioner) on May 2, 2012. In her petition, Petitioner alleged that the Tetanus, Diphtheria and Pertussis (Tdap) vaccine, which is contained in the Vaccine Injury Table (the “Table”), 42 C.F.R. §100.3(a), and which she received on October 17, 2011, caused her to develop Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS). Petitioner represents that she experienced the residual effects of this injury for more than six months and there has been no prior award or settlement of a civil action for damages
      1
      Because this unpublished decision contains a reasoned explanation for the undersigned’s
      Damages awarded in that stipulation include:
      8. a.
      A lump sum of $66,633.55, which represents reimbursement of a State of Vermont Medicaid lien, in the form of a check payable jointly to Petitioner and
      DVHA HP-Financial Services P.O. Box 1645 Williston, VT 05495
      Petitioner agrees to endorse this payment to the State; and
      b. A lump sum payment of $125,000.00 in the form of a check payable to Petitioner. This amount represents compensation for all remaining damages that would be available under 42 U.S.C. § 300aa- 15(a).
      Stipulation at ¶8.
      In the absence of a motion for review filed pursuant to RCFC, Appendix B, the clerk is directed to enter judgment in case 12-277V according to this decision and the attached stipulation.2
      6361. Any questions may be directed to my law clerk, Camille Collett, at (202) 357-
      IT IS SO ORDERED

      • Trulyunbelievable2020

        And your point is…?

        • ione murphy

          Here is a list of some vaccine injuries that have already been awarded compensation

          Demyelinating Polyneuritis
          Encephalopathy
          Chronic Multiple Sclerosis-
          Seizure Disorder
          Cognitive Delays
          Systemic Lupus Erythematosus
          Guillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)
          Transverse Myelitis
          Acute Disseminated Encephalomyelitis-Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM)

          And a few more examples of settled court cases for vaccine injuries

          Date- Vaccine- Name-Illness
          or Symptoms Link to Court Decision and Amount Compensated
          9/26/2014DTaP, HiB, MMR PneumococcalMulti-Organ Failure, Streptococcal A Infection, Toxic Shock Case No. 11-50V$200,000 9/19/2013Flu Vaccine, DTaP, Hepatitis B Vaccine Brachial Neuritis Case No. 12-404V$85,000
          8/12/2013DtaP Opsoclonus Myoclonus Syndrome Case No. 08-402V$637,000
          12/12/2012Dtap, Polio, Varicella, Hepatitis A VaccinesIdeopathic Thrombocytopenic PurpuraCase No. 10-818V$87,500 6/10/2011Menactra, DTaP, Varivax VaccinesGuillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 09-867 $100,000
          5/19/2011Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis Vaccine (DTaP) Cerebral Palsy, Encephalopathy, Seizure Disorder,Cognitive Delays Case No. 08-463V$61 Million
          3/23/2011 Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis (DTaP) VaccineNeurologic InjuryCase No. 08-348V$200,000
          3/7/2011 Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis Vaccine (DTaP)Guillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)Case No. 09-834 V$175,000
          9/22/2010 Diphtheria, Tetanus Pertussis Vaccine (DTaP),Measles, Mumps, Rubella (MMR),Hepatitis A Vaccines
          11/16/2012Hepatitis B VaccineThrombotic Thrombocytopenic PurpuraCase No. 11-220V$78,419
          11/14/2012MMR, Hepatitis BMyopathy, Polyneuropathy, QuadraparesisCase No.11-0143V$550,000

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            Yes. The vaccine court,which has a standard of proof that is below that of a regular civil court, gives about one award for every million doses. This accords perfectly with the claim that severe reactions are extremely rare.

          • ione murphy

            Talk to parents who have filed claims and been denied. If your child is not paralyzed or severely injured you are shown the door. Less than a third of all claims filed make it to a settlement.
            But are these injuries which you claim are ‘extremely rare’..as rare as dying from pneumonia alleged to be caused from a measles infection after you were already immunized for measles?

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            Immunocompromised individuals rarely die from measles infections because the vast, vast majority of the population is not made up of crazy people who long for the harmonious symbiosis of widespread infectious disease and child mortality. If everyone behaved like selfish, ignorant, conspiracy-addled anti-vaxxers, it would be quite common.

          • You’re begging the question. Which is “crazy”:

            A) Millions of years of evolution designed humans without a sufficiently functioning immune system, and scientists have been able to improve upon nature’s design by injecting chemical concoctions into children.

            B) Scientists are not able to outsmart nature or improve upon its creations, but hold the arrogant belief that they can.

            I postulate that “A” is the belief that is absolutely insane.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            Oh, for the love of Pete… now we’re going to throw horrendous misinterpretations of evolution into the pot. I can’t believe I have to explain this, but I will:

            The survival of the human species (or any species) does not require that every individual possess an immune system capable of withstanding all of the diseases that he or she comes into contact with. The human species would have no problem surviving if all of us had fifteen kids and six dropped dead before they were ten. We would continue to exist as a species if 75% of us got lung cancer in our late 40s.

            Evolution did not “design” humans to do anything or be anything. Evolution merely means that we adapted in such a way as to continue our existence.

            It’s quite obvious that human beings are able to improve upon nature’s creations. At this very moment I am sitting in a building, wearing clothing, and using a friggin’ computer. I’ll bet you are too.

            But please– feel free to act on your belief that your immune system is a perfect natural creation that no man can improve.

          • Katia

            Exactly! Whether it was God or evolution, we have brains that make us inquire and try to solve problems.

          • Whether it was God or evolution, we have brains that make us inquire and try to solve problems.

            Glad you agree with me about that.

          • Don

            Where are the Bully trolls Brooke and Caligulus? I’d love to see you debate with them but I see they’re hiding! It’s refreshing to see you take on the troll brigade with such ease. They are nasty!

          • I did not argue that “the survival of the human species (or any species) requires that every individual possesses an immune system capable of withstanding all of the diseases that he or she comes into contact with.”

            But please, feel free to act on your belief that everyone has an inadequate immune system such that we require medical intervention from the first day we our born to improve upon nature’s design — just so long as you don’t infringe on others’ rights in doing so.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            You said it was “insane” to think that science can improve on nature’s creation. You can verify this yourself. It was an incredibly stupid thing to say, but you said it. Now own it or retract it.

          • Judith

            Man has in fact been destroying natural immunity with overuse of antibiotics and vaccines. I don’t think it is ignorance that Pharmaceutical companies have been ignoring the evidence of good gut bacteria in our immune health. They have allowed and promoted antibiotics in livestock to fatten them and promoted to our children for minor ailments. As a result we have children whose gut bacteria is seriously deficient and our diets are promoting pathogenic strains. No wonder the children are getting sicker and sicker. Instead of addressing the real cause of ill health you and your cohorts promote more drugs and vaccines as if that is the answer to everything. How about some sunshine, good diet, healthy living into the mix.

          • What was incredibly stupid was to claim that I argued that “the survival of the human species (or any species) requires that every individual possesses an immune system capable of withstanding all of the diseases that he or she comes into contact with.” I said no such thing.

            You are trolling and are on warning.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            He never said you did, it was an example to illustrate that immune systems are not evolved to be perfect and that if a large number of us die, it will not make us extinct, what he did claim is that you thought it was insane to improve on nature. And I agree, that is a stupid claim (not sure if that actually was your claim). Science manipulates nature to improve on it all the time.

            However, vaccines do not weaken our immune system nor do they strengthen them. They merely activate it against the specific pathogen so when we get infected we remove it quickly.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            You don’t have a right to assault others by passing on vaccine preventable diseases.

          • You don’t have a right not to be exposed to bacteria and viruses. Nor do you have a right to assault others by forcing a medical treatment on them against their will.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            Valid medical exemptions aren’t a problem.

            The supreme court has upheld mandatory vaccination programs in 1905 and as recently as 1943.

            Smallpox was eliminated through aggressive ring vaccination strategies. Polio is near eradication. Measles could be eradicated within 15 years. The only host in nature for measles are human beings.

          • Reality022

            And in those millions of years the bacteria and viruses have also been evolving to defeat our immune system.

            Next, when you get to 10th grade we’ll touch a little on developmental biology.

            Dunning-Kruger writ large.

          • You’re not helping yourself with that argument. We could discuss how the use of vaccines has caused pathogens to evolve into more resistant and potentially more virulent strains. Which then goes right back to the point about scientists not being smarter than nature.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            No, we can’t discuss that because one of us (hint: not me) believes that the very notion that science “has been able to improve on nature’s design” is “insane.”

          • I’d be happy to discuss how the use of vaccines has caused pathogens to evolve into more resistant and potentially more virulent strains. Which then goes right back to the point about scientists not being smarter than nature.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            The more times I read this post, the stupider it sounds.

            I’m trying to imagine a conversation between you and your doctor:

            Dr.: Your artery is 95% blocked. We need to schedule you for a stent as soon as possible.

            You: I don’t think so, doc. Do you really think that millions of years of evolution designed me with a defective circulatory system? Do you think you can actually improve on the human heart? Now I’m just going to get in my car, hop on the highway, and drive home.

            So, so, so ridiculous…

          • Reality022

            Millions of years of evolution and nature/God failed to make us thermally protected such that humans, in their hubris, had to learn to tame fire and build artificial shelters.

            It ain’t nachrule and is probably against the will of god!!11!!!!

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            Before this evolution comment I thought I was talking to a smart person who had a misguided view on this particular issue. I now realize that I am dealing with a blithering idiot.

          • Katia

            And driving home, Mr. Hammond has a heart attack and kills 10 other people, but of course, not himself. That’s always the way it works with these crazies.

          • Katia

            You know, Mother Nature isn’t really very nice.

          • Mike Stevens

            “Millions of years of evolution designed humans without a sufficiently
            functioning immune system, and scientists have been able to improve upon nature’s design by injecting chemical concoctions into children.”

            Ha! “The eevul kemicalzzz” – Your antivaccine slip is definitely showing, Jeremy.
            Pray tell why if evolution is so great, why did millions of kids die each year from childhood infections which we are now able to prevent with those chemicals you speak of?
            Why did vaccines save the lives in the US of three quarters of a million kids over the last 20 years, when evolution was powerless to do so?
            http://www.livescience.com/45111-national-vaccination-effects.html

          • Mike, see the article regarding vaccine ingredients. As for why so many people used to die from diseases we now have vaccines for, the article discusses that, too (specific to measles, but the same applies to other diseases, including those that are no longer endemic despite the US not widely vaccinating for them).

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Sorry Mr. Hammond,

            What is crazy is just making things up when there is data.

            Again, why are you refusing to fact-check with qualified scientists?

            W&N

          • What is it you are alleging I’ve invented?

          • Justthefacts

            What would you prefer? medical malpractice cases rule in favor of the doctors 80-90% of the time and they pay out half as much on the average as vaccine court.

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2628515/

            Again, why do you hate vaccine victims like you do?

          • Mike Stevens

            Settlements are only made if the plaintiffs show there has been a table injury. That is only fair.
            Would you expect claims that vaccines made the person speak with an Australian accent be granted?

          • ciaparker2

            While the list of table injuries was drawn up in the ’80s, at the inception of Vaccine Court, and before the beginning of the vaccine and autism epidemics. Back when people were unaware that vaccines could set into motion a process which would culminate in severe disability long after the vaccine was given. At a time when no one had ever heard of autism, because it only occurred in three in 10,000 children at that time. Now it’s one in 36, a hundred-fold increase in thirty years.

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Hi Ione,

            “Talk to parents who have filed claims and been denied.”

            Good point.

            Did you see the recent AP(?) investigation of the vaccine court?

            They detailed how anti-vaccs have grossly abused the vaccine court—and families—filing completely bogus claims. And they are making many million$ doing so. Unsurprisingly these claims are rejected.

            Every single one of the rejected families is free to sue the vaccine manufacturers in is civil courts.

            Again, unsurprisingly they don’t. Tells you a lot about the rejected cases.

            W&N

          • Katia

            Do you have a link to that investigation? I’d love to read it.

          • White_and_Nerdy
          • Katia

            Thanks so much!

          • From the AP article: “The court offers a financial incentive to over-file…” So you’ve established the incompetency of government bureaucracy, which simply goes to the point that government shouldn’t be involved in our health care to begin with.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            Yes, my private health insurance company has no bureaucracy whatsoever. Everything runs very smoothly. Riiiiight…

            (I actually have no strong opinion on the appropriate level of government involvement in healthcare. I’m just pointing out how silly this particular argument is.)

          • Speaking of silliness, you seem to be under the impression that private insurance companies act in the absence of government bureaucracy.

          • The small number of compensation awards given “accords with” the claim that severe reactions are “extremely rare”, but the latter does not follow from the former.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            That’s why I said “accords with.” Or perhaps I’m misunderstanding your objection.

          • Very well.

          • Katia

            Anti-vaxers are a strange and mysterious bunch. They want compensation, they don’t want it. Etc.
            http://violentmetaphors.com/2013/11/22/why-anti-vaxers-hate-the-nvicp-and-just-what-is-it-anyway-by-colin-mcroberts/
            “Why the anti-vaxers hate the NVICP and just what is it Anyway”

          • Katia, if you have something relevant to say in reply to my comments, you are welcome to do so.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            I assume you’ll be fixing the factual errors she’s pointed out, right?

          • White_and_Nerdy

            So Mr. Hammond,

            One more time: why don’t you fact-check with qualified scientists how common severe reactions to vaccines are?

