Newly disclosed emails show that Libya’s plan to create a gold-backed currency to compete with the euro and dollar was a motive for NATO’s intervention.
The New Year’s Eve release of over 3,000 new Hillary Clinton emails from the State Department has CNN abuzz over gossipy text messages, the “who gets to ride with Hillary” selection process set up by her staff, and how a “cute” Hillary photo fared on Facebook.
But historians of the 2011 NATO war in Libya will be sure to notice a few of the truly explosive confirmations contained in the new emails: admissions of rebel war crimes, special ops trainers inside Libya from nearly the start of protests, Al Qaeda embedded in the U.S. backed opposition, Western nations jockeying for access to Libyan oil, the nefarious origins of the absurd Viagra mass rape claim, and concern over Gaddafi’s gold and silver reserves threatening European currency.
Hillary’s Death Squads
A March 27, 2011, intelligence brief [archived here] on Libya, sent by long time close adviser to the Clintons and Hillary’s unofficial intelligence gatherer, Sidney Blumenthal, contains clear evidence of war crimes on the part of NATO-backed rebels. Citing a rebel commander source “speaking in strict confidence” Blumenthal reports to Hillary [emphasis mine]:
Under attack from allied Air and Naval forces, the Libyan Army troops have begun to desert to the rebel side in increasing numbers. The rebels are making an effort to greet these troops as fellow Libyans, in an effort to encourage additional defections.
(Source Comment: Speaking in strict confidence, one rebel commander stated that his troops continue to summarily execute all foreign mercenaries captured in the fighting…).
While the illegality of extra-judicial killings is easy to recognize (groups engaged in such are conventionally termed “death squads”), the sinister reality behind the “foreign mercenaries” reference might not be as immediately evident to most.
While over the decades Gaddafi was known to make use of European and other international security and infrastructural contractors, there is no evidence to suggest that these were targeted by the Libyan rebels.
There is, however, ample documentation by journalists, academics, and human rights groups demonstrating that black Libyan civilians and sub-Saharan contract workers, a population favored by Gaddafi in his pro-African Union policies, were targets of “racial cleansing” by rebels who saw black Libyans as tied closely with the regime.[1]
Black Libyans were commonly branded as “foreign mercenaries” by the rebel opposition for their perceived general loyalty to Gaddafi as a community and subjected to torture, executions, and their towns “liberated” by ethnic cleansing. This is demonstrated in the most well-documented example of Tawergha, an entire town of 30,000 black and “dark-skinned” Libyans which vanished by August 2011 after its takeover by NATO-backed NTC Misratan brigades.
These attacks were well-known as late as 2012 and often filmed, as this report from The Telegraph confirms:
After Muammar Gaddafi was killed, hundreds of migrant workers from neighboring states were imprisoned by fighters allied to the new interim authorities. They accuse the black Africans of having been mercenaries for the late ruler. Thousands of sub-Saharan Africans have been rounded up since Gaddafi fell in August.
It appears that Clinton was getting personally briefed on the battlefield crimes of her beloved anti-Gaddafi fighters long before some of the worst of these genocidal crimes took place.
Al-Qaeda and Western Special Forces Inside Libya
The same intelligence email from Sydney Blumenthal also confirms what has become a well-known theme of Western supported insurgencies in the Middle East: the contradiction of special forces training militias that are simultaneously suspected of links to Al Qaeda.
Blumenthal relates that “an extremely sensitive source” confirmed that British, French, and Egyptian special operations units were training Libyan militants along the Egyptian-Libyan border, as well as in Benghazi suburbs.
While analysts have long speculated as to the “when and where” of Western ground troop presence in the Libyan War, this email serves as definitive proof that special forces were on the ground only within a month of the earliest protests which broke out in the middle to end of February 2011 in Benghazi.
By March 27 of what was commonly assumed a simple “popular uprising” external special operatives were already “overseeing the transfer of weapons and supplies to the rebels” including “a seemingly endless supply of AK47 assault rifles and ammunition.”
Yet only a few paragraphs after this admission, caution is voiced about the very militias these Western special forces were training because of concern that, “radical/terrorist groups such as the Libyan Fighting Groups and Al Qa’ida in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) are infiltrating the NLC and its military command.”
