Following the eruption of turmoil in Iran which lasted for several weeks after the reelection of incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in the June 12 presidential elections, Press TV, a 24-hour English-language TV network run by Iran’s state broadcaster IRIB, came under the fire of harsh criticism by British media outlets, including The Guardian, the Daily Telegraph and The Times of London because of what they considered to be a “violation of neutrality” by the network. This seemed to be simply a retaliatory act against Iranian statesmen’s explicit condemnation of the UK’s BBC, which they alleged provoked riot and insurgence in a turbulent Tehran.
Over the past two years and since it was launched in 2007, I’ve been a regular follower of both Press TV’s website and TV channel. Primarily, I admire the efforts of this Iranian news network, which has strived to function as the “podium of justice” and “voice of the voiceless”. Those who are familiar with the media atmosphere in Iran unanimously admit that Press TV is the most professional and unbiased outlet, at least among the state-funded media.
However, the tradition of calling Press TV a state-run or state-funded agency is a propagandistic technique which the western mainstream media have adopted collectively. Whenever citing something from Press TV, American and British mainstream media state the fact that the network is funded by Iranian government simply in order to cast doubt on the veracity and legitimacy of the source they’re citing. This is the fallacy of “ad hominem circumstantial”.
To illustrate, France 24 can be accurately called the French tantamount of Iran’s Press TV; it’s funded by the state with an initial budget of €100m and conventionally follows the theoretical line of French government. Nevertheless, a Google search for the term “state-funded France 24” returns just 253 results while “state-funded Press TV” returns 11,600 pages, an indication of the familiar exercise of double standards by the corporate media who rule hearts and minds.
As someone who has customarily traced Press TV’s trajectory, I do have my own reasons to defend this new-born media hub which has seriously called to challenge Russia Today, Aljazeera English and Deutsche Welle World. Despite my disagreement with some of its policies and stances that I’ve found objectionable and lopsided, especially in the post-election turmoil of Iran, I generally appreciate Press TV for what it has achieved so far and what it’s trying to realize.
Although Press TV is not available to the majority of Iranians who have been legally disentitled to own dish antennas to watch global satellite channels over the past three decades, it should be domestically admired for the esteem and value it gives to Iran’s cultural heritage and artistic treasures. In contrary to the majority of Iran’s state-run and non-governmental media outlets, which do not spare even minimal coverage for Iran-related cultural events and accomplishments, Press TV has been a major source of news features and reports on Iranian arts and culture.
Press TV prevalently runs reports on the concerts, exhibitions, lectures, ceremonies and festivals which Iranian artists hold around the world, honorably introducing award-winning Iranian scientists, cartoonists, filmmakers, writers, and scholars who accomplish something extraordinary in their field of endeavor. This comes while the rest of the Iranian media seem to be worryingly afraid of Iranian culture, arts, and science as they pervasively shun these popular areas.
While the Iranian people might not otherwise find a simple exposure of their country’s innumerable historical, architectural, and archeological sites in the national media, Press TV commendably acquaints its global audience with the priceless heritage of Iranian civilization.
Politically, I appreciate Press TV, because by the end of the day, it generally preserves its impartiality and sheds a light on a number of issues which the international community universally neglects. I believe that it could have performed more objectively in the aftermath of Iran’s 2009 presidential election, especially in reaction to the demonstrations of Iran’s dissident citizens. However, Press TV realistically has fulfilled its promise to serve as an outlet that exhibits the bitter realities that the mainstream media otherwise overlook.
Take the case of the Holocaust and those who are in denial of it. I’m not a history expert and thus keep aside from the controversy, but I categorically believe that no one should come up with an excuse for the relentless massacre of millions of people whose lives a Nazi regime considered to be insignificant and dispensable. However, the very fact that a growing number of Holocaust deniers such as Horst Mahler, Fredrick Toben, Gaston-Armand Amaudruz, Wolfgang Frohlich, Herbert Verbeke and David Irving have been put in jail for simply expressing their viewpoints, even if what they believe is contradictory to the standards of western society, suggests that there’s something wrong with the right to “freedom of speech” and the way it is interpreted. Press TV has successfully shed a light on this contradiction.