            W&N

          • Justthefacts

            Yes, there have been over 4000 payouts to these victims. I am so happy we have a system to protect the vaccine victims.
            What is your point?

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Hi Ione,

            Why didn’t you post what the standards are for winning compensation?

            https://ecf.cofc.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2002vv1648-43-0

            Winning compensation requires:

            Table injury–and then the vaccine is presumed to have caused the reaction

            Or

            (1) a medical theory causally connecting the vaccination and
            the injury;

            (2) a logical sequence of cause and effect showing that the vaccination was the reason for the injury;

            (3) a showing of proximate temporal relationship between vaccination and injury

            With such ridiculously low standards of course lots of cases get falsely compensated—but so what?

            Clearly compensation does not mean the vaccine caused the problem.

            W&N

          • Interesting that you fail to mention that there have been no new Table Injuries, for any new vaccines, for the past 15 years. That’s right, some 7 or 8 new vaccines, each one with multiple booster shots, have been added to the recommended childhood schedule by ACIP, and NONE of these have been added to the NVICP Injury Table.

            Here is much more on this in an article I wrote criticizing Dorit Reiss’ analysis of several reports that were critical of NVICP:

            http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/12/the-lady-varnishes-dorit-reiss-glosses-over-flaws-in-the-vaccine-injury-compensation-program-identified-in-a-new-government.html

            So for all of these vaccines, the plaintiff must prove medical causation. It is NOT enough to simply show “temporal proximity” or some magical “logical sequence of cause and effect”. The very fact that you can say that with a straight face shows that you know absolutely nothing about vaccine safety issues. Health agency officials and primary caregivers deny causation for reactions which occur within hours, even minutes, of vaccinations…we see this same story over and over.

      • Andrew Lazarus

        Would you please compare the Vaccine Court awards with losses from the diseases themselves pre-vaccine, and then get back to us? With some numbers, not a wall of text of citations you copy from a reservoir of antivax data,

        • ciaparker2

          Deaths from polio had gone down 50%, from pertussis 75%, and from measles 95%, BEFORE the vaccines for them were introduced. This trend of declining virulence would have continued even had the vaccines not been introduced.

      • Justthefacts

        Yes, it’s great that we have a system that protects vaccine victims far better than malpractice cases. It’s a magnificent system. Cases are resolved quickly and of the plaintiff’s win more often than malpractice and the awards are twice as much as standard medical malpractice cases. Very good point.

        • ciaparker2

          You must not have read Wayne Rohde’s Vaccine Court?

          • Justthefacts

            I already know the facts and I don’t need to read anymore lies. His book in ONLY about Autism not being recognized as caused by vaccines and that has been determined by science and not the courts, yet he blames the courts for believing the science. All he did was interview 285 families who think vaccines cause autism and that is suppose to be better that the actual science performed by thousands of people over the last 15 years that shows, conclusively, that vaccines do not cause autism.
            NOBODY SHOULD READ THE TRIPE WORK OF FICTION.

          • ciaparker2

            Not true, he described many kinds of vaccine damage which were dismissed by the kangaroo Vaccine Court, and if you had read it, you would know that. I encourage everyone to read it. One family had a doctor who wrote on the edge of their child’s chart that he was delayed in starting to speak, but did not tell the parents what he had observed. And yet that note was later used to pinpoint the moment when the statute of limitations, the shortest in any court, was deemed to have started, in order to throw that family’s case out of court as having been brought just a MOMENT too late. No one disputed that the child had been severely vaccine-damaged, they just wanted to throw the case out on the flimsiest excuse, NO ONE in officialdom has ANY interest in justice being done to the vaccine-damaged, as it would admittedly bankrupt the country. MUCH better to just bankrupt and leave the families high and dry.

          • Justthefacts

            So what medical school did Wayne go to? Where did he get his PhD in pharmacology? Or is he a research scientist? Does he even have a degree in “science”? What makes you think he knows anything at all about any disease?

            Simple questions but the answers you will not like.

            It doesn’t matter how sad Autism is, it’s not caused by vaccines. Sorry.

          • ciaparker2

            Why don’t you google Wayne, read his book, and find out? It seems strange that you haven’t read it, know nothing about it, but have forbidden anyone to read it because you have heard that it is blasphemous in its defense of vaccine-damaged families.

          • Justthefacts

            You just refuse to read others peoples posts and just respond with your feelings, don’t you? If I had not read that crap book, How would I know it’s nothing but interviews with Autism victims, 285 of them, as I saids three posts ago.
            .
            I have the personal experience of know knowing it’s all crap. If you read my posts, you would know this.
            .
            I know for a fact that his is completely unqualified. He is a “Parent Advocate”. I just want you to say it out loud but you couldn’t and had to defect. You are both predicable and pathetic. I love to add information to my posts in the full knowledge that you won’t read it and then see you respond.

    • I didn’t “interpret” the data at all. I stated the fact that “65 deaths since 2003 reported to the nation Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) following vaccination with MMR.” I neither said nor implied that this means that the vaccine has killed 65 people. The point is simply that we don’t know how many people may or may not have had such serious adverse outcomes from the vaccine.

      • Trulyunbelievable2020

        I’m not really sure what you think “implied” means, since you clearly implied that those deaths were related to the MMR. That’s why you mentioned this in the same sentence where you alluded to the one confirmed death from measles. You said this before you understood what VAERS reports actually look like, as you’ve admitted, but you said it all the same.

        Again, here was the quote: “But, then, the recent case in Washington is the first confirmed case of measles-related death since 2003, while there have been 65 deaths since
        2003 reported to the nation Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) following vaccination with MMR.”

        • The only think implied by my stating the fact about the number of deaths reported to VAERS following MMR vaccination is that if only a fraction of reported deaths could be confirmed to have been caused by the vaccine, there would still be a greater risk of death from the vaccine than from the disease.

      • Reality022

        Jeremy R. Hammond said, “I neither said nor implied that this means that the vaccine has killed 65 people.”
        Absolutely laughable codswallop. Then why did you make that statement to contrast the one, real measles death? Do you always type random irrelevancies in your articles?

        Any readers who believe this adolescent excuse by Mr. Hammond about his statement are just the gullible demographic he has written this for.

        • Trulyunbelievable2020

          “Absolutely laughable codswallop”

          Justice Scalia?

        • Twylaa

          Which “one real measles death”? The woman who was hospitalized with multiple medical conditions and when she died they found some evidence of measles? If this were about vaccines we would be told “Don’t confuse correlation with causation!”

        • The statement in the article regarding the 65 reports of death following MMR is worded very precisely. It neither states nor implies that causation was known with certainty.

      • Mike Stevens

        I understand it is a fact that 65 people had died choking on their food after reading a Jeremy Hammond article.

        Of course I don’t mean that reading the article made them choke, do I?

        • sabelmouse

          oh mikey! remember jeffrey’s mother? except, unlike me and all of us here, she didn’t have a real reason to sigh.

        • What makes it an implication in your example is your facetiousness. The statement in the article is worded very precisely and does not imply that causation was known.

        • ciaparker2

          And if 65 people die after being shot in the head, it doesn’t mean that the gun shot was what caused their death, does it? Maybe it was a coincidental heart attack.

      • White_and_Nerdy

        OK Mr. Hammond,

        You don’t know how many people have had lethal reactions to vaccines.

        So one more time: why don’t you fact-check with a qualified scientist?

        W&N

        • What makes you think there are scientists out there who know how many people have had lethal reactions to vaccines? What a bizarre question.

  • Trulyunbelievable2020

    “There has never been a study of long-term health outcomes between vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals.”

    Anti-vaxxers (oh, I’m sorry– I meant “people who think vaccines are great, but also think that they’re unnecessary and extremely dangerous”) are fond of repeating this claim. Like most of what they say, it’s complete nonsense. Here’s a study that compares health outcomes between vaccinated and non-vaccinated children: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21412506 . They looked at 13,453 subjects between the ages of 1 and 17. The findings were not at all surprising: there is no difference in health outcomes except, of course, for vaccine preventable diseases: those who weren’t vaccinated were far more likely to contract a VPD.

    • You’re right, I should have been more specific. There has never been a double-blind, placebo-controlled study of long-term health outcomes between individuals who’ve received the CDC’s full recommended schedule and individuals who are unvaccinated. I’ll post a clarification.

  • Trulyunbelievable2020

    “… yet public policy treats vaccination as a one-size-fits-all solution—thus playing Russian roulette with our children.”

    We do the same thing with seatbelts. In rare cases, they can kill children who would not otherwise die. What’s more, we do not have any test that could predict which children are more likely to be killed by their seatbelt. Our laws force you to “play Russian roulette” every time you get in the car. It’s almost as if we understand that the benefits of wearing a seatbelt far outweigh the risks.

    (By the way, Russian roulette is played with one bullet and five or six empty chambers. I get that it’s used as a metaphor for taking risks, but it seems like a rather poor one when we are weighing the 1 in a million chance of a severe vaccine reaction against the 1 in a thousand risk of dying from a very mild disease like the measles.)

  • White_and_Nerdy

    Mr. Hammond,

    You wrote:

    “This in turn threatened public health policy, which prompted the government to step in and bail out the vaccine manufactures by barring consumers from suing them for damages under the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986.”

    Thank you for posting the SCOTUS ruling.

    Please note this key statement from page 3 of the opinion:

    “At that point, a claimant has two options: to accept the court’s judgment and forgo a traditional tort suit for damages, or to reject the judgment and seek tort relief from the vaccine manufacturer.”

    The SCOTUS and the US law and the US compensation site all point out this same basic fact—all US families can sue vaccine manufacturers in Civil court for damages.

    More importantly some have sued and the Civil courts have been very clear in documenting the scientific misconduct and the gross dishonesty of the anti-vaccs.

    See: http://mdcourts.gov/opinions/coa/2009/112a08.pdf

    Now a much better use of investigative reporting would be on the anti-vacc scam and how they lie to parents like by claiming one can’t sue vaccine manufacturers. You can easily find many examples of this on-line.

    Please feel free to start such an investigation.

    Thanks,
    W&N

    • Please note this key statement from page 3 of the opinion…. The SCOTUS and the US law and the US compensation site all point out this same basic fact—all US families can sue vaccine manufacturers in Civil court for damages.

      That was precisely the thing the Supreme Court debated, and (from the Washington Post):

      …ruled 6 to 2 that going before a special tribunal set up by Congress is the only way parents can be compensated for the negative side effects that in rare instances accompany vaccinations.”

      “The case was brought by Russell and Robalee Bruesewitz on behalf of their daughter Hannah, 18. Hannah began to have seizures as an infant after receiving the third of five scheduled doses of Wyeth’s Tri-Immunol diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus vaccine. The company, now owned by Pfizer, has taken the drug off the market.

      The 1986 federal law said that all such claims must first go to a special tribunal commonly called the “Vaccine Court.” The program has awarded nearly $2 billion for vaccine-injury claims in nearly 2,500 cases since 1989. It is funded by a tax on immunizations.

      But the tribunal ruled against the Bruesewitzes, saying they had not proved that the vaccine harmed Hannah, who will need lifelong care.

      The couple then sued under Pennsylvania tort law. The company had the case moved to federal court, and judges have consistently ruled that the suit cannot proceed, because federal law prohibits claims against “design defects” in vaccines.

      The justices at oral argument debated ambiguous wording in the federal law. It says that no vaccine maker can be held liable for death or injuries arising from “side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings.”

      Scalia said the word “unavoidable” would be meaningless “if a manufacturer could be held liable for failure to use a different design.”

      Sotomayor read the language to mean the opposite, and said “text, structure and legislative history compel the conclusion that Congress intended to leave the courthouse doors open for children who have suffered severe injuries from defectively designed vaccines.”

      Now, you can argue that Sotomayor’s reading was the correct one. But SCOTUS ruled what it did — that vaccine manufacturers are not liable for vaccine injuries.

      Furthermore, as though it supported your point, you cite a Maryland court case from 2008, before the 2011 SCOTUS ruling.

      Now a much better use of investigative reporting…

      We are not going to agree on that. You ought to be criticizing mainstream journalists for rarely mentioning legal immunity for vaccine manufacturers, despite its obvious relevance to the debate.

      • White_and_Nerdy

        Thanks Mr. Hammond for the reply,

        But this is just variations on a theme. If you want to get the law/SCOTUS ruling correct you should fact-check first with a qualified attorney.

        You wrote: “That {US families can/can’t sue vaccine manufacturers in Civil court for damage} was precisely the thing the Supreme Court debated,…”

        This again is simply not true. Please notice the actual ruling:

        “Held: The NCVIA preempts all design-defect claims against vaccine manufacturers brought by plaintiffs seeking compensation for injury or death caused by a vaccine’s side effects.”

        The ruling is only about design-defect claims. Here is what a design-defect argument is:

        https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/design_defect

        The law prohibits design-defect arguments and the SCOTUS ruled this was constitutional.

        As the Court clearly stated since the BRUESEWITZ’s vaccine court claim had been
        rejected they are free to sue in Civil courts based on the science—just like the Blackwell’s tried. But they can’t make a design-defect argument.

        W&N

        • You seem to keep missing the part where SCOTUS states that the law “eliminates manufacturer liability for a vaccine’s unavoidable, adverse side effects.”

          Or the part of federal law that states, “No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil association for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side-effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings.”

          That couldn’t be clearer.