The Threat of Libya’s Oil and Gold to French Interests
Though the French-proposed U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973 claimed the no-fly zone implemented over Libya was to protect civilians, an April 2011 email [archived here] sent to Hillary with the subject line “France’s client and Qaddafi’s gold” tells of less noble ambitions.
The email identifies French President Nicholas Sarkozy as leading the attack on Libya with five specific purposes in mind: to obtain Libyan oil, ensure French influence in the region, increase Sarkozy’s reputation domestically, assert French military power, and to prevent Gaddafi’s influence in what is considered “Francophone Africa.”
Most astounding is the lengthy section delineating the huge threat that Gaddafi’s gold and silver reserves, estimated at “143 tons of gold, and a similar amount in silver,” posed to the French franc (CFA) circulating as a prime African currency. In place of the noble sounding “Responsibility to Protect” (R2P) doctrine fed to the public, there is this “confidential” explanation of what was really driving the war [emphasis mine]:
This gold was accumulated prior to the current rebellion and was intended to be used to establish a pan-African currency based on the Libyan golden Dinar. This plan was designed to provide the Francophone African Countries with an alternative to the French franc (CFA).
(Source Comment: According to knowledgeable individuals this quantity of gold and silver is valued at more than $7 billion. French intelligence officers discovered this plan shortly after the current rebellion began, and this was one of the factors that influenced President Nicolas Sarkozy’s decision to commit France to the attack on Libya.)
Though this internal email aims to summarize the motivating factors driving France’s (and by implication NATO’s) intervention in Libya, it is interesting to note that saving civilian lives is conspicuously absent from the briefing.
Instead, the great fear reported is that Libya might lead North Africa into a high degree of economic independence with a new pan-African currency.
French intelligence “discovered” a Libyan initiative to freely compete with European currency through a local alternative, and this had to be subverted through military aggression.
The Ease of Floating Crude Propaganda
Early in the Libyan conflict Secretary of State Clinton formally accused Gaddafi and his army of using mass rape as a tool of war. Though numerous international organizations, like Amnesty International, quickly debunked these claims, the charges were uncritically echoed by Western politicians and major media.
It seemed no matter how bizarre the conspiracy theory, as long as it painted Gaddafi and his supporters as monsters, and so long as it served the cause of prolonged military action in Libya, it was deemed credible by network news.
Two foremost examples are referenced in the latest batch of emails: the sensational claim that Gaddafi issued Viagra to his troops for mass rape, and the claim that bodies were “staged” by the Libyan government at NATO bombing sites to give the appearance of the Western coalition bombing civilians.
In a late March 2011 email [WikiLeaks copy here], Blumenthal confesses to Hillary that,
I communicated more than a week ago on this story—Qaddafi placing bodies to create PR stunts about supposed civilian casualties as a result of Allied bombing—though underlining it was a rumor. But now, as you know, Robert gates gives credence to it. (See story below.)
Sources now say, again rumor (that is, this information comes from the rebel side and is unconfirmed independently by Western intelligence), that Qaddafi has adopted a rape policy and has even distributed Viagra to troops. The incident at the Tripoli press conference involving a woman claiming to be raped is likely to be part of a much larger outrage. Will seek further confirmation.
Not only did Defense Secretary Robert Gates promote his bizarre “staged bodies” theory on CBS News’ “Face The Nation,” but the even stranger Viagra rape fiction made international headlines as U.S. Ambassador to the UN Susan Rice made a formal charge against Libya in front of the UN Security Council.
What this new email confirms is that not only was the State Department aware of the spurious nature of what Blumenthal calls “rumors” originating solely with the rebels, but did nothing to stop false information from rising to top officials who then gave them “credence.”
It appears, furthermore, that the Viagra mass rape hoax likely originated with Sidney Blumenthal himself.
Note
[1] The most comprehensive and well-documented study of the plight of black Libyans is contained in Slouching Towards Sirte: NATO’s War on Libya and Africa (publ. 2012, Baraka Books) by Maximilian Forte, Professor Anthropology and Sociology at Concordia University in Montréal, Québec.
This article was originally published at the Levant Report and has been used here with permission.
Interesting. Thank you.
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Good way to get the white house constantly contacting you. I stay away from anything they put up, as much as possible.