As another example, during Israel’s 22-day nightmare offensive against the Gaza Strip, while reporting favoring the offender encompassed the global mainstream, Press TV conducted interviews with prominent figures who were somehow involved in the conflict and aired footages which no other TV channel had dared broadcast, giving a glimpse into the victims’ point of view.
The best conceptual accomplishment of Press TV has been the revelation of intolerable double standards that certain governments exercise. Press TV screens critics and scholars that the mainstream media have long boycotted. Its effort to give them a voice thwarts all of the efforts that have been made to cover up the other side of stories, especially in the Middle East, and this has outraged some who cling to the double-standard of free speech discussed above.
The allegation that Press TV serves as the “mouthpiece of Iranian government” deserves scrutiny. Every media outlet around the world endeavors to satisfy its owner and serve—or at least not undermine—its interests, especially when the owner is a government. Press TV is going to grow professionally, and become more like an Iranian BBC. I personally oppose Press TV serving as a mouthpiece for any power, including the Iranian government; however, the problem is that we don’t know of any international news outlet that doesn’t often serve as a mouthpiece for its respective government.
Recent pressure on Press TV also transmits a clear message to officials in Tehran complaining of the double standards of Washington, London and Paris while themselves rejecting free speech. Once Jon Leyne of the BBC was expelled from Tehran on charges of “supporting the rioters” in the post-election crisis, Iran should have expected Ofcom’s retaliatory reaction three months later: they’re now pondering the renewal of Press TV’s London headquarters. This would be an unfortunate consequence of Iranian government officials’ decisions.
Kouroush,
With all due respect how can utter the words impartial, expousing double standards of the west, justice, voice of the voiceless, and unbiased? I read presstv everyday because I like to see the other side of story. However, almost every day I leave it visible upset. I am upset because:
1) Impartial–then why is there is a black out on stories about the rapes, beatings, and killings. When they do crop up it is “claim” followed by the IRGC saying it is all lies
2) Double standard–claims intereference by others but has the audacity to print headline articles decrying the old Jew Blood libels that turned out to have no factual basis. Says the US aid the Taliban yet does not even mention that an Iranian ship with arms for the rebels in Yemen was seized
3) Justice–what justice is there when almost 30 journalists and bloggers are in jail? Their crime was they voiced their support for reform. Reporters without borders consistently ranks Iran at the bottom of its freedom index along with North Korea and China. Why? My friends brother’s crime in Tehran was having been employed by a reform paper shut down years ago. He is still in Evin prison. Why?
4) Voice of the voiceless–see point one and three. Sort of hard to have a voice when the regime won’t let you have one unless they approve of it
5) Unbiased–literally every day the headlines read like a “the worst of the worst in the falling Western empire” yet offers no real criticism of its own nation. Just Today literally every lead story has a negative spin targeting the west with almost no commentary on the protests.
Your arguement that being state owned is fallacy of ad hominem circumstantial is so out of touch. For Iran it is central to problem of true open and objective journalism. Western governments may own or influence press in the West but they don’t exert total control or censor it. How many papers are shut down in the west, how many journalists jailed, explicitly state one of their goals is to spread their ideology of the state like IRNA does, employ censor programs to delete/change/track electronic traffic, or report claims of the government without ever offering evidence. Presstv has some good articles on culture but the political aspect of it is all propoganda. Just today I tired to post a pro reform comment on the “Iranians mark US embassy takeover” and my record for time of deletion was beaten not once but three times. My post was “What Presstv does not report is the thousands of protestors being rushed Basiji shooting tear gas” and it got deleted within 49 seconds, 29, and concluding with a earth shattering 9 seconds! I then posted a comments saying “One day the regime won’t like what you say and it will be you who will be deleted.” This one lasted for over a minute and my hope was that it got the censor thinking of how far censoring can go.
By all descriptive purposes Iran has turned into a police state with its propoganda arm the media. Ask your self if a site like this or counterpunch critical of the government would ever make it on the air in Iran? Is their an Iranian ‘Noam Chomsky’ openly able to work in Iran? The answer is no for both and you know it. You cannot be overly critical of the governement because they will declare you an enemy of god and we all know what happens to those people. Sincerely, how in good conscience can you support this regime and its state owned media in light of what they have done? The deaths and rapes would have been front page news in the West until it got solved. In Iran it is absolute silence on the subject and instead some article about those “evil jooos” bent on world domination! I speak from experience having many Lithuanian relatives who had to suffer under the soviets. You need to open your eyes because one day you may be the target.
thx
Bill
1) Impartial–then why is there is a black out on stories about the rapes, beatings, and killings. When they do crop up it is “claim” followed by the IRGC saying it is all lies
Bill, if you can produce any evidence these alleged rapes occured, kindly produced it. As for the beatings and killings that occurred during the protests, you are simply wrong. I read many reports about those things on Press TV.