  • Trulyunbelievable2020

    Things I’ve learned in the comments:
    – Jeremy Hammond does not understand what VAERS is.
    – Jeremy Hammond does not appear to have read any VAERS reports.
    – Jeremy Hammond has made no effort to secure access to peer-reviewed scientific journals that are paywalled.

    Things I’ve concluded from this:
    -Jeremy Hammond has a lot of nerve to criticize other journalists for failing to tell the whole story.

    • The “whole story” would take volumes. My purpose is to broaden the discussion.

      • Trulyunbelievable2020

        If you ever choose to write those volumes, you might want to find a university library where you can actually read the studies you discuss.

        • Every study I cite in the article is available to you online. I do urge you to read them.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            Yes, every study is available to me, since I have access to a university library. What’s absolutely hilarious is that they are not actually available to you, the author. As you’ve already told us, you can’t read peer-reviewed articles that are behind a paywall.

            Thus, I know that you did not actually read the article
            “Short communication
            Kinetics of asthma- and allergy-associated immune response gene expression in peripheral blood mononuclear cells from vaccinated infants after in vitro re-stimulation with vaccine antigen” because it costs $35 through science direct.

            I wish you could appreciate how funny this whole thing is. If only I had taken a drink every time you pompously accused someone of “begging the question…” for stating an extensively documented, well known fact… I’d be absolutely hammered.

          • Like I said, “Every study I cite in the article is available to you online.” Ergo, every study I cite in the article is also available to me online.

            You are on notice for trolling.

          • Mike Stevens

            I see, you are threatening to ban someone, because they point out that you have cited articles you haven’t read?

          • No.

  • White_and_Nerdy

    Mr. Hammond,

    It takes 11+ years of education and training to become a scientist and yet when it comes to vaccines for some strange reason many people feel they can skip the learning process and just wing it.

    Anyway, your analysis of herd immunity is clearly incorrect.

    You wrote:
    “What the declining mortality rate indicates is that the US population was developing natural herd immunity.”

    This is a complete misunderstanding of herd immunity, the data, and its analysis.

    Herd immunity is measured by relative risk of non-immune individuals. Your graph clearly shows the impact of herd immunity dating back to the start of your graphs.

    The measles vaccine improved the herd immunity.

    I am sure we can count on you to fact-check with a qualified statistician who can walk you through the math and show you your errors.

    Thanks,

    W&N

    • Trulyunbelievable2020

      Herd immunity is no more than the observation that measles, a disease that everyone used to get, is now extremely rare even in unvaccinated populations.

      • Bjorn Fowler

        It’s the concept of limited spread in an immune population

    • Katia

      Whereas a high school drop out can pontificate about vaccines, like Jim Carrey. Mr. Hammond, what was YOU last science class and what grade were you in when you took it?

      • White_and_Nerdy

        OK,

        I had to check since I couldn’t remember. It was MCDB 589–grade A.

        Now your turn.

        Thanks,

        W&N

        • Katia

          I was asking Hammond. Pathophysiology, grad school. Also an “A”.

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Sorry I didn’t read correctly.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            Pathophysiology 2 semesters b plus an a in epidemiology. …..

      • Katia, if you think there is any error in anything I’ve written, you are welcome to point it out.

        • Katia

          I have pointed it out! You said that people with egg allergy couldn’t get MMR. That is untrue. You said immunized mothers cannot pass on antibody to their babies. That is untrue. Many others.

          Please answer my question-when did you last take a science course; what was it and on what level was it? 5th grade? 8th maybe?

          • What I wrote was “Among those who should not receive it are children who are hypersensitive to any of the vaccine’s components, including gelatin and eggs, the latter because the live viruses are propagated in chick embryo cell cultures.” Which comes straight from Merck’s product insert:

          • Katia

            Funny, what you highlighted just includes gelatin, not eggs. Again, I quote from the package insert:
            “Persons with
            a history of anaphylactic, anaphylactoid, or other immediate reactions (e.g., hives, swelling of the mouth and throat, difficulty breathing, hypotension, or shock) subsequent to egg ingestion may be at an enhanced risk of immediate-type hypersensitivity reactions after receiving vaccines containing traces of chick embryo antigen. The potential risk to benefit ratio should be carefully evaluated before considering vaccination in such cases. Such individuals may be vaccinated with extreme caution, having adequate treatment on hand should a reaction occur (see PRECAUTIONS).{46}
            However, the AAP has stated, “Most children with a history of anaphylactic reactions to eggs have no untoward reactions to measles or MMR vaccine. Persons are not at increased risk if they have egg allergies that are not anaphylactic, and they should be vaccinated in the usual manner. In addition, skin testing of egg-allergic children with vaccine has not been predictive of which children will have an immediate hypersensitivity reaction…Persons with allergies to chickens or chicken feathers are not at increased risk of reaction to the vaccine.”{47}”

            ANAPHYLACTIC egg allergy is a PRECAUTION, not a contraindication. Non anaphylactic egg allergy is not an issue.

          • Funny, what you highlighted just includes gelatin…

            The word “including” in the sentence before “gelatin” does not mean gelatin is the only component of the vaccine (obviously). As it says: “Hypersensitivity to any component of the vaccine…”

          • Katia

            I quoted the part of the package insert that talked about eggs. You, OTOH, in your other post, added the word “eggs” to the package insert information.

          • Are you denying that egg proteins are a component of the vaccine?

          • Katia

            No, but egg allergy is not a contraindication. The package insert itself says that.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            UNLESS there is a hypersensitivity issue

          • Actually, what the package insert states is precisely as I said: that hypersensitivity to “any” of the vaccine’s components is a contraindication. You’ve just acknowledged eggs are a component of the vaccine. Ergo…

          • Mike Stevens

            I see that the problem of pathological lies is not confined to Cia.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Mike… Being a physician you know that it is possible that a hypersensitive reaction can happen… Admittedly they are exceptionally rare and should not be a contraindication… BUT if someone is afraid there may be an issue they should check and see if there is a non-egg alternative…

          • Mike Stevens

            I know Wynema, and agree.
            However it rankles when a journalist alters the wording of a citation to try and prove he is right when he is not.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            I understand… Just trying to keep things real :)

          • suz norkan

            your pathethic…

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Suz Norkan… EXACTLY WHY am I “pathetic” For stating the truth??? (((THIS should be INTERESTING!!!)))

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Actually there are several vaccines that people allergic to eggs should not get… Someone with a hypersensitivity especially. that is a basic and verifiable fact… However there are some of those vaccines that have non-egg alternatives.

        • suz norkan

          everything youve have writen is an error.

        • ione murphy

          Everyting youve written is error. Everything

    • You quote my initial statement about herd immunity and respond to it only, while ignoring the the entire discussion that followed wherein I explained my meaning at some length.

    • Bjorn Fowler

      “It takes 11+ years of education and training to become a scientist and
      yet when it comes to vaccines for some strange reason many people feel
      they can skip the learning process and just wing it.”
      I take it this is including highschool as well as uni?

      • Jack Sprat

        No.

        • Bjorn Fowler

          Then I’m afraid you’re wrong, it’s 3 years for a bachelor, 2 for masters (Of which i’m finishing up), 3 for PhD. That’s only 8. You technically only need a bachelor to be a scientist, but only masters get taken seriously

          • Jack Sprat

            I missed the + sign. My bad. I was including internship and or residency, leading to about 12 or 14 years.

    • ione murphy

      This pathetic excuse of a journelist doesnt know anyting about factchekcing …

  • Reality022

    Jeremy R. Hammond stated, “… there have been 65 deaths since 2003 reported to the nation Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) following vaccination with MMR.”

    Jeremy Hammond,

    Please go here: vaers.hhs(dot)gov/data/index
    and read the first sentence of the VAERS data page.
    What does it say?
    Quote: “When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established.

    Explain to the class what that statement means in regard to assessing adverse event causality from VAERS reports.

    Raw VAERS data cannot be used to say a vaccine caused anything.

    Other warnings and disclaimers about the quality and use of VAERS data from that VAERS data entry page:

    “- When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established.
    – The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.
    – VAERS is a passive reporting system,… Reports vary in quality and completeness. They often lack details and sometimes can have information that contains errors.
    – A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described.
    – It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given.
    – No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report
    – DISCLAIMER: Please note that VAERS staff follow-up on all serious and other selected adverse event reports to obtain additional medical, laboratory, and/or autopsy records to help understand the concern raised.
    – VAERS data should be used with caution as numbers and conditions do not reflect data collected during follow-up.
    – Note that the inclusion of events in VAERS data does not imply causality.”

    In light of the above, attempting to link VAERS reports with actual deaths is quite misleading unless the person doing it is illiterate, wouldn’t you say?

    • I did not claim that causality has been proven for every report to VAERS.

      • Mike Stevens

        You didn’t “claim it”, no, ….you just implied it.

        • There is no such implication in the sentence, which is worded very precisely.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            You correlated them, by definition that is an implication

          • Correlation doesn’t equal causation.

            He pointed out correlations.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            You completely missed my point, by correlating them he was implying a link between them, I know they’re not causation

          • Correlation implies causation?

            Nothing in the sentence implies that causality was proven for the reported deaths.

  • White_and_Nerdy

    Unsurprisingly Mr. Hammond you also fail to understand immunology.

    You wrote:

    “Moreover, because of public vaccine policy, mothers today who were never infected during their childhood and hence never developed robust permanent immunity are unable to protect their newborn babies from the disease in the event of an outbreak.”

    This is simply untrue. Please see table #1 from your Mandomando et al reference.

    FTR: you have many misunderstandings of your references.

    Here are some examples

    1.” Moreover, it is known that vaccinations can modify gene expression,”
    True, but as your reference clearly explains these are immune response genes. They are suppose to be modified by vaccination.

    2. “and certain individuals may be genetically predisposed to having adverse reactions..”
    As your reference points out certain haplotypes appear to cause altered cytokine responses that may cause increased fevers in response to antigens. This is trivial. And, if you believe this is true, then this
    same effect would keep occurring in these individuals from exposure to natural antigens.

    3. “For example, while the flu vaccine offers protection against specific strains of the influenza virus, it works by inducing an antibody response while preventing the cell-mediated immunity that would…” This is not true—see figure 4 of your reference.

    I am sure that we can count on you to fact check with a qualified immunologist and then correct your errors.

    Thanks,

    W&N

    • This is simply untrue.

      I invite you to explain what it is you think is untrue about my statement regarding mothers passing antibodies on to their infants via breastmilk.

      True, but as your reference clearly explains these are immune response genes. They are suppose to be modified by vaccination.

      No, vaccines are not intended to activate asthma and allergy-related genes.

      This is trivial.

      I fail to see how it is “trivial” that certain individuals may be genetically predisposed to certain adverse reactions to vaccines when public policy is one-size-fits-all is “trivial”. This is an emerging field, and you are citing fever as though it was the only adverse reaction to which one may be genetically predisposed, ignoring the possibility that vaccination might contribute to asthma, allergies, and a host of autoimmune diseases.

      • White_and_Nerdy

        Now Mr. Hammond,

        “I invite you to explain what it is you think is untrue about my statement regarding mothers passing antibodies on to their infants via breastmilk.”

        I already proved your was incorrect:

        ““Moreover, because of public vaccine policy, mothers today who were never infected during their childhood and hence never developed robust permanent immunity are unable to protect their newborn babies from the disease in the event of an outbreak.”

        Again the data is in table #1 of your reference. Can you truly not read it correctly?

        “No, vaccines are not intended to activate asthma and allergy-related genes.”

        Since you clearly have no idea what you are talking about it is inevitable that your conclusions are incorrect.

        “I fail to see how…” Exactly. You don’t understand the science so you should follow investigative journalism 101 standards and fact-check.

        FYI: the vaccine schedule is not “one-size fits all”
        http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html

        Anytime you want to start fact-checking…

        W&N

      • This is the main problem with the pro-vaccine ideologues…and the reason they are so adamant in promoting vaccination. They don’t believe in adverse reactions. Heck, in the hearing for SB277 in California Senator Pan, who himself is a pediatrician and is fully aware of the existence of VAERS and NVICP, stated quite matter-of-factly that “adverse reactions are a construction made up by the anti-vaxxers” (paraphrasing but it’s close).

        Just yesterday we saw a new paper come out explaining that yeah, the GSK H1N1 flu vaccine really did cause narcolepsy in some children. Narcolepsy in this context is a long-term and possibly permanent condition believed to be caused by an autoimmune insult. This is the type of “immune responses” White_and_Nerdy is talking about.

        • VikingAPRNCNP

          http://acsh.org/2015/01/majority-children-vaccine-injury-pre-existing-conditions/

          Another discussion of the false claims of vaccine injury…..

          • Interesting that a retrospective study looking at NVICP reports is taken as gospel when it supports the pro-vaccine ideologue position, but when a similar (and much larger) Pace Law Review survey study found a significant number of children who had received compensation for vaccine injuries from NVICP were in fact diagnosed with autism, it is immediately discounted as “junk science”.

            This is how you people define “junk science”, its basically any science that doesn’t agree with your claims that vaccines are perfectly safe and very effective.

            As for the study you cite, it looked at a very narrow range of conditions (2 to be precise) and only included 165 reports. And even when pre-existing conditions are found in children who suffered vaccine reactions, that does not mean that whatever happened to them could not have been caused by the vaccine. In fact, some preexisting conditions would invariably make children MORE vulnerable to vaccine reactions.