A March 27, 2011, intelligence brief [archived here] on Libya, sent by long time close adviser to the Clintons and Hillary’s unofficial intelligence gatherer, Sidney Blumenthal, contains clear evidence of war crimes on the part of NATO-backed rebels. Citing a rebel commander source “speaking in strict confidence” Blumenthal reports to Hillary [emphasis mine]:
Vast right wing conspiracy
Vast right wing conspiracy
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The amazing part of all of this is ‘how many times can she commit acts of treason’ against the United States of America before Comey/Lynch INDICT HER!
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You are absolutely right, but I hope you don’t support the other criminals (ie. Republicans). All of them, both parties are treasonous.
Of course he supports the others.
Sounds like good.
I believe she is down to her last 61 get out of jail free cards.
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If any of this is true, Hillary should hang.
Sarkozy too.
narkozy is a jew … gas is for the jews
That is EXTREMELY offensive. Please do NOT stoop to that level. Can we please this discussion civil to a moderate degree? We can criticize actions and people, but do we need to attack a group of people?
Throw both of them in Jail.
together in the same cell with all the viagra they can stand
All Western goyim who looked the other way while eating icecream should also hang.
There is, however, ample documentation by journalists, academics, and human rights groups demonstrating that black Libyan civilians and sub-Saharan contract workers, a population favored by Gaddafi in his pro-African Union policies, were targets of “racial cleansing” by rebels who saw black Libyans as tied closely with the regime.[1]
It’s all true. War criminals par excellénce
The Foreign Press covered much of this at the time, but you had to visit their sites and Patriot News Sites to find it.
As for Trump, geez, he’s a reality TV guy who is a competitive game player and high roller who moved from centrist Democrat to centrist Republican and ended up running successfully for the Republican nomination. This is the choice Americans can make. Who among you calls that a choice?
yeah- they’re on top of it
“IF”…hehehe
https://www.foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCEmail_DecWebClearedMeta/31-C1/DOC_0C05779612/C05779612.pdf
It’s true.
Thanks Ganesh for the website link!
This filthy LIEING wasted piece of the female antomy needs to be in a Federal prison, RIGHT NOW! This ‘Boar Hog’ LIAR contines to go on CNN, MSNBC, NBC and lies in every interview. Who’s holding up throwing her in jail for treason and fraud?? Not Trey Gowdy for sure…it is probably that fuking idiot Elijah Cummings (D-Maryland) who ignores facts from witnesses, from her testimony to Congress and the thousand of e-mails! She has broken at least a dozen or more Federal Laws.This LIAR b*tch needs to go down HARD and bounce her out of her lieing campaign for President
Would love to see Trump take on Bernie Sanders!! It would be a blood bath for Sanders!
I doubt it but there may be enough idiots to vote Trump
Almost all Arabs in the middle east are hoping and praying Trump is elected. They know he is for peace and not a warmonger. He is not part of the US whores/establishment/globalists that have infiltrated our gov’t. The middle east is stunned with wonder over the massive amount of killing of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of troops and civilians. For what? They don’t understand. They can’t believe it can be only for money, gold and oil. They are all hoping and praying.
Do not wish for Donald to be president: he will take us into war again because he is that stupid. He has no understanding of foreign policy, the monetary policy, or any thing else. This is a nightmare for the people of the US.
And you are just a paid globalist/establishment troll. And not a very good one.
TRUMP 2016 ! ! ! !
Remember the Hillary campaign pays millions to have her internet trolls , protect her failed polices and denounce Trump.
Yes she does! But there is no way to keep up because most citizens with a brain are finally on to her. A million paid trolls would not be enough. I’m saying
TRUMP
LANDSLIDE
2016 ! ! ! !
Vinnie: I think your IQ is drifting somewhere below 80.
I was thinking the same. Clearly a paid troll.
Troll Alert!!!!!!!!!!!
So Hillary understands foreign policy? She is one of the idiots who brought us to the point we are at now! Yes trump is a loud mouth! Yes trump can be a insensitive ass! But make no mistake he is a private citizen! Think of all the lost business he is experiencing because he is pointing out all of the political corruption on both sides! I laugh at all of you who would rather see someone who is so corrupt be our next president! We deserve better! But it makes no difference because we have turned into a weak country that is sensitive, and that is going to be our downfall! And Hillary and the elite know this and are using it on us! Educated? I don’t think anybody who votes for Hillary has any common sense! I don’t care if your a rocket scientist I will still call you a idiot and this is coming from a uneducated man! I will argue with anybody who defends her because she has no defense! She is corrupt and always will be! The one thing I will give her is she is a great liar! And you idiots fell for it! You know why? Because of your own selfish needs! God help us all!