2) Double standard–claims intereference by others but has the audacity to print headline articles decrying the old Jew Blood libels that turned out to have no factual basis.
Kindly post the link to the article of that headline.
Says the US aid the Taliban yet does not even mention that an Iranian ship with arms for the rebels in Yemen was seized
Kindly post links, if possible.
Your arguement that being state owned is fallacy of ad hominem circumstantial is so out of touch.
Actually, it’s right on. When people try to suggest that something PressTV says is not credible because it is state owned, that’s an ad hominem circumstantial fallacy, just like when you say the Goldstone report should be taken with a grain of salt because it came out of the UNHCR.
Is their an Iranian ‘Noam Chomsky’ openly able to work in Iran?
What problem do you have with Noam Chomsky?
In Iran it is absolute silence on the subject and instead some article about those “evil jooos” bent on world domination!
Again, kindly post evidence for your claim that Press TV posts articles “about those ‘evil jooos’ bent on world domination!”. I read Press TV regularly and have never seen anything like that.
Jeremy,
1) Impartial:
Rape- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynx4q9HPuFo&feature=related click on more info details in english. Google Ebrahim Sharifi for a number of articles.
Deaths and Beatings- http://iranbodycount.blogspot.com/ or http://www.iranhumanrights.org/2009/06/list/ or watch any number of youtube videos showing beatings by the basiji there are hundereds
2) Double standard:
Jewish blood libel- http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=108532§ionid=351020202 and the article conviently ommited the fact he admitted he had no real proof. And of course they deny they are killing and beating their own citizens.
Taliban US Aid: http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=70895§ionid=351020403 yet when the story of the Iranian ship seized carrying arms for the rebels in Yemen was seized by Yemen broke silence at Presstv. Hundereds of articles on it but here is the first hit of google: http://www.france24.com/en/node/4910354
3) Ad hominem circumstantial:
Are we trully to believe the Iranian regime speaks the truth? Reporters without borders said over 100 journalists and bloggers were jailed over the course of the protests while 23 remain in jail(http://www.rsf.org/Arrests-of-journalists-since.html.) Being owned by a government is not indictment but is so when when it is Iranian press. Western owned agencies may put out propoganda but would they black out the gory details of bloody protest. No yet Iran will. Presstv takes it further and when it pops up in a comment sections on another article it is deleted always! I have a screen shot I can send you if you want to prove this. To compare western media with that of Iran is comparing an apple to an orange. My point on the Goldstone report was not so much an attack on the report itself but of the OIC’s but the duplicity they exhibit in light of darfur.
4) Noam Chomsky:
I think you may have missed my point. I do not have an issue with him and he is always an enertaining read with a lot of good points. I brought him up in the context of “could the Iranian version of Noam, a person highly critical of the government, ever exist under this regime.” I elaborated stating I doubt a FPJ that was critical of the regime would ever be able to openly work in Iran. They would be shut down just like numerous other papers have in Iran. Freedom of the press does not trully exist in Iran and it is why I have issues with Presstv.
5) “about those ‘evil jooos’ bent on world domination!”:
This was a generalization and me lampooning Irans fixation on the issue of Israel in light of what is going on in their own state. On any given day Israel usually has three to four headlines. Today 3 out of eight directly refer to Israel and two indirectly. No problem with this except the fact not one story about the protestors out yesterday in the tens of thousands. In the West a protest of this magnitude would have been front page new especially considering the brute force the police exhibited. On a funny note while the protests were in full swing in Iran on the 12th or 13th they aired a cooking show with no footage of the protests!!!
Thx
Bill
Jeremy,
Thank you for your response. Here is my response with the links requested-
1) Impartial:
Rape- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXubiBqOizA click on the more info next to the yellow subscibe button for a partial english translation. Also google Ebrahim Sharifi and Maryam Sabri for any number articles about the two who made it out of Iran to tell their story of rape.