            As for the cleverly named industry front group which is presenting your “study”, here is a bit more about them so people can judge for themselves about the credibility of this group and their possible motivations.

            http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/American_Council_on_Science_and_Health

            “Some of the products ACSH has defended over the years include DDT, asbestos, and Agent Orange, as well as common pesticides. ACSH has often called environmentalists and consumer groups “terrorists,” arguing that their criticisms and concerns about potential health and environmental risks are threats to society.[2]

            ACSH has been funded by big agri-businesses and trade groups like Kellogg, General Mills, Pepsico, and the American Beverage Association, among others. See Funding below for more.”

            http://www.truthwiki.org/the_american_council_on_science_and_health/

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            http://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(14)01021-X/fulltext

            Results

            The VICP retrieved 165 claims that had sufficient clinical information for review. Approximately 80% of these alleged an injury associated with whole-cell diphtheria, pertussis (whooping cough), and tetanus or tetanus, diphtheria toxoids, and acellular pertussis vaccine. Pre-existing seizures were found in 13% and abnormal findings on a neurologic examination before the alleged vaccine injury in 10%. A final diagnostic impression of seizure disorder was established in 69%, of whom 17% (28 patients) had myoclonic epilepsy, including possible severe myoclonic epilepsy of infancy. Specific conditions not caused by immunization, such as tuberous sclerosis and cerebral dysgenesis, were identified in 16% of subjects.

  • If I, now having read the vaccine product inserts, could go back to my childhood and actually choose whether to get them or not, I would choose not to. Nor will I choose to get any I did not receive in childhood. So you see your assertion is false.

  • White_and_Nerdy

    Mr. Hammond,

    Vaccine safety data is important enough that you need to get it right.

    For example, you clearly don’t understand vaccine inserts. You missed this key sentence from the MMR insert:

    “The following adverse reactions are listed in decreasing order of severity, without regard to causality,…”

    Please fact-check with a qualified scientist and then revise this assay since you clearly don’t understand the data or its analysis or interpretation.

    Thanks

    W&N

    • If you think there is any factual error in the article, you are welcome to point it out. The statement you quote from the product insert changes nothing of what I wrote.

      • Trulyunbelievable2020

        Multiple factual errors have been identified. Do you plan to correct them?

        • Mike Stevens

          Well Jeremy has quietly backtracked on one error I picked him up on.

          He originally said: “Moreover, because of public vaccine policy, mothers today who were never infected during their childhood and hence never developed robust permanent immunity are unable to protect their newborn babies from the disease in the event of an outbreak.”

          He has now changed his article to say:
          “Moreover, because of public vaccine policy, mothers today who were never infected during their childhood and hence never developed robust permanent immunity are less able to protect their newborn babies from the disease in the event of an outbreak.”

          Trouble is, that took me about an hour of patient persuasion for a single result.
          I just haven’t the time to persuade him about the other 153 factual errors in his article.

          • Katia

            Good work Mike!

          • Well Jeremy has quietly backtracked on one error I picked him up on.

            Why the adverb “quietly”? I said in the comments I would clarify the statement and also published a notification of the correction with the article.

      • ione murphy

        I made plenty of efforts to point out this error months ago in another news article but it still stands.

        What do think of news reporters who make these kind of errors? Or is this just another example of fear-mongering?

        Catherine Troisi is an Infectious Disease Epidemiologist at the University of Texas School of Public Health. She wrote an article for the Houston Chronicle that claims..

        “Back in the 1990s (yes, 1990s, not 1890s), THREE OUT OF 100 children infected died from the virus and three out of 10 survived with serious complications. We still do not have treatment”

        http://www.chron.com/opinion/outlook/article/Troisi-Measles-epidemic-may-be-difficult-to-stop-6053812.php

        When the CDC claims-

        27,672* measles cases in the United States for 1990

        A provisional total of 89 measles-associated deaths were reported, for a death-to-case ratio of 3.2 DEATHS PER 1000 REPORTED CASES.

        Complications were reported in 6274 (22.7%) cases, including diarrhea in 2606 (9.4%), otitis media in 1829 (6.6%), pneumonia in 1803 (6.5%), and encephalitis in 36 (0.1%).

        http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00001999.htm

        Which begs a question. Why did we have such a high death toll for the amount of cases in 1990? Or are the numbers even correct?

        Outbreaks recently is rural China have had 123,000 cases with 55 deaths, and South Korea had 55,000 cases of measles and 7 deaths. Why would our rates of death be so much higher here in the U.S. in 1990 where we had better living conditions and better healthcare?

        • White_and_Nerdy

          Correction, you post a lot of nonsense that you have zero understanding of.

          A scientist can easily explain the different death rates reported for different years.
          It just begs the question why you never care enough about our children to ask qualified scientists?

          W&N

          • ione murphy

            So you are saying that the death toll quoted by the reporter is correct? That 3 out of every 100 died from measles in 1990? I don’t need to be a scientist to know factual errors when I see one.

      • White_and_Nerdy

        Now Mr. Hammond a number of factual and conceptual errors have been pointed out to.

        You just refuse to fact-check every single time. Why exactly is that?

        W&N

        • I have made two corrections to the article, which is precisely the number of factual errors that have thus far been pointed out to me.

  • Trulyunbelievable2020

    I’m still not sure what “conversation” we’re supposed to be having about vaccination.

    • Katia

      Oh, you know, the same one we have about “is red a prettier color than blue”; “thick crust or thin for pizza”, “should we walk or take the bus”, you know, things where every person’s opinion is correct. You know, because immunizations is all a matter of “feelings”.

      • Trulyunbelievable2020

        I think we need to have a conversation about our freedom to choose which side of the road to drive on. What the mainstream media won’t tell you is that most deaths occur in the right hand lane. That’s why I drive on the left. Why would anyone have a problem with that?

  • cabcabal

    Since when is it a choice between the vaccine or the disease? … pro-vaxxers keep completely missing the most important part of risk assessment: chance of infection.

  • Reality022

    This article is merely a travelogue of the main dishonest and ignorant talking points of the anti-vaccine cult. It would be excusable if a person thought it was ghost written by Mike “The DeRanger” Adams and Barbara Low Fisher.

    It contains virtually every debunked delusion in the anti-vaccine cult’s catechism.

    Well done Jeremy R. Hammond.

  • Mike Stevens

    Yes, I read them.
    Do you know that manufacturers are required by law to mention all events that are reported following vaccination, even if there is no suggestion of causality?
    That is why the vaccine insert comes with the following caveat:
    .

    • Which just goes to the point that proper safety studies of vaccines are grievously lacking.

      • Mike Stevens

        If you are duty bound in “proper studies” to report everything, whether related or not, and that is put into the vaccine insert…it doesn’t mean the study is a poor one in safety terms, in fact it says the opposite – safety is taken so seriously that incidents like accidental drowning and motor vehicle accidents can end up appearing in the list of “adverse events”, as they famously did in the Tripedia insert.

        • I feel so much better now that you’ve explained to me how Big Pharma would never put profits before the health of our children.

          • Mike Stevens

            I suspect you’d probably feel even “better” once kids are dying in cities across the country from measles.

  • Mike Stevens

    Jeremy, it behoves you to investigate and accurately report the evidence on vaccines, and not impart your ideological antivaccine spin on them. Your article is full of half truths, untruths and misinterpretations (some of which seem to be deliberate).

    Let’s look at your section on maternal protection in measles as one example. You stated:
    “Moreover, because of public vaccine policy, mothers today who were never infected during their childhood and hence never developed robust permanent immunity are unable to protect their newborn babies from the disease in the event of an outbreak.”

    Now that isn’t correct – mothers who have been vaccinated against measles as children themselves ARE able to protect their newborn babies. The protection may not be as robust as that conferred from mothers who have recovered from natural measles, but you cannot deny that it exists. You are rather unsubtly deploying the Nirvana fallacy (“if it isn’t perfect, it must be useless”)

    The Mozambique study you cite to support your claim indicates you have not really understood their research findings or the discussion/conclusions. The paper does not indicate that vaccinated mothers had lower levels of measles specific antibody, they hypothesised that one reason the younger mothers overall had lower levels of breast milk antibodies was that this group were more likely to have been vaccinated as opposed to having natural measles and so had lower levels of antibody.

    Another reason for low antibody levels may have been the effects of maternal HIV infection, which reached 21% in pregnant women. This is a significant confounding variable in the study, and the study not only did not ascertain which of the mothers with low antibodies were vaccinated, they did not determine which ones had had HIV, making this an important factor to consider.

    Their study also looked at kids who had and had not been vaccinated, and found low protective levels in the vaccinated. However, antibodies represent only one arm of the immune response to vaccine. Measles vaccine does stimulate cell-mediated immunity, and long term protective T cell responses are important, as the authors point out (“However, the role of cell-mediated immunity (CMI), which was not assessed in this study, should be taken into consideration because previous studies have shown early initiation of CMI in the absence of antibodies and in patients with agammaglobulinemia recover from infection and remain protected.”) There is also a significant anamnestic response when exposure to measles happens which helps provide further protection in the vaccinated.

    Finally, one reason you state that vaccinated mothers confer lower levels of protection is that because they are from a vaccinated population, there is less natural measles around to provide a natural immune boost when they come into contact with wild measles. This may be true, but just think about what you are saying:
    1. You think it preferable for women in the 3rd world to raise infants in an unvaccinated population which has endemic measles (15% mortality in the kids), just so that the infected, sickened kids can provide an immune boost to the older/pregnant women, so as to minimally improve their theoretical level of protection to their own infants following birth? What is the benefit there? Do you really think mothers will be happy they are trading off a tiny reduction in the chance their infants will get measles in the first year of life against the up to 15% certainty their kids will die from measles when they are 2 or 3 years old?
    2. Throughout history (around 1000 AD until the 1960s anyhow) mothers have lived and given birth in communities where measles has been endemic. Yet despite this representing the “ideal” situation you wish for to “protect” infants through maternal immunity, the incidence and death rates in infants has been horrific, particularly in the 3rd world. If that represents your strategy to stop deaths from measles, think again. Vaccination is now making significant inroads into Africa and other developing parts of the world, and in its wake dramatic drops in measles morbidity have followed. About 10 years ago 600,000 kids died every year – last year that had reduced to 145,000, and all the reduction takes place in countries which vaccinate.

    As the study indicated: “In the Manhiça District, despite a high reported vaccination coverage rate, 265 cases of measles were reported during 2001–2004 with 8 deaths during July 2001–September 2004”
    Now I’d reckon that reducing deaths from measles in a poor area of rural Africa from what originally must have been many hundreds of deaths every year to an average of 2 deaths per year represents resounding success for vaccination. Not “Nirvana” perfect, no, and it could be better, but it is still quite amazing.

    • Trulyunbelievable2020

      It almost sounds like you read and understood the studies you cited.

      • Mike Stevens

        Yup. As an infection physician, understanding those type of studies is part of my training.

        • It is good that you understand, then, how public policy has shifted the risk burden in the event of an outbreak from those in whom the disease is generally well-tolerated onto the most vulnerable members of society.

          • Trulyunbelievable2020

            It was already explained to you that the total number of the “most vulnerable members of society” affected by measles would b far higher without vaccination than it is without vaccination.

            I believe you gave some non-response about children not being statistics or something.

          • Mike Stevens

            Or: “One death is a catastrophe, one million is a statistic”.
            That’s how these people truly value the lives of children.

          • ciaparker2

            As is your reasoning on vaccines: one in a million (really closer to one in two) severely damaged or killed by vaccines is worth the cost. But you care nothing for the lives of children, only for using them as suits your need to support your pro-vaccine progaganda.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Close to 1 in 2? Then explain why when my primary school had everyone vaccinated, none of my friends died or were severely (or even slightly) harmed?
            You’re just full of s**t, pushing anti vaxx propaganda

          • ciaparker2

            At this time, nearly half of children have allergies, whether respiratory, skin, or food allergies, and nearly all of them are caused by vaccines. One in nine American children has asthma (pertussis vaccine). One in fifty has peanut allergy (usually HIb vaccine). One in six has a learning disability, one in ten bowel disease, one in ten ADHD, one in 36 autism. Now tell me how many in your primary school (in the last few decades) suffered from any of these conditions?

          • Bjorn Fowler

            “At this time, nearly half of children have allergies, whether
            respiratory, skin, or food allergies, and nearly all of them are caused
            by vaccines.”

            And the proof that vaccines are the cause? I would like to see it.

          • ciaparker2

            So look at the proof. Google the question. Read a few of the many books on the subject recommended by me and dozens of others on many occasions. Ask Amazon for books on vaccine damage. This morning I reread the chapter on vaccine damage in a book by the holistic veterinarian Don Hamilton, with both scientific studies cited and many examples of animals he had seen in his practice who had suffered extreme and unmistakable vaccine damage. I reread more examples last week in Dr. Marty Goldstein’s book on his experience as a holistic veterinarian. Vaccines have destroyed the health of a large percentage of our cats and dogs (as well as our children and ourselves).

          • transportjohnny

            CIA….stay on point….this is not the best way to argue our points.

            Bjorn…..correlation does not equal causation…..blah, blah, blah….Saying this is like saying the sun does not cause sunburn…….it is just a correlation don’t ya know. We know better as we do with vaccines. It is about managing risk. But for those with the highest risk…also have those risks with forced vaccines.