Lisa Gunther you are stupid.
Your response is stupid; it gives us Trumpeters a bad name. Please stick to the issues rather than personal attacks.
Are u kidding ?
no 9 mos. ago and still no. We should remain civil if we want to make a point. Otherwise, why would anyone listen to us. I actually disagreed then and still do with Lisa. It is an advantage to bring fresh ideas into the swamp. When Trump asked for results by McConnell, he responded that “Trump doesn’t know how legislation works in the Senate. We need to take it slow…..” This statement by the senate majority leader is the epitome of what’s wrong with our system. We need real change and perhaps Trump is who can enact that change, because he does not condone the status quo. DRAIN THE SWAMP.
What do you know about US foreign policy and why do you think Trump has no understanding of it? I mean, he’s said quite a lot about foreign policy. In what ways does he understand it differently from how you understand it? People who saw Trump the way you see him missed so much about him that they were unable to know how to defeat him, they underestimated him so he won, he used very smart strategy, he’s not an expert in political strategy but he hired people who are and they beat the heck out of the professional politicians who oversimplified him as “stupid.” i think maybe he lured those people into seeing hm that way and underestimating him, but that is pure speculation, maybe he was just being himself, but he is a much less simple person than people who tend to oversimplify in their thinking are aware, and this makes them unable to compete with him.
Why would Arabs believe the notorious liar Trumpf wants peace or disfavors war? The brutish carnival barker hates everyone except white people of the 1% class, only white men matter. The Donald flaunts his bankruptcies, corruption and violence from behind the wall of barricaded media and untouchable privilege. How does his rabid anti-Muslim rhetoric please Arab tastes? Actual U.S. peacemakers struggle to be heard, sabotaged by the same warmongers that sponsor Trump and Clintons. Bernie Sanders could help, if anyone can.
You obviously are still listening to MainStream Media monopoly. Get off the poison. Check reality. Even a little research on your part will reveal to you how MSM twists what he says. And why do Arabs believe Trump will bring peace? I don’t know except to say my friend is from Iraq…lost his leg there…and he told me that most of them believe that. And, well, they can see what Hillary had brought to the Middle East…. WAR AND KILLING! That could be the reason. Lol
MSM *IS* drumpf and h, 24/7 coverage inescapable of both liars with TheDon’T plastered on every screen ceaselessly. It’s that LinkTv on constant default setting that brainwashes me relentlessly with old fogies like Chris Hedges, Amy Goodman, Noam Chomsky, Ralph Nader, Danny Glover, etc., etc., teaching truth, justice, peace and l.o.v.e. instead of commercial consumer panic. Sorry you disagree, but neither msm-sponsored phony candidate is worth further comment. Good luck.
You don’t know that. I believe you are wrong about Trump. Time will tell. I think you will be eating your word. And many of the people you listed are very biased to liberal view points. To really get the big picture you have to widen listening.
Trump is neither Republican or Democrat, he’s not ideological, he’s a pragmatist. When he started out, i thought he was a joke, a temporary part of the scene, but i soon realized he is very different and he is coming from outside, and he is playing the system very skillfully, he is not playing by their rules, he’s creating his own game. He beat the pros at their own game. NOBODY has ever done that before, win the presidency from the outside. It’s a big WOW. I’m among the growing number of people who believes this country is screwed if it doesn’t get a new type of leadership but i despaired that it could change because the existing leaders , both parties colluding together, have way too much power to ever be dislodged. And then along comes Trump. Wow. Smart guy, goes by instincts, very careful and good at choosing staff. Stay tuned.
“It’s all true. War criminals par excellénce”.?
There’s news reports all over the place contradicting you. And you are stupid enough to believe that anyone is going to fall for your little tale about “my friend who lost a leg says.” What are you, a third grader?
You are ridiculous. You need to first listen to Trump before you spout MainStream Media lies. Get the facts and come back!