Beatings and killings- http://iranbodycount.blogspot.com/ or http://www.iranhumanrights.org/2009/06/list/ for a detailed list with details of those killed. Go online and veiw any number of the videos on youtube showing countless beatings.
In both cases these would be front page news in the West until it got resolved yet Iran has virtually blacked it out. They are doing so because to openly admit it would literally kill the regime. Have you seen the videos about the unmarked graves that was leaked out? Here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELQoI72b24M&feature=related
2) Double Standard:
Jewish blood libel: http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=108532§ionid=351020202 and Iran conveniently omits that the author of the original article admitted he had no real proof.
US Aids Taliban: http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=70895§ionid=351020403 they put this up yet are silent when one of their ships is seized in Yemen with arms for the rebels. Google the subject and their are a ton of articles but not a peep from Iran. I suspect Iran was silent on this one because they couldn’t play the old “Israel” angle they did with the other ship seized recently.
Iran harps about outside interference but these articles and many more show they have no qualms doing it themselves.
3) State owned is fallacy of ad hominem circumstantial:
Your wrong it has everything to do with it. Being a state owned agency is generally not an idictment but for Iran it is. Building a defense based Western journalism vs. Iran doesn’t work because It’s an apples to oranges comparision. Here is why–Ask yourself how many papers get shut down in the west, how many have government officials monitor all their work, have to employ deep packet filtering(only China and Iran), require government officials to tail each and every reporter, lets their military acquire a controlling stake in their largest telecom, actively delete all or most posts in the comment sections that are critical of the state, openly state like the IRNA their purpose is to protect and export the state ideology, and etc etc? Iran does all of this and it is indicative of a police state akin to the press of any totalitarian state. Reporters with borders just reported Iran has arrested over 100 journalists and bloggers with 23 still in jail(http://www.rsf.org/Arrests-of-journalists-since.html.) My friends brother is still in Evin and his crime was not being in the protests but having been employed by a reform paper shut down years ago!
4) Noam Chomsky’:
I think you missed my point on this. I have no problem with him and have found his articles entertaining packed with good points. I brought him up in the context of asking if an Iranian version of “Noam ” could ever openly function in Iran? A Iranian “Noam” would most likely be in jail or in exile. I also elaborated posing the question if an Iranian “FPJ” highly critical of the government could ever exist in Iran? How long would an Iranian “FPJ” or “Noam” last if they printed an article highly critical of the embassy takeover or questioned Irans nuclear goals? Their record of censorhsip and habit of closing news agencies clearly show either scenario highly unlikely.
5) “evil jooos” bent on world domination:
This was a generalization and lampooning of the Iranian press in light of their absurd actions. Just today 3 of the 8 leading articles were directed against Israel with another 2 indirect. Not one article on the tens of thousands of protestors on the streets 11/4. A good juicy protest is front page news in the West yet Presstv did not post one article even mentioning it! It was business as usual with Iran celebrating the daily bash Israel holiday. Israel deserves much of it but why is it that Iran is so silent about its own issues?
The above points and many more have clearly led me to believe Presstv is more of a propoganda arm than objective journalism. To easily see this in action go to presstv and post a highly critical comment or something mentioning the rapes, deaths, or beatings. It will be deleted and all that much quicker if its an article on the supreme leader or the elections. I post under “Mad Kafir” and almost 95% of my posts are deleted within an hour. Sometimes the articles are just blocked and it shoots you back to the home page when you try to post.
Your fighting a good fight against injustice, but don’t let it close your eyes to the transgressions of others! I blind myself at times and it is why I read sites like yours because it forces me to expand my horizon.
Thx
Bill
1) I don’t consider that video evidence. It’s an allegation, and this does not verify the allegation. I never questioned that beatings and killings occurred. I said that they were reported reguarly on Press TV, contrary to your assertion that it was not.
2) The report, “International probe into Israel organ theft called for” is accurate. I fail to see what the problem is here. The report “Ex-diplomat: US supplies arms to Taliban” cites former Afghan Ministry of Foreign Affairs Vahid Mujda as its source. I see no problem with this report. As for the ship, yes, Press TV has reported on it. For example: http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=109878. Assuming there were arms on that ship, there’s no reason to presume Iranian government involvement over black market arms deals, etc. We just had a report of an Iranian ship carrying arms to Hezbollah this week. And, as usual, there’s no verification of the assertion, just an unsubstantiated claim by Israel.