            Agreed that, It is WAY MORE complex than even this article points out. However, vaccines can and do cause damage…..JUST LIKE THE BACTERIA AND VIRUSES DO THEM SELVES. Knowing this and requesting/demanding safer vaccines, more individualized schedules, testing before administering, keeping the opt out rules in place…….are very pragmatic requests. What are extremes is saying….”there is NO Link” a forced one size fits all approach….a failure to compel docs to report ALL adverse reactions not matter how minor…so as to extrapolate data in the short, mid and long term consequences.

            While I disagree somewhat with CIA that ALL Vaccines go the way of the dinosaur(i think she believes this)….it is an absolute that vaccines do cause damage to the immune system with regard to immune dysregulation, autism, Pandas, Pans, allergies, asthma…..and the list could go on.

            This article is a very well written one with many valid points. The truth is always somewhere in the middle…….Problem is really the only group saying 100% certainty is the med community……..and even this is starting to crack under the shear amount of docs seeing 1st hand adverse reactions in their patients. Most pragmatic “anti-vaxxers” are NOT anti-vax, but cautious and wanting choice based on personal experience. I would hardle call us extreme.

          • ciaparker2

            It is one of many ways to argue our points. Vaccines are dangerous for pets in the same ways in which they are dangerous to humans: they stimulate an excessive immune response and they sensitize the immune system to vaccine ingredients, causing autoimmune disease. They no longer give vaccines in the scruff of a cat’s neck, because everyone has recognized that the vaccines not infrequently cause cancer at the injection site, and so they give the injections in the limbs so that they may be amputated if a cancer starts at the injection site. So feline distemper, front right leg, rabies back right leg, feline leukemia back left leg, so they can tell which vaccine caused the cancer to report it to the manufacturer. We are animals, and vaccines do the same things to us as to our pets. I am actually going to get two parvo and two distemper vaccines for our puppy at 9 and 14 weeks, no more than that, Nobivac DP (none of the other six vaccines often packed into one shot). And a rabies shot at 20 to 24 weeks old. I am not completely anti-vaccine. For humans, I’d say maybe the dT or DT series after the age of two, for tetanus protection, but I do so very cautiously: tetanus is and would be very rare even if no one vaccinated, the vaccine is usually but not always safe, and usually but not always effective. The disease can be devastating, but can be treated with high-dose intravenous vitamin C. So there are definitely arguments to be made both for and against the vaccine. If polio came back here, I’d say research it carefully, look at the current situation, where and how many polio cases there had been, and consider getting it. However, I also think that taking the homeopathic nosodes offers very good protection with none of the risks of vaccines, and I’d recommend that people research that option as well. That being said, my daughter and I have been damaged enough by vaccines and will never take another one.

          • transportjohnny

            While agreeing with almost 100% of what your saying….I choose to keep it simple, argue the points needing argued and provoke thought. We can’t look like the stupid video down below(above) about what anti-vaxers look like to regular people that Brooke posted. I understand what you are saying……just try not to get too deep in the weeds……I hope you understand what I am saying.

            Agreed….I have had one flu vax in my life. I have talked to so many that got it and got the flu anyways. People don’t want to think for themselves….Gone are the days of getting sick, taking zinc, vit C and A to boost the immune system up. We really have become wussy-like and want to hit the easy button and make what should be our responsibility somebody elses. I guess that is progress.

          • ciaparker2

            I think there are growing numbers of people who believe in alternative methods of preventing or treating communicable diseases. I agree that we have been deceived into believing that there are easy answers: one prick and you’re safe from whatever disease, with no cost beyond momentary pain. And you are doing your civic part to protect others, even if you yourself are not afraid of pertussis or the flu. But more and more people are waking up, and everyone knows on some level that there’s no such thing as a free lunch. And everyone at this point has seen the vaccine-damaged (especially autism), those who were adults twenty or thirty years ago remember that they were NOT around before (and NOT dumped at chimerical institutions in the country). Many people now struggle with allergies, asthma, bowel disease, etc. etc., and are paying attention to the many books and articles now which explain how vaccines have caused most cases of these conditions. The allegiance of most of the vaccine defenders is so obvious, so contemptible, that I don’t think many people reading these blogs are persuaded by their arguments, and I’m pretty sure that a lot of readers are really turned off by them and start thinking about what their massive presence means.

          • transportjohnny

            Yeah, I think the cool-aid drinking sheeple are really starting to wake up. Problem is we only have one shot to raise our kids. Then we are on to retirement and death. While I agree that many vaccines have been ultimately helpful…..I think we are overdue for a true review of what is actually and absolutely necessary, possibly needed and what can go away. We have way too many issues with immune related issues……BUT, if you have not experienced it first hand…..you don’t get it. With the higher concentrations of adverse events…..comes the higher degree of push back and awareness……these are good things………Only problem is the govt starting to force the issue in response. God help us!!!

          • ciaparker2

            Did you see that Euractive published an article about Europeans turning against vaccines? 10% were wary of them in 2005, and in 2010, it was 40%. Most European countries don’t mandate any, and growing numbers are not taking them. France still mandates the DPT, but many object to it as an unreasonable risk to ask them to take. I’m sure that we’re all headed in the same direction. When my daughter was born, I said I DIDN’T want her to get the hep-B vaccine (they gave it to her anyway without asking permission, and she reacted with encephalitis and autism). I DID want her to get the DTaP, but the booster at 18 months erased her only two words and she was diagnosed with autism two months later. At 8 months she had gotten pertussis despite having had three DTaP shots, and gave it to me. But pertussis is just not a dangerous disease anymore, and we both made a complete recovery after a very unpleasant long-lasting cough. I made the decision to permit it without knowing enough about how the disease had declined so much in virulence or about the dangers even of the new DTaP. I DID want her to get the polio and Hib vaccines (but refused the fourth Hib vaccine after I had started reading about vaccines). And again, I didn’t realize how unnecessary it was to get the polio vaccine, or how my extended breast feeding and keeping her at home, not daycare, meant that she had virtually no chance of getting HIb meningitis, it was just foolishly running a risk to get her the vaccine. She didn’t have any (obvious) reaction to the three polios and three Hibs she got with my permission. I refused the MMR and the varicella vaccine, knowing how mild the diseases nearly always are. She got chickenpox and recovered uneventfully from it, just as I had hoped she would do. I thought I was being reasonable in permitting the vaccines I did, but at this time in my life, I don’t think I made the right choice to have permitted any of the vaccines. I’ve read a lot about all the vaccines and all the diseases, with resources I didn’t have fifteen years ago, and I think that every vaccine is often SO dangerous and disabling, that they just aren’t worth the risk involved.

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Actually the anti-vacc’s have gotten so egregiously dishonest and dangerous that there are now a number of legal actions in various countries against them.

            The only question left is how many anti-vaccs end up in prison?

          • ciaparker2

            http://www.euractiv.com/sections/health-consumers/distrust-vaccinations-rise-across-eu-313296
            Distrust of vaccination is rising across the E.U. You think that the government can force the populace to do what is dangerous forever? You have not studied the history of social change or revolutions. Do you remember the millions killed by Stalin and those imprisoned and killed in the Gulag archipelago? This is a question of human rights.

          • Frank T. Rambøl

            Actually, after the incidents with measels etc that have been lately the vaccination rate is increasing over here.

          • ione murphy

            In 2006 it was revealed that Bayer Corporation had discovered that their injection drug, which was used by hemophiliacs, was contaminated with the HIV virus. Internal documents prove that after they knew the drug was contaminated, and they took it off the U.S. market, they dumped it in Europe, Asia and South America, knowingly exposing thousands, most of them children, to the live HIV virus. Government officials in France went to prison for allowing the drug to be distributed. The documents show that the FDA colluded with Bayer to cover-up the scandal and allowed the deadly drug to be distributed globally. No Bayer executives ever faced arrest or prosecution in the United States.

            Thousands of hemophiliacs filed a class-action lawsuit a against Bayer Corp, Baxter Healthcare Corp., and several other companies, claiming they knowingly sold blood contaminated with HIV and hepatitis C. Thousands of hemophiliacs have unnecessarily died from AIDS and many thousands more are infected with HIV or hepatitis C, many of them children.

            ByJim EdwardsMoneyWatchJanuary 28, 2011, 5:25 PM

            Bayer Admits It Paid “Millions” in HIV Infection Cases — Just Not in English

            http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bayer-admits-it-paid-millions-in-hiv-infection-cases-just-not-in-english/

          • Mike Stevens

            We can’t look like the stupid video down below(above) about what anti-vaxers look like to regular people that Brooke posted. I understand what you are saying……just try not to get too deep in the weeds……I hope you understand what I am saying.”

            I am afraid Cia is a lost cause. She will never understand what you are saying.
            The more she posts, the more ridiculous the antivaccine position appears to be. I bet you’d wish she’d just zip up and stop commenting, but with a pathological liar like her, that ain’t gonna happen.

          • transportjohnny

            No actually I don’t…….I think we all need to discuss issues of the day without casting aspersions, listening to one another and not just hearing.

            Wow, Mike that is a pretty heavy judgement!!! I am sure you cant truly believe pathological liar……different point of view perhaps……..how smart can you be to cast that type of aspersion …….on someone on the internet……… whom you have never met. I just don’t get it how you can get there.

            This division in our country really is not about the vaccines themselves…..It is about forced vaccination that are not 100% safe for all people. It is about un-informed consent where the peds just say initial here. What if the peds all said…we are going to vax for x,y or z…..Please go to the CDC website and download the vax info sheet………

            BTW——– Are they safe 100% of the time?? yes or no. I think we both know that answer which leads us to how to fix the issue and the divisions within the med community and parents.

            I just read some of your comments on you page……..I just sit in awe of people, like your self, who say vaccines are 100% safe, DAN and alternative docs are quacks that are treating ASD and other immune related issues with supplements…… but really have NO First Hand experience with an adverse reaction or supplements.

            There is a reason why the quacks and supplement pushers such as Vitamin Shoppes, GNC and others are popping up everywhere, and supplements can be found at every store. Maybe it is main stream medicine just ain’t cutting it any more.

            Again, I was encouraging CIA not to get into the weeds……same can be said for you…..before you judge…..make sure you understand what your saying.

          • Mike Stevens

            Please link to any comments of mine where I say vaccines are 100% safe.

            I will give £10,000 to a charity of your choice for every one you find

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Gosh Cia,

            Google still works.

            “It has been suggested that vaccination could be a risk factor for FISS (Cancer), but the evidence for a causal relationship is weak,”

            It is trivial see how in national media you have been provided with the facts and
            yet year after year after year you ignore the truth and just keep on knowingly
            posting false claims….

            W&N

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            I just had lol as vaccinations updated. They were all done subcutaneous in the scruff of the neck……

            Another fabrication…..

          • ciaparker2

            From http://www.petmd.com/blogs/fullyvetted/2013/nov/are-tail-vaccines-safer-for-cats-31036: “Even though injection site sarcomas are not all that common, they are devastating when they occur. The only hope for a cure is to remove the mass and as much surrounding tissue as possible.

            This presented a problem when veterinarians gave most vaccinations under the scruff of a cat’s neck. There is simply little chance of getting wide enough surgical margins in this area before you start running into vital structures. Because of this, most veterinarians switched to giving vaccinations low down (below the elbow or knee) on cats’ legs. If a sarcoma did develop, we could then amputate the leg and give the cat the best chance of survival possible.”
            LOL at your complete cluelessness and willing to wing it with your party line of vaccines are always safe for everyone. My cat in the ’80s was given vaccines in the scruff of her neck. That was just when it was getting common to give cats vaccines, and they quickly realized that a lot of them were getting deadly vaccine-site sarcomas, which came right back after surgery. And so they switched to giving the injections in the limbs, even the tail, so that if the vaccine caused a deadly cancer, the whole limb or tail could be cut off without killing the animal, and everyone hoped that it had not yet metastasized.
            Shouldn’t you EVEN google it when you learn something new about the dangers of vaccines?

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            RESULTS: The incidence risk of FISS per year was estimated to be 1/16,000 -50,000 cats registered by practices, 1/10,000-20,000 cat consultations and 1/5,000-12,500 vaccination visits.

            CONCLUSION: When interpreting these findings, it needs to be taken into consideration that this sample of practices and their cats may not be representative of veterinary practices and cats at risk of FISS in the UK. However it can still be concluded with reasonable certainty that the incidence of FISS in the UK is very low.
            The incidence of feline injection site sarcomas in the United Kingdom.

            Dean RS, et al. BMC Vet Res. 2013.

            Authors

            Dean RS1, Pfeiffer DU, Adams VJ.

            Author information1School of Veterinary Medicine and Science, University of Nottingham, Sutton Bonington Campus, Loughborough, LE12 5RD, UK. Rachel.Dean@nottingham.ac.uk

            Citation

            BMC Vet Res. 2013 Jan 22;9:17. doi: 10.1186/1746-6148-9-17.

            The incidence of fuss is quite low. The relative risk is the question you always refuse to answer. Rabies and feline leukemia are 100% fatal.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            bstract

            Feline immunodeficiency virus (FIV) and feline leukemia virus (FeLV) are retroviruses found within domestic and wild cat populations. These viruses cause severe illnesses that eventually lead to death. Housing cats communally for long periods of time makes shelters at high risk for virus transmission among cats. We tested 548 cats from 5 different sites across the island of Newfoundland for FIV and FeLV. The overall seroprevalence was 2.2% and 6.2% for FIV and FeLV, respectively

            Seroprevalence of feline immunodeficiency virus (FIV) and feline leukemia virus (FeLV) in shelter cats on the island of Newfoundland, Canada.