I’ve listened to Trump’s words directly. He is an absolute complete fucking idiot with sociopathic tendencies. And you are a complete fucking idiot who wouldn’t know facts if they smacked you in the face. Trump is now on his way to the biggest rout in a presidential campaign in history. And you will soon have to find something else to troll online about.
You are STUPID, as all Sanders and Clinton supporters are. I accuse all their supporters of being unAmerican , also socialist communist ideology, never in USA. Wake up womanity
You are really out there. It is very disturbing when someone holds delusions such as you do.
Caroline, i think of the two Trump is the wiser choice, and Hillary has already demonstrated her incompetence, arrogance and foolishness, the unsecured email server, the war crime Libya, lying that the reason was to protect civilians and then created a humanitarian disaster that doesn’t stop but goes on and on and draws in ISIS like a magnet. But the way you talk about “all” Sanders and Clinton supporters sounds exactly the same as the kind of thinking that you’re criticizing in someone else. Oversimplifying and demonizing your enemy is just not smart.
You have no idea what Arabs in the Middle east are thinking. You can’t just make up shit. Here’s what they really think, and from a credible source, fool. http://time.com/4140280/donald-trump-muslims-middle-east/
Not even.
It was only for psychopatic lust to destroy other people´s life, homes and families.
Jebus, we can only hope. He is as dumb as a box of rocks.
He’s crazy like a fox. NO one from the outside has ever come close to winning the presidency, and no one thought it could be done, no one even considered that he could win, or even get the Republican nomination. There is one ruling faction in the US, and it’s divided in to subfactions, and the main two subfactions share power, and no one else can get in, the media insures that, outsiders who try to get in will be smeared in the media—then along comes Trump and he changes the game, he has all that wealth, and he is a player and he likes to play, and he played to win, he intelligently hired very skilled strategists, he changed staff as needed, it was really something to watch. He is NOT dumb. You don’t win the US presidency as an outsider, opposed by the most powerful political factions in the world, who use their usual tools to defeat outsiders who try to come in, if you are dumb. Sorry. Trump is many things, and he has a dumb act he puts on but people who were so freaked out by these things about him reacted emotionally and this clouded their ability to see reality, and they underestimated him, and he played on this. You have to watch closely with an open mind if you want to learn about something very new and different that’s going on. If you see it in terms of your pre-existing categories and concepts, you blind yourself and then you get unpleasantly surprised. You are unequipped to take action to defeat the problem that you see, and you lose. Trump impressively outsmarted his enemies and he’s still doing it, and part of why that is, is that they are blinding themselves to the reality of him, particularly his strengths. It’s foolish to blind yourself to your enemy’s strengths. This often happens with people who are so accustomed to controlling power that they feel overconfident and entitled to win, and this was a demonstration of what can happen when people let emotion determine their thinking. Trump outplayed the insider politicians at their own game. He didn’t take anything for granted, he was an impressive competitor, and that is not going to stop, unless the CIA assassinates him which seems highly possible. I expect he is preparing for that, probably has his own security people and his own intelligence people. Time will tell. I think his enemies should learn from their mistakes, look ahead to 2020, and understand how the society is changing, things always change, this is a time of change, and as the dinosaurs should have done, “adapt or die.” Don’t be arrogant, don’t take things for granted, don’t try to win by promoting hate. It won’t work. Be smart, play to win with intelligence, not with habitual belief systems that are growing obsolete. Trump is a teacher, potential future leaders can learn important things from his example, i and i don’t mean his crude persona, but i do mean people should consider the ways he is different and why this would appeal to a lot of people, and why when he is attacked in the conventional ways, his support grows rather than weakens. People need to put their egos aside and be humble, and learn new things.
what gives me a chill is all the Americans who think that voting for Hillary is not idiotic. It’s worse than idiotic, it’s a vote for ongoing crimes against humanity against innocent people.
i wish everyone would face up to it, US elections are bull. There’s no real representative choice, unless someone who commits atrocities against the innocent represents you. i don’t know, maybe it does. There were plenty Germans who supported Hitler, it’s called patriotism (and lack of a critical perspective), it’s human nature. i don’t know what’s in people’s heads when they think someone who already has blood on her hands up to her armpits is somebody to vote for, i only know there are a lot of them out there and i don’t like what that says about America as a country, not good.