3) Saying a media outlet is “state owned” is not a fallacy so long as one is merely observing this fact. Where it becaomse a fallacy is when this fact is used in an attempt to discredit something reported by that outlet. Reports from Press TV, like reports from any other source, should be assessed on the basis of their actual content, not simply on the basis of it being state owned.
4) Gotcha. I misunderstood your point. Thanks for clarifying. I think I presumed because so many people use his name as though it were a bad word. Yet when I ask them if they’ve ever actually read any Chomsky, the answer is almost invariably “well, actually, no”.
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I’m not saying Press TV is not biased. It certainly is. But so is ever other media outlet. You can Press TV a propaganda outlet. Fair enough. But so is the New York Times.
Jeremy,
Thank you for your response. My reply is as follows:
1) Terming the video an allegation is correct but you have to ask yourself why this person had to leave Iran to do it. In fact his whole immediate family made it out of Iran. That fact is in line with all the rape victims famlies and friends either being arrested or brought in for questioning. Karroubi even mentioned the “interviews” were in fact interrogations that appeared to be trying to build a case to discredit the claim. One of the rape victims actually commited suicide upon learning the regime was coming to rearrest him. Now why would the regime not pursue the crime but instead be working to discredit it? My point about the killings is that until they got solved they would be front page news in the West. In Iran you may get an article from time to time but on the whole it is largely ignored. Why?
2) Iran does clearly practice a double standard. The articles were just an example of what the focus on while largely ignoring internal issues. As you can see everyday the spend the bulk of their lead articles “bashing” someone else. They have no problem crying interference but practice it quite liberally themselves through the media. Read this article, http://www.presstv.ir/classic/detail.aspx?id=111270§ionid=3510304 ,and ask yourself have you ever found western MSM medcia putting out an article like this. Plain in simple it is an Islamist attack piece and the author Kian Mokhtari has done a bunch of these articles. Can you imagine a attack on an Islamic holiday in the West to this extent? CAIR would have field day exposing the Islamophobes.
3) I always read an article for its content but the reality exists most Presstv articles do serve a specific agenda. I don’t completely discredit them but take it with a grain of salt knowing the amount of control and censorship evident. Further evidence is the fact that one of the missions of the IRNA is to promote and spread the revolution(I cannot provide the link because IRNA english has been disabled since the election.) This is not to say other western outlets pursue a political agenda it is just that most do so without direct government oversight.
I do agree most western media spouts propoganda but in my mind none equal Presstv. As a side bar I did some research on the author and noticed he had a few other blogs. It was interesting to see that the blogs either stopped or had almost no articles after the election.
Thx
Bill
1) I don’t know who the individual in the video is or where he shot the video at. I have not idea whether he made it in Iran or elsewhere. If you’ve got more sources on these allegations, feel free to share them. But this video offers nothing in the way of evidence.
2) The author of that piece is free to express his opinion about Christmas celebration, just as commentators in the West offer their opinions about things, including Islam. I happen to share his opinion on the commercialism of the holiday. I can’t speak for Britain, but his observations are certainly perfectly true for the holiday in the U.S.
He’s also absolutely correct about the unbiblical nature of the holiday. It’s not a “Christian” holiday, but a pagan one. That’s simply a historical fact. You’ll also notice he’s not issuing an “attack” on Christmas. Notice he has a positive view of people celebrating in the spirituality of the holiday. He’s clearly got no problem with Christmas itself. It’s the commercialism and the historical fraud of Christmas he is criticizing. And fair enough. Rightly so.
3) As to the question of whether commentary in the West bashes Islam or spouts propaganda, it’s really not a question. I see no difference between Press TV and the New York Times when it comes to bias and lack of objectivity. If anything, I’ve never seen Press TV engage in the kinds of outright lies and deceptions the NYT and other Western news sources do on a rather consistent basis. Their reporting re: Iraqi WMD being an obvious case in point. Or take Ethan Bronner and Isabel Kershner’s reporting on the Israeli massacre in Gaza, for another case in point.