            Munro HJ, et al. Can J Vet Res. 2014.

            Authors

            Munro HJ1, Berghuis L1, Lang AS1, Rogers L1,Whitney H1.

            Author information1Department of Biology, Memorial University of Newfoundland, St. John’s, Newfoundland and Labrador A1B 3X9 (Munro, Berghuis, Lang); Animal Health Division, Department of Natural Resources, P.O. Box 7400, St. John’s, Newfoundland and Labrador A1E 3Y5 (Rogers, Whitney).

            Citation

            Can J Vet Res. 2014 Apr;78(2):140-4.

            At 4 cases per hundred the relative risk for feline leukemia is around 25 tmes greater than the risk for injection site sarcomas.

            Here is the difference between a secondary source vs a peer reviewed source. The peer reviewed source allows for informed decisions. The numbers that I am using would be even stronger if I had time to find a metaanalysis.

          • Katia

            Yes, let’s have a hijack about pet immunizations!

          • ciaparker2

            It’s the same problem in both pets and humans, but the problems with vaccines are more readily seen in pets who have received the yearly booster shots which have been standard practice for the last thirty years, not because they were necessary, but, like baby well (shot) visits, were an excuse to make more money by pushing vaccines. And so the situation of severely damaged pets is a clear picture of what’s happening to humans as well, magnified, because of the greater frequency of giving a huge number of vaccines and the pets’ shorter lifespans.

          • sabelmouse

            here in ireland the still do give then in the neck.

          • ciaparker2

            I’m sure the practice will change. I took our cat first to my neighbor’s vet for the distemper shot and to have a photo taken to use to look for the original owner (ha ha, a wonderful cat and he was just dumped in freezing cold weather), and she gave it to him in the front right leg. She gives my neighbors’ cats yearly boosters, which have damaged their health, one has diabetes, which never used to be seen in cats. I later took him to my vet, who gave him the rabies shot in the right rear leg. She doesn’t give live or adjuvanted vaccines, says that recombinant vaccines (Merial) are totally safe (I’ve told her that my daughter reacted with encephalitis to a recombinant hep-B vaccine, that they are NOT safe). Both vets were familiar with the problem of vaccines causing aggressive cancers at the injection site, and both gave the injections in the limbs rather than in the scruff of the neck, where it would not be possible to completely excise a tumor. My vet was familiar with the modern recommendation by veterinary associations AGAINST yearly boosters, but I have a feeling that she’s willing to give them for those who are uninformed on the issue. Eventually all these practices will change everywhere, but it will take a while. Cool that you guys don’t have to worry about rabies over there! We have raccoons that come up on the deck every night, who might conceivably carry rabies.

          • sabelmouse

            vets, like doctors seem to just go along with the program a lot. i’m sure glad about the rabies, a fear i grew up with in germany.

          • sabelmouse

            bad vets!!! same here in eire.

          • Hans Meyer

            “Vaccines are dangerous for pets…”

            Vaccinations Made My Cat Autistic

            [snip]

            The realization came shortly after my cat’s vaccinations last year – for rabies and feline distemper. My veterinarian insisted that vaccination was “required by law” and that it was “extremely important to the health of my cat” and that without vaccination my cat could “get really sick and die,” but I should have known better. I soon learned from holistic reading materials that vaccination = autism.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Oh god, holistic reading materials, the opposite of fact, logic and reason.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            “Agreed that, It is WAY MORE complex than even this article points out.
            However, vaccines can and do cause damage…..JUST LIKE THE BACTERIA AND
            VIRUSES DO THEM SELVES”
            “it is an absolute that vaccines do cause damage to the immune system
            with regard to immune dysregulation, autism, Pandas, Pans, allergies,
            asthma…..and the list could go on.”

            NO THEY DON’T! There are no studies to actually support those claims.
            And you included autism again. IT WAS DISPROVEN.

            REPEATEDLY

            Jesus Christ you people are hopeless.

          • transportjohnny

            If not but for…….. There is an obvious genetic link….yes…..but vaccines are NOT SAFE for everyone, do illicit adverse reactions and what follow many times is diagnosed as ASD and a whole host of other things…….

            If there is no proof, why do so many….and…..more and more parents becoming cautious?? If there is NO evidence…..this defies logic and reasoning.

            Most don’t even know what Autism is…..I didn’t…..do you know??? Splain it to me expert!!!!

            I just realized something……this is the reason why Most all mainstream med people say there is nothing that can help these kids……It’s because they do not know what causes it…….However, there are docs that do know and are helping them.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            “If there is no proof, why do so many….and…..more and more parents
            becoming cautious?? If there is NO evidence…..this defies logic and
            reasoning.”
            You’re right, it does defy logic and reasoning. There are people like mercola who continue to spread misrepresent info and even straight lies about vaccines. The parent read those and get scared of them. The evidence however is not present

            “I just realized something……this is the reason why Most all
            mainstream med people say there is nothing that can help these
            kids……It’s because they do not know what causes it…….However,
            there are docs that do know and are helping them.”
            the causes of autism are largely unknown, but through multiple studies, vaccines have been ruled out.
            genetics is believed the be the main cause with some environmental factors at work.
            However NO doctor knows what causes it, it is still an area of research. I’m not a doctor though, my degree is in microbiology and immunology.

          • transportjohnny

            TYour right….genetics are a huge part of it. But proof can be found…..But they cannot explain the huge ramp up in ADHD, Apraxia, Dyspraxia, Allergies, Asthma, pandas, pans, anxiety, and a plethora(you name it) of other “behavioral” stuff including Autism. I think really the research needs to go in the direction of neuro-immune syndromes. Swedo and Madeliene Cunningham and immune stimulation/dysregulation resulting in auto-immune issues. The latest breakthrough linking the immune system with the brain is undermining years of what we thought we knew. The med community is so rearward thinking. We need more pioneers looking to prove the previously disproved. Just because there is no “proof” does not mean it doesn’t exist. See articles below.

            http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/06/150601122445.htm
            http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/294965.php

            When we are artificially stimulating the brain or over-stimulating with too many vaccines all at once or in series…….vaccines and their effect MUST be considered in conjunction with genetics.

            I have never followed Mercola and what he has said…..but I absolutely subscribe to what NON main stream docs are doing to treat ASD and others above. Treating the methylation cycle with high dose vitamins, debulking any infections, limiting immune stimulation as it pertains to allergies and food allergies and future infections, controlling inflammation with diet adjustments…..whole and organic foods. Limiting processed foods. These are science based approaches that are very comprehensive and thorough.

            Many of the allergy warnings on vaccines are protein allergies. Maybe that could be a qualifying questions upon vaccines. “do you or your family have any food allergies??? Just a thought.

            My kids are vaxed up to 12yo. However, we have had adverse reactions to vaccines AND other infections. So I have seen first hand what infections, co-infections AND vaccines can do to a genetically susceptible person. I am not one that says NO to vaxxing, I am just advocating against the “one size fits all” approach and education prior to vaxxing.

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Gosh Cia,

            Google works. Using only our basic reading skills we can all see that you have been provided with the proof that your sources lie about animal vaccines. You just choose to keep making the same assertions in spite to the facts…

            W&N

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            2 minutes on pubmed and I discounted her claim…

          • Bjorn Fowler

            “This morning I reread the chapter on vaccine damage in a book by the
            holistic veterinarian Don Hamilton, with both scientific studies cited
            and many examples of animals he had seen in his practice who had
            suffered extreme and unmistakable vaccine damage”
            You know holistic means he rejects modern medicine right, you don’t see a bias there?

          • ciaparker2

            No, Drs. Hamilton and Goldstein use the drugs and treatments of standard allopathic veterinary practice when they think it’s appropriate, but also use alternative therapies. If you were to read their books, you’d be impressed by their intelligence and compassion.

          • Bjorn Fowler

            Actually since most alternative remedies are little more than placebo, I highly doubt it.

          • Katia

            You have no proof, eh, cia?

          • ciaparker2
          • Hans Meyer

            “Read these studies…”

            Read these quotes of yours and get back to us…

            Posted Tuesday, January 11, 2011

            “I had shingles when my daughter was nearly two, and I deliberately gave it to her…”

            Posted Thursday, May 28, 2015:

            “Measles is good for healthy children to get. … I would like my daughter to get it, as it would be the best thing for her longterm health, but at this time, very few people get it as the vaccine has made it so rare. I wanted my daughter to get chickenpox, but was worried she wouldn’t have the opportunity, but she caught it from me when I had a mild case of shingles when she was nearly two. I still wish she could get measles and mumps.”

            Posted Thursday, May 28, 2015

            “Having measles and mumps would be good for her longterm health, and I hope she may still have the opportunity of getting them.”

            Posted Friday, May 29, 2015

            “I would be glad for my daughter to get the natural disease …”

            Posted Friday, May 29, 2015

            “That’s why I’m advocating deliberately giving the natural disease to schoolgirls…”

            Of course, what else would one expect from someone who champions the one person responsible for the Disneyland measles outbreak (as highlighted here), and who admits she doesn’t even read facts (“No, I haven’t read the studies cited…”).

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            Have you heard of pubmed? That is.reputable not the university of google.

          • Indeed, I encourage parents to go to PubMed.gov and do their own research.

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Actually Cia has already posted 100% of her “proof”.

            W&N

          • Bjorn Fowler

            So baseless accusations then

          • Bjorn Fowler

            ” one in 36 autism” The autism link was disproven in over a dozen studies. The fact you claim this brings your sources validity into question

          • ciaparker2

            But many more have supported the fact that vaccines cause autism. Period. Pharma-funded studies WILL tend to come up with what they have been paid to come up with. Google the hundred links in Ginger Taylor’s list: “No Evidence of Any Link?” , to studies showing how vaccines cause autism.

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Yes Cia,

            Google Ginger’s link and read the words and trace how year after year the anti-vaccs lie.

            All it takes is the integrity to read….

            W&N

          • ciaparker2

            Look at the studies linked at these articles, proving that vaccines cause autism and other disabilities, several hundred of them:

            http://www.greenmedinfo.com/sites/default/files/gpub_58635_anti_therapeutic_action_vaccination_all.pdf

            http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2007/06/no-evidence-of-any-link.html

          • ciaparker2

            The net result was that one in 32 Somali children in the study met the
            diagnostic criteria for autism, compared with one in 36 white children.

            http://www.startribune.com/dec-2013-autism-hits-somali-kids-harder-says-um-research-report/236033201/

          • Bjorn Fowler

            That article never says vaccines are the cause

          • ciaparker2

            You’re right, the study had nothing to do with vaccines. I use it only because it shows a recent count of how common autism has become. In one in 36 white children now, one in 32 Somali children in Minnesota. The CDC issues a yearly incidence rate which is always years behind the times, based on children who are twelve at the time, when in younger children the rate is much higher. Other sources prove that it is vaccines which have caused it.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            A third hand news report is worthless for making appropriate inferences.

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Gosh Cia,

            “At this time, nearly half of children have allergies, whether respiratory, skin, or
            food allergies, and nearly all of them are caused by vaccines. “

            That is an outright fabrication. Which is exactly why you can’t provide anything to support this BS.

            W&N

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Gosh Cia, people that actually care about our children make decisions based on data and competent analysis.

            You have been provided the information countless times, but just ignore it every
            single time….the conclusion is obvious.

            W&N

          • ciaparker2

            Yes, we do, which is why so many of us now refuse vaccines.

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Thanks Cia for confirming that your POV is based on willful ignorance and healthcare fraud.

            Another very helpful posting.

            Cheers,

            W&N

          • Hans Meyer

            “….which is why so many of us now refuse vaccines.”

            Instead, you purposefully endanger your own children:

            Posted Tuesday, January 11, 2011

            “I had shingles when my daughter was nearly two, and I deliberately gave it to her…”

            Posted Thursday, May 28, 2015:

            “Measles is good for healthy children to get. … I would like my daughter to get it, as it would be the best thing for her longterm health, but at this time, very few people get it as the vaccine has made it so rare. I wanted my daughter to get chickenpox, but was worried she wouldn’t have the opportunity, but she caught it from me when I had a mild case of shingles when she was nearly two. I still wish she could get measles and mumps.”

            Posted Thursday, May 28, 2015

            “Having measles and mumps would be good for her longterm health, and I hope she may still have the opportunity of getting them.”

            Posted Friday, May 29, 2015

            “I would be glad for my daughter to get the natural disease …”

            Posted Friday, May 29, 2015

            “That’s why I’m advocating deliberately giving the natural disease to schoolgirls…”

            Of course, what else would one expect from someone who champions the one person responsible for the Disneyland measles outbreak (as highlighted here), and who admits she doesn’t even read facts (“No, I haven’t read the studies cited…”).

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            1 in 2 what? As usual you are making things up as you go……

          • ciaparker2

            I am including asthma and allergies, usually caused by vaccines, and now present in about half of American children.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            Sources?