As for Trump, geez, he’s a reality TV guy who is a competitive game player and high roller who moved from centrist Democrat to centrist Republican and ended up running successfully for the Republican nomination. This is the choice Americans can make. Who among you calls that a choice?
Between the two i would rather see Trump because he has persistently, despite unpopularity of the position, advocated keeping the US out of intervention in Syria, he said “Let the Russians handle it,” i agree with that. The Russians are trying to strengthen the government of Syria and to help it take back Syrian territory that has been taken by armed opposition forces. this is what governments do, they defend the territory of their country. The Russians are giving strong support for a government that has been subjected to abundant unrelenting foreign support for armed opposition.
The US is trying to commit another regime change atrocity, the supporters of those in power in the US who want to do this, apparently a lot of Americans, think this is OK. Supporters of Hillary, people who trust her when she says her motives are to “protect the Syrian people.” Like in Libya, right?? RIGHT??!!! wake up. Please. People’s lives depend on it, stop supporting these atrocities, please.
Americans who support the leaders who advocate and perpetrate this are so scary, their sociopathic attitudes, excuse me, self righteous attitudes, about destroying the countries of people who were doing them no harm, were no threat to them, inflicting utter horror on them and with the attitude that anything the US does is not ever THAT wrong. Nothing to see here, move along people, turn your TV back on, go to the mall, don’t worry about it.
The Hillary faction AND MOST OF THE REPUBLICANS want to do this, they are in consensus about it, they have been doing this to the Syrians since 2011, arming opposition factions in Syria, funding them, who does that??? It’s the regime change policy, and regime change is just a euphemism for regime destruction, these people are left with no legitimate stable government, no police, no healthcare, no nothing, their safety is over.
Can Americans imagine what it would be like to have no government and no police, just a bunch of armed factions fighting over who is going to rule over various pieces of territory? The US weapons donated to the “rebels” they recruited are in the possession of so-called “ISIS,” the Saudis and Americans want nothing more than to eliminate the Syrian government, they know the so-called moderate are not clearly separated from “other rebels,” though because the rebels are factionalized, the US leaders claim that there are good ones and not as good ones. But they know very well that none of these factionalized rebel groups can rule that country, they don’t care if the country has a government, just so they don’t have the stable well armed and (i know it’s hard to believe) widely popular Assad government.
They are trying to isolate Iran and they are not taking kindly to Russia representing an alternative active power in the world, speaking out against destruction of Libya (have you seen Putin’s speech on you tube titled ‘Do You Realize What You Have Done?’, on what has happened to Libya in the wake of the NATO destruction of that country?) and on behalf of supporting the legitimate government of Syria as the first step to removing the “terrorists” (all armed anti-government forces) from Syria and surrounding areas. Did you know that Putin drew world attention to need to look closely at the evidence for who it was that committed sarin gas attacks on civilians in Syria? The UN inspection team that went in there right after it happened came out and filed an official report saying that victims they interviewed said it was the ‘rebels’ who caused the attack. Two MIT scientists, one a former weapons inspector, also in 2013, investigated the missiles fired and determined that they were not the kind the Syrian government used, and in any event, the areas the government held were too far to strike those targets. Did you ever see this on US media? Did Obama ever mention it? (i’m being sarcastic).
Since when is it OK to arm opposition groups and fund them and recruit and train them in a country who’s government is not cooperating with your government, to incite violent overthrow of that government? Is this the way all countries should conduct foreign policy.