Really, Bill, I see no sense in criticizing the reporting of foreign media organizations when our own media in our own country engage in such despicable behavior. It’s easy to point the finger. Doing so without hypocrisy is a much more difficult task.
Jeremy,
1) Just google Ebrahim Sharifi and their are a number of artilces about this incident. As for validating it I think it is fair to say it will be impossible considering the lengths the Iranian regime has gone to in order to suppress it. It is a little hard to prove your case when the regime silences the medical workers involved, raids Karroubi’s office confiscating any evididence, and tired to intimidate friends and families to remain silent.
2) I actually happened to agree with the ‘over commercialization’ of Christmas as well. My point was you would not find such a direct article bashing a Islamic holiday is western MSM. I encourage you to read more Kian’s articles and the tone is actually quite consistent for anything Western(ie captialism, democracy, and other faith groups.)
3) I agree Western media does practice propoganda and the whole evil called the Iraq war is a perfect example. On the whole I do not think Western media is any where near Presstv when it comes to state sponsored propoganda. A recent example is the pictures both Kahyan and Presstv presented of Ahmandinejad’s Tabriz speech. They both used photoshopped pictures showing a bigger crowd. I saw the Presstv one but it has now been replaced with another( http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=111681§ionid=351020101). Here is the evidence: http://azadipress.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7533&Itemid=2 & http://enduringamerica.com/2009/11/21/the-latest-from-iran-21-november-towards-another-week/#comments . Because Presstv is designated as the international voice of Iran it would equate to the state department releasing photoshopped photos of our leader. Probably has happened in the past but the Iranian regime has been caught quite to many times by the green movement for either photoshopping pics or claiming green rallies as their own(they of course photoshopped out the green.)
I would like you to also read these two articles to get a feel for the press situation in Iran. The first one talks about how the Fars agency was purged by the regime following the election and the other is story from Newsweek about a freed journalist from Iran. Note in the Newsweek article the claim the corrspondant from the Jon Stewart show was a spy in the you can’t make this up category. Here are the links: http://www.roozonline.com/english/news/newsitem/article/2009/november/20//in-the-hands-of-interrogators.html http://www.newsweek.com/id/223862 .
Thx
Bill
1) “As for validating it I think it is fair to say it will be impossible considering the lengths the Iranian regime has gone to in order to suppress it.”
That’s like when our government argued that the fact we can’t find evidence of WMD in Iraq proves how well Saddam Hussein is hiding them, Bill.
2) Again, he wasn’t bashing the holiday. He was bashing the commercialization of the holiday, a criticism both you and I share. So what’s the problem?
3) The paper with the photoshopped photo is not Press TV.
Roozonline is not a reliable source. It’s a key pro-Mousavi propaganda outlet.
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2009/07/21/the-case-of-the-%E2%80%98fatwa%E2%80%99-to-rig-iran%E2%80%99s-election/
Now, the freedom of the press in Iran is very, very lacking. No doubt. And the article may be accurate. But take it with a grain of salt, just as you would something from Press TV. For instance:
One night before the election, Fars news agency quoted a fabricated “public opinion” center to have predicted Ahmadinejad’s victory with more than 60 percent of the vote. The report was disconcerting to Mir-Hossein Mousavi and Mehdi Karoubi’s campaigns regarding the integrity of the election results. On the evening of June 12, the results of the same opinion poll were announced by the head of the government election body as the official final election results.
They’re asserting that the announced results were simply fabricated out of thin air. But this claim has little credibility. The fact is there were observers from both parties at the polling stations, the election council did a recount, and Western opinion polls since have confirmed popular support for Ahmadinejad– in fact at 63% people who approve of him, the exact percentage by which he won the election.
Jeremy,
The debate has been fun and hopefully well have some more. For a bit of fun visit http://www.peopleofwalmart.com. Look through the pics of the people in Walmart. I was dying with laughter but then I realized the significance of my find–we found the long lost Bush voter base!!! Sort of reminds me of “you might be a readneck if you see a sign saying stop crack and pull up your pants–you might be a redneck if go to your job interview with beer in hand–you might be a redneck if your house has wheels!” I have relatives in Kentucky and I am afraid to say some would make it on the people of walmart site. Have a good holidays!
Thx
Bill
My favorite is the hidden image stereogram outfit! LOL!
Oh come now you didn’t think the “back cleavage” was the best?
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