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            As usual no reputable sources. Just unsubstantiated claims. My daughter is a pediatric nurse. I think she would be quite disbelieving at your numbers as she is a school nurse.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            Asthma prevalence is around 8% per up to date.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            If anything vaccination is protective against development of asthma. See up to date

            INTRODUCTION — Viral respiratory infections are the most common causes of wheezing in infants and young children and are common triggers of asthma exacerbations in adult and pediatric patients with preexisting asthma [1-4]. In addition, wheezing with viral illnesses, particularly with respiratory syncytial virus (RSC) and human rhinovirus (HRV), in infants and young children is associated with an increased risk of developing childhood asthma [5-10].

            The mechanisms by which viral respiratory infections trigger wheezing and asthma exacerbations are reviewed here. The influence of viral infection on both the development and perpetuation of asthma is also discussed. Other issues relating to the pathogenesis of asthma are reviewed elsewhere. Treatment of virus-induced wheezing and asthma is also discussed separately. (See “Pathogenesis of asthma” and “Risk factors for asthma” and “Natural history of asthma” and “Treatment of recurrent virus-induced wheezing in young children”.)

            PATHOGENESIS — Viral respiratory infections interact with host factors to promote recurrent virus-induced wheezing and the development of asthma (figure 1) [11]. Respiratory symptoms with viral infections most likely result from virus-induced damage of the airway epithelium, followed by airway inflammation in a predisposed individual. Immune responses triggered by viral respiratory tract infections include enhanced allergic inflammation, increased granulocyte recruitment, promotion of cytokine production, and upregulation of the parasympathetic response (table 1). These proinflammatory responses further influence the host responses to other microbial infections, allergens, stress, and pollutants.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            Allergic rhinitis affects 10 to 30 percent of children and adults in the United States. The prevalence is increasing in industrialized countries worldwide, particularly in urban areas.

            Source up to date

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Mr. Hammond,

            “It is good that you understand, then, how public policy has shifted the risk burden…”

            This is a ridiculous statement. All you have to do is to post the numbers to immediacy see how silly your statement is.

            Please post the numbers.

            W&N

          • All you have to do to see that my statement is true is see the papers I cited from the medical literature.

            You are on notice for trolling.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            You’ve got it as bass ackwards. Immunization programs reduce the likelihood that vulnerable population members will contract the disease.

            http://fred.publichealth.pitt.edu/measles/

            run the simulations……

          • As I stated, public vaccine policy has shifted the risk burden in the event of an outbreak from those in whom measles is generally well-tolerated onto adults (because of waning immunity) and infants (due to lack of maternal antibodies). If you doubt that, you are free to check my sources.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/05/measles-vaccine-cuts-risk-of-other-childhood-diseases/

            The above source is the most recent discussion about the impact of measles. Hint it isn’t benign and in fact can increase all cause mortality.

          • You are commenting as though I have argued that there are no complications with measles. I haven’t. As for the hypothesis that measles infection increases mortality from other diseases due to the immune memory “reset”, it is just that — a hypothesis. From your source:

            “The scientists found that for Europe and the US, mass vaccination against the measles was followed by a reduction in the death of children due to non-measles infectious diseases.”

            Hardly a surprising finding. It does not follow that since deaths from non-measles infections declined since the measles vaccine was introduced that therefore natural infection with measles increases the risk of death from other disease. After all, mortality rates for all kinds of diseases were already well on the decline prior to the introduction of the vaccine — including for measles itself.

            Furthermore, this hypothesis is contradicted by other studies indicating that measles actually confers a protective effect against other diseases, eg:

            Measles and atopy in Guinea-Bissau
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8667923

            Childhood infectious diseases and risk of leukaemia in an adult population
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23575988

            Association of measles and mumps with cardiovascular disease: The Japan Collaborative Cohort (JACC) study.
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26122188

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            Atopy..decreased sensitization to dust mites? Please that is extremely thin evidence.

            Cml incidence and prevalence.

            Reports from several European CML registries consistently show a crude annual incidence of 0.7-1.0/100,000, a median age at diagnosis of 57-60 years and a male/female ratio of 1.2-1.7

            …..The prevalence of CML is not well known but has been to be 10-12/100,000 inhabitants with a steady increase due to the dramatic improvement in survival of these patients. 

            Epidemiology of chronic myeloid leukaemia: an update.Review article

            Höglund M, et al. Ann Hematol. 2015.

            Authors

            Höglund M1, Sandin F, Simonsson B.

            Author information1Department of Medical Science, Uppsala University Hospital, Uppsala, Sweden, martin.hoglund@medsci.uu.se.

            Citation

            Ann Hematol. 2015 Apr;94 Suppl 2:S241-7. doi: 10.1007/s00277-015-2314-2. Epub 2015 Mar 27.

            The point is that the reduction of associated all cause mortality increases the likelihood of children living to develop cml. Furthermore the median age of diagnosis places the sampled population as older than the vaccinated population group. To say the least this could bias results .

          • The point is that the reduction of associated all cause mortality increases the likelihood of children living to develop cml.

            Are you referring to the protective effect of measles?

            Furthermore the median age of diagnosis places the sampled population as older than the vaccinated population group.

            What are you talking about? The study I cited about about the protection against leukemia conferred by measles had nothing to do with vaccination.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            Up to date clearly states the following

            MMR vaccine in adults
            Vaccine Antibody response Protection against disease Dose Most common side effects Contraindications
            MMR
            Single dose: 0.5 mL SC
            Second dose if required: 0.5 mL SC at least 28 days later
            Most rare after revaccination
            Fever, rash
            Lymphadenopathy
            Febrile seizures
            Allergic reactions
            Thrombocytopenia
            Arthritis, arthralgias
            Pregnancy current or planned within 28 days
            Immunocompromised (see related topics)
            Anaphylaxis after eating eggs or receiving neomycin
            Recent administration of immune globulin (delay vaccine administration for at least six months after intramuscular administration or eight months after intravenous administration)
            Measles 99% (after 2 doses) 99% – Lifelong
            Mumps 97% (after 1 dose) 75-95% >30 years
            Rubella 95% (after 1 dose) 90% >15 years ? lifelong

            Immunity to measles for all intents and purposes does not wane after 2 vaccinations.

          • Immunity to measles for all intents and purposes does not wane after 2 vaccinations.

            Well, let’s see what the medical literature has to say about that….

            “Multiple studies demonstrate that 2–10% of those immunized with two doses of measles vaccine fail to develop protective antibody levels, and that immunity can wane over time and result in infection (so-called secondary vaccine failure) when the individual is exposed to measles. For example, during the 1989–1991 U.S. measles out-breaks 20–40% of the individuals affected had been previously immunized with one to two doses of vaccine. In an October 2011 outbreak in Canada, over 50% of the 98 individuals had received two doses of measles vaccine…. Thus, measles outbreaks also occur even among highly vaccinated populations because of primary and secondary vaccine failure, which results in gradually larger pools of susceptible persons and outbreaks once measles is introduced. This leads to a paradoxical situation whereby measles in highly immunized societies occurs primarily among those previously immunized….

            [E]ven with two documented doses of measles vaccine, our laboratory demonstrated that 8.9% of 763 healthy children immunized a mean of 7.4 years earlier lacked protective levels of circulating measles-specific neutralizing antibodies.”

            Vaccine. 2012 Jan 5; 30(2): 103–104.

            “Titers fell significantly over time for the study population overall and, by the final collection, 4.7% (18/382) of children were potentially susceptible….”

            See attached image.

            Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med.2007;161(3):294-301

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            Sorry you are cherry picking again. Up to date and cdc both review and provide the best available evidence. With a second mmr it confers lifetime immunity.

            Please feel free to approach the editors of cochrane, up to date, who and cdc.

          • I have provided you with references from the medical literature clearly showing that your claim that antibody titers after two doses of measles vaccine does not wane is patently false. If you wish to make the case that I am “cherry picking”, you are welcome to likewise provide sources from the medical literature supporting your statement. Good luck with that.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            I have already provided relevant information from up to date citing the medical concensus about duration of immunity following immunization.

            If I wanted too I could find sources claiming that the moon is made of cheese. That doesn’t make my claim accurate or informative.

          • You made the claim; you did not provide any sources. Again, if you wish to make the case that I have “cherry picked” the medical literature, you are welcome to provide sources from the literature supporting your statement that 2 doses of measles vaccine “confers lifetime immunity.”

            EDIT: I see you did below. I’ll reply there.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            Vaccine effectiveness — Measles vaccination usually leads to long-term immunity. In the United States, measles antibodies develop in 96 percent of individuals vaccinated at age 12 months and in 98 percent of individuals vaccinated at age 15 months [14,15]. For the small percentage of nonresponders to the first vaccine dose, a second dose will result in seroconversion in 90 percent [16], resulting in 99 percent immunity among individuals who have received two doses of measles vaccine [17]. Thus, the second vaccine dose is not a booster dose but serves to provide immunity among nonresponders.

            Waning of immunity after vaccination, known as secondary vaccine failure, is relatively rare [14]. Most individuals with low antibody titers demonstrate an anamnestic immune response upon revaccination, indicating that they are probably still immune despite low titers [17].

            TI
            Measles, mumps, and rubella–vaccine use and strategies for elimination of measles, rubella, and congenital rubella syndrome and control of mumps: recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP).
            AU
            Watson JC, Hadler SC, Dykewicz CA, Reef S, Phillips L
            SO
            MMWR Recomm Rep. 1998;47(RR-8):1.

            These revised recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) on measles, mumps, and rubella prevention supersede recommendations published in 1989 and 1990. This statement summarizes the goals and current strategies for measles, rubella, and congenital rubella syndrome (CRS) elimination and for mumps reduction in the United States. Changes from previous recommendations include: Emphasis on the use of combined MMR vaccine for most indications; A change in the recommended age for routine vaccination to 12-15 months for the first dose of MMR, and to 4-6 years for the second dose of MMR; A recommendation that all states take immediate steps to implement a two dose MMR requirement for school entry and any additional measures needed to ensure that all school-aged children are vaccinated with two doses of MMR by 2001; A clarification of the role of serologic screening to determine immunity; A change in the criteria for determining acceptable evidence of rubella immunity; A recommendation that all persons who work in health-care facilities have acceptable evidence of measles and rubella immunity; Changes in the recommended interval between administration of immune globulin and measles vaccination; and Updated information on adverse events and contraindications, particularly for persons with severe HIV infection, persons with a history of egg allergy orgelatin allergy, persons with a history of thrombocytopenia, and persons receiving steroid therapy.
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            PMID
            9639369

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            An evaluation of measles revaccination among school-entry-aged children.
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            Watson JC, Pearson JA, Markowitz LE, Baughman AL, Erdman DD, Bellini WJ, Baron RC, Fleming DW
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            Pediatrics. 1996 May;97(5):613-8.

            BACKGROUND: A two dose measles vaccination schedule is recommended routinely for all school-entry-aged children. We evaluated this recommendation by determining both measles antibody seroprevalence and the response to revaccination in seronegative children in this age group.
            METHODS: Children 4 to 6 years of age who had received a single dose of measles vaccine between the ages of 15 to 17 months were tested for measles antibody by using enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA) microneutralization technique. Seronegative children were revaccinated and again tested for measles antibody (immunoglobulin M [IgM]and neutralizing).
            RESULTS: Of 679 children tested, 37 (5.4%) were seronegative. Seronegativity was not significantly associated with age, sex, race, age at initial vaccination, time since vaccination, or maternal year of birth. However, children mothers with a college degree were 12 times more likely to be seronegative than children of mothers who never attended college (P<.01). Of the 37 seronegative children, 36 seroconverted after revaccination–33 producing IgM measles antibody, suggestive of a primary immune response. The cost per seroconversion would have been an estimated $415 if all 679 children had been revaccinated.
            CONCLUSIONS: Revaccination reduces the pool of children who are susceptible to measles. Although the cost per seroconversion is high, a two-dose schedule should reduce the substantial costs of controlling measles out breaks by reducing the number of outbreaks.
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            Epidemic Intelligence Service, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta, GA 30333, USA.

            Epidemiology and Prevention of Vaccine-Preventable Diseases (The Pink Book), 12th ed, Atkinson W, Wolfe C, Hamborsky J. (Eds), The Public Health Foundation, Washington, DC 2011.

            no abstract available

          • 1) You cited the CDC. The excerpts you provide are not in the source. However, it does say similar things, so set that aside. All this source shows is that the CDC believed in 1998 that the measles vaccine “probably” conferred lifelong immunity. But it was not well studied back then. In fact, for that specific statement, the CDC cites a paper (fn 55) that notes that this is merely an assumption. I have given you more recent studies (2007 and 2012) showing that this was an erroneous assumption.

            2) You cited an even earlier 1996 Pediatrics study that didn’t even examine the question of the duration of immunity; it noted that about 5% of subjects receiving the measles vaccine did not develop protective titer and recommended a two-dose schedule to target the non-responders.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            I reviewed the vaccine article. The article was calling for improved vaccine to address mmr NOT an argument to stop vaccination programs.

            The second piece is that at its worst 92% are still showing effective immunity and another 2 to 3% have amnestic immunity.

            There are strategies that can be used during an outbreak to contain and control measles. Quarantine, ring vaccination have both been shown effective. These are the strategies that were used to eliminate smallpox.

            Measles is far more virulent than smallpox. 93% of susceptible individuals will contract the disease in an unvaccinated population. 4 to 5% of the vaccinated might contract the illness. Putting those numbers in context that explains the one finding from the vaccine article. If you are an unvaccinated individual you are 10 to 12 times more likely to contract the disease than a vaccinated individual. The population of vaccinated individuals is about 93 to 95% of the populace as a whole.