Trump is not on board with the demonization of Putin. He has not taken a position for or against Putin, he has taken a position for negotiating and deal making with Putin. You do that by keeping communication open. You don’t keep communication open by demonizing the person you want to deal with. As for “the Russians” interfering with the US elections by whistle blowing about criminal and unethical behavior by Hillary and her associates, no evidence of this has been given. All there is to go on is “top intelligence officials say..” Haven’t people understood yet that it doesn’t matte what they say, they are not trustworthy? They said there were WMD in Iraq, they said they have evidence. They lied. They were serving the political faction that wanted the war. There were many in CIA that opposed this because they knew it wasn’t true, google it if you don’t believe it, there was a big factional struggle in the CIA about this. The truth did not win. “What the president wants us to tell him” won. FBI director Comey says Clinton did various things like destroying subpoenaed evidence, treating classified information casually, breaking all kinds of rules, but, nothing that could be successfully prosecuted in a court of law. He didn’t say she didn’t do anything illegal. He said courts would not pursue it. But people think it follows from that that it must not be illegal. A lot of people cling to the myth that there is equality before the law in the US and that “the people” really do rule the country. If this didn’t result in so many deaths and so much destruction in other people’s countries, innocent people, then i’d so go ahead, hang on to your little myths. but US patriotism is a treacherous thing, it’s used to commit the worst of atrocities, harming millions, damaging the safety and security of the world in the name of supposedly making it safe. There didn’t used to be American born Muslims committing mass shootings, until it became clear that Americans are not going to stop slaughtering masses of Muslims in other countries. This US militarist foreign policy on behalf of power interests is not going to ever make Americans safer. It’s only going to keep getting worse.
So as crude and unpolished and inexperienced at the BS and games of the US government as Trump is, his foreign policy is much less idiotic, smarter and more humane, which believe it or not, and i know most americans don’t believe it, IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF AMERICANS.
I realize most Americans don’t know anything about US foreign policy, it takes a lot of time and work, people don’t have that kind of time and energy. It makes me very sad to see the dominant factions in the US government shaping the way most people think so they can continue on with their militaristic profiteering policies around the world and their goal of violent global dominance.
This is not just Hillary, it’s way bigger than Hillary. It’s Lindsay Graham, it’s Marco Rubio, it’s Ted Cruz, it’s Jeb Bush, it’s Tim Caine, it’s John McCain, it’s Mitt Romney, it’s almost everyone you can name in the Republican and Democratic party. The competition between the two parties is smoke and mirrors, that’s why despite the mudslinging elections time after time, policy does not change a whole lot. Obamacare, progress, right? Wrong. Health care is getting more expensive than ever, the only good access to health care is still through Medicare and Medicaid, the insurance companies are still calling the shots and playing power games when they are not satisfied with their profit margin. “But they can’t deny coverage for pre-existing conditions anymore” It was going this way anyway, the insurance companies were going to have to change on that with or without Obamacare. “but young people can be on their policies until 26.” That is the segment of the population that uses the health care system almost not at all. Any of the increased cost to insurance companies that results from covering pre-existing conditions, the insurance companies will just make up for by raising premiums, deductibles and copayments, there’s no restriction on that. The public still has no long term health security, even those with good employee plans, if the militarist rulers of this country have their way, Americans will be pouring more trillions into military bases in more countries and ground forces here and there, as needed.
There are no choices in US national elections, not representative choices. In a situation where someone like Donald Trump is the wiser choice from the standpoint of foreign policy and its effect on domestic spending, simply because he is if nothing else a relative outsider, relative to the ruling faction, that is a really sad commentary, but things have been sad for a very long time, and the number of people coming to feel that way, to become aware, is growing. This election will be another nail in the coffin of the legitimacy of the US political system.
i don’t know if you would be an idiot to vote for Hillary but would say you would be a moral idiot, voting for imposing a no fly zone on Syria so their government can’t take their territory back, stabilize their country and begin to rebuild, it will be a vote for keeping Syria in violent unending chaos, violence which never would have started in the first place, if people like Hillary, and she’s far from the only one, hadn’t led the US into arming any opposition faction it could find and inciting them to overthrow the government, with promises to keep funding and paying them until they succeed at which time the US will insure they take over the government—and this US does not even know who these people are, but they don’t care. They know who Assad is, he does not cooperate with them, his country was stable, it provided better public health insurance than the US provides to its people, as did the destroyed Libyan and Iraqi governments. Mercenaries engendered by US policy, that’s what you will be voting for. Moral idiocy.
I agree with much of what you have written except for Syria. Have you talked to any Syrians? Do you have any friends who fled their country under Assad? With respect, I really think you should. They’ll give you a pretty good picture of who Assad is.. like many Iraqis can explain why they liked Saddam and all the good he did their country despite the state sanctioned murders. I recommend attending events held by Anti-Arab defamation league. i recommend this organization for more info as well. https://www.whitehelmets.org/en
White Helmets? The same WH as in founded by a British ex marine, affiliated with al Qaeida, staging and filming “rescues” of civilian victims of the “regime” using children