          • You are attempting to obfuscate the fact that both papers I cited demonstrate that your statement that two doses of measles vaccine confers lifelong immunity is false.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            The professional consensus reflects that opinion. I believe that you are being dishonest in your ongoing assertion about vaccine failure rates. You have never placed the vaccine article in a proper context.

            Measles is far more virulent than smallpox. 93% of susceptible individuals will contract the disease in an unvaccinated population. 4 to 5% of the vaccinated might contract the illness. Putting those numbers in context that explains the one finding from the vaccine article. If you are an unvaccinated individual you are 10 to 12 times more likely to contract the disease than a vaccinated individual. The population of vaccinated individuals is about 93 to 95% of the populace as a whole.

            Let’s do the math. In a population of 1000 people 25 might refuse vaccination. 35 might be vaccination failures.

            During an outbreak of measles we know that 93% of the unvaccinated will contract the illness. Roughly 22 cases of 25 patients.

            Out of our population of 975 vaccinated people of the 35 perhaps 1/2 of the failures will contract measles. 18 cases. The other 17 cases either have a subclinical case or are in fact immune on an amnestic basis and did not have a testable titer.

            The point is that vaccination prevented 906 cases of measles. Assuming 93% infection rates.

            If people are not exposed to the virus they cannot catch the disease. At age 54 I have never seen a case of wild measles.

          • You can accuse me of being the dishonest one all you like, but the fact remains that your statement “Immunity to measles for all intents and purposes does not wane after 2 vaccinations” is false, which fact you are still attempting to obfuscate.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            But you are being dishonest. Your article implies that immunity will wane for all or a substantial portion of MMR vaccinated individuals. The professional concensus which I have posted is that MMR followed by a booster provides 99% protection. Even accepting the 5% vaccine failure rate as evidenced by serological immunity at least half of that 5% will mount an immune response with either no infection or a much milder case of the disease than the wild strains. When represented against the vaccinated population that is an exceptionally small proportion. Amongst the unvaccinated 92% of the population will contract the illness. It is indisputable that vaccination is an effective strategy for disease prevention.

            From Cochrane:

            MAIN RESULTS:

            “We included five randomised controlled trials (RCTs), one controlled clinical trial (CCT), 27 cohort studies, 17 case-control studies, five time-series trials, one case cross-over trial, two ecological studies, six self controlled case series studies involving in all about 14,700,000 children and assessing effectiveness and safety of MMR vaccine. Based on the available evidence, one MMR vaccine dose is at least 95% effective in preventing clinical measles and 92% effective in preventing secondary cases among household contacts.

            ….

            Exposure to the MMR vaccine was unlikely to be associated with autism, asthma, leukaemia, hay fever, type 1 diabetes, gait disturbance, Crohn’s disease, demyelinating diseases, bacterial or viral infections.”

            The only adverse effects of real concern for MMR would be febrile seizure (usually benign) (1/3000) and thromcytopenia purpura (1/30000).

            Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2012 Feb 15;2:CD004407. doi: 10.1002/14651858.CD004407.pub3.

            Vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella in children.

            Demicheli V1, Rivetti A, Debalini MG, Di Pietrantonj C.

            Author information

            1Servizio Regionale di Riferimento per l’Epidemiologia, SSEpi-SeREMI – Cochrane Vaccines Field, Azienda Sanitaria Locale ASL AL,Alessandria, Italy. vdemicheli@aslal.it

            Moderate Problems (CDC)

            Seizure (jerking or staring) caused by fever (about 1 out of 3,000 doses)

            Temporary low platelet count, which can cause a bleeding disorder (about 1 out of 30,000 doses)
            Contrast that to the known risks of wild measles infection. 1/1000 will die, another 2/3 per thousand will develop a sensory deficit or cognitive disability. THE MOST COMMON MMR adverse effects ARE NONFATAL and NONDISABLING.

            The risks of adverse effects are all less than the risk of the wild disease.
            In medicine nothing is 100% effective. Everything has to be balanced against risk of treatment and the expected results of the treatment.

        • Thomas Johnson

          An ‘infection physician’ ? LMFAO

          • Mike Stevens

            I can just picture your A** “f***ing”, unfortunately.
            I will probably have nightmares.

          • Thomas Johnson

            You wish.

          • sabelmouse

            i think he’s fully merged with those who upvote him now.:)

    • Pandemonium Parker

      Except, um, we live in the first world; you know, with sanitation, adequate nutrition, protection from the elements, clean water…Oh, and young mothers who, maybe, still have vaccine titer, which likely has zero influence of the outcome of Measles exposure to begin with…

      • Trulyunbelievable2020

        “Except, um, we live in the first world; you know, with sanitation, adequate nutrition, protection from the elements, clean water…” AND HIGH VACCINE RATES.

        That’s one of the things that makes the first world the first world. Do people really not get this?

      • VikingAPRNCNP

        Cia has another sock puppet

    • The protection may not be as robust as that conferred from mothers who have recovered from natural measles, but you cannot deny that it exists.

      I agree my choice of verb “unable” in the sentence you are taking issue with was imprecise: “less able” might be better. But I did go on to qualify that statement and clearly stated: “since women were vaccinated as children, they likely have a waning antibody titer by the time they start having children.” I did not claim that they will likely have no antibodies whatsoever.

      • Trulyunbelievable2020

        You said, “Hence, they aren’t able to pass on that antibody protection to their infants.” That’s not “imprecise.” It’s incorrect.

        (Also, “unable” is not a verb.)

        • Mike Stevens

          “Also, “unable” is not a verb”

          Well, Jeremy is a political journo, not someone educated in english and math.

          • His education is a “B.S. in Communications (emphasis in Film and Video)” So, not educated in foreign policy or immunology either. Does it show?

          • Don

            I don’ t know Brooke….his article and his posts kinda do show him for what he is: intelligent, honest and principled. You and your cohorts wouldn’t recognize those traits though. Too bad Jeremy isn’t here right now…but we know how he’d respond! All the troll brigade has is to try to create doubt and discredit. So predictable! Now bring on Caligulus!

          • Mike Stevens

            He is intelligent, sure.
            Honest? Hmmmm…..
            He has had numerous errors pointed out to him in this article, at least one of which he has edited to correct it without acknowledgement.

          • Don

            Ummm I don’t know about that Mike. We”re not all perfect, but I saw where you pointed something out and he did in fact acknowledge you, and also indicated he’d change it. Nothing quiet about that…totally honest. Other than that, you guys were shown for what you are. Anyway, I am quite sure all that read all the posts will see that. Should we invite him back?

          • Mike Stevens

            It’s hard not to acknowledge errors of fact when they are blatantly obvious to all and sundry when the surface is scratched.

            As for the honesty question, I take it that you feel that someone who makes false statements is “honest”, as long as he later admits under pressure that he was wrong?

          • Someone who makes false statements is “honest” as long as they agree with Dumbo’s little belief system.

          • Don

            Oh Brooke..try something original for a change. You guys just can’t stand the fact that Jeremy showed you all for what you are and all you have is to discredit. Jeremy repeatedly asked to show how and where he was wrong and he went unacknowledged. So.as I said ..read the thread people!

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Really Don? Try reading the postings again.

            Numerous factual and conceptual errors have been pointed out to Mr. Hammond and how exactly he can fact-check to confirm what the truth is. Mr. Hammond simply chooses not to fact-check every single time.

            How can it get any clearer for you?

            W&N

          • I have made two corrections to the article, which is precisely the number of factual errors that have so far been pointed out to me.

          • Don

            Way to spin Mike! As I said …people, take a look at the entire thread , read the article and look at the troll’s comments. You all were not looking too good. Intelligent people can read and discern for themselves. Better yet, have Jeremy come back!

          • ione murphy

            Wish I had a nickel for every time I have showed them wrong. But when you do, their strategy is to disappear for a day or two and conveniently forget all about it. I guess I’m too polite to hound them about it.

          • Barb

            What would that be, about 2 and a half cents?

          • Don

            I know it Ione. Your posts are excellent. If you got paid like they do it would be wonderful. The beauty is what you do is from the heart….it’s passion. You are playing an important role though in change, and it will come! It is always been that way throughout history, one good person fighting for their rights and important social change in society. Now it’s many, a unified oneness largely due to the internet. It’s a process, but we are patient!

          • Katia

            OK, I’ll give you intelligent, but certainly uneducated on vaccine science.

          • Name the errors. The only ones I’ve seen you claim were all in your head.

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Gosh Davey a number of have been pointed. All it takes is basic reading
            skills to see them….

            W&N

          • Basic reading just shows you that Mike Stevens concocted some “errors” in his own head. The only thing that was remotely true is that Jeremy referred to natural disease leading to life-long immunity. Mike takes issue with that, which is fair enough because natural disease does not *always* lead to life-long immunity. Just usually. And Mike’s concern is likely out of projection, the irony here being that pro-vaccine ideologues are constantly telling us that this or that vaccine will provide lifelong immunity. Oh but wait…oopsies it doesn’t we need to add a booster…but THAT will then confer lifelong immunity. Except that it doesn’t…lather rinse repeat.

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Now Davey your reading skills have failed you again.

            “Gosh Davey a number of have been pointed.”

            The examples are still posted here for all to read, but even when directed to the exact passage in Mr. Hammond’s own reference that show he is wrong you are still just not up to reading the words correctly.

            Just like all the other times…

            W&N

          • Don

            I believe what Mikes stated was that it took an exhaustive hour of persuasion to get a ‘single’ result, ( referring to what you indicated regarding what Mke took issue with) he did not have the “time” to persuade Jeremy on the other 153 factual errors!!! Wow…153!

          • Mike Stevens

            Well, one error I pointed out was where he said vaccinated women were “unable” to provide protection for their babies through maternal immunity.
            He corrected that mistake, so tell me, why did he do that if that error was “all in my head”?

            The ability of you antivaxers to see only what you wish to see is quite quaint, but ultimately makes you all look quite foolish.

          • The fact I made corrections to the article and noted the corrections for the record illustrates I’m dishonest? What a puzzling argument.

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Hey Don,

            If you spend one minute you can easily see that one of the most basic principles of investigative reporting is to fact-check.

            You will then notice that every single time this comes up Mr. Hammond refuses to do so.

            If you try fact-checking you will see that he gets basically everything wrong. This
            is undeniable…

            W&N

          • Are you really that lazy that you can only make general pronouncements, but then cannot back a single one of them up with any examples or a shred of evidence?

            Or is it incompetence? Given your demeanor it could likely be both…

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Sorry Davey,

            My comments pre-suppose the reader has a high-school level understanding of the basic concepts.

            In your case, here is a reference written a very low level, see if it is not too much of a challenge for you….

            http://www.mediahelpingmedia.org/training-resources/journalism-basics/640-fact-checking-separates-journalism-from-rumour-and-gossip

            I have given examples of Mr. Hammond’s scientific errors, you just weren’t up to
            reading the words correctly….just like all the other times.

            W&N

          • See the difference here is that he’s open and honest about his background, his credentials, and his experience. What’s your education “Brooke”? Who are you, even?

            In contrast we have the myriad Skeptics blogs you continuously cite, who for the most part don’t even identify themselves, much less tell us their background, expertise, etc.

            And once again, you cast aspersions on the source, without ever (EVER) actually discussing what the man actually said. Why are you here “Brooke”?

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Now Davey….a rational person gets their science from actual scientists…strange that you don’t….even stranger still that you make such silly assertions when there are so many examples…

            https://thepoxesblog.wordpress.com/

            From an epidemiologist. Shall we keep going to further demonstrate the absurdity of your comment?

            W&N

          • It’s hard to take you seriously W&N when the very example you provide is itself yet another random blog by an anonymous random blogger. Am I supposed to just take it on faith that this person is an epidemiologist? They sure do not sound like they are very educated on any of these vaccine safety issues And the first article I see references no fewer than three other random blogs by random bloggers, as “evidence” one must assume.

            It is also difficult to believe that this blogger is a scientist (you say “epidemiologist”) when they parrot a pro-vaccine ideologue talking point like this:

            “When it comes to vaccines, a preservative called thimerosal is metabolized into ethylmercury, which is easily disposed of by our bodies.”

            This person is clearly not familiar with recent research which shows the exact opposite, that in some ways ethylmercury is more toxic than methylmercury.

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Oh dear Davey,

            Just because you find it too difficult to use Google to find people’s credentials doesn’t change the facts.

            Speaking of which, all it takes is functional literacy to see that EtHg is less toxic to human children then MtHg…somehow you just fail to read the words correctly every single time…

            W&N

          • Don

            Of course, Brooke always attacks someone personally in an attempt to try to discredit them, but refuses to actually comment intelligently on what the person is saying. Funnily enough, she is on another forum trying hard to discredit Jeremy by indicating he’s just an ESL teacher- (with her buddy Reality.) As you started, Jeremy has been totally upfront and transparent about his credentials and background including the fact he’s an ESL teacher. I do believe it’s been crickets when it comes to her actually discussing her concerns about Jeremy’s credentials and/or his article. Why indeed are you here Brooke?

          • sabelmouse

            desperate much mikey?!

          • Congratulations on finding a mistake in something I said. Truly embarrassing, coming from a 12-year teacher of ESL.

        • Quite right. It’s not a verb. The imprecise adjective has been corrected and a note of the correction has been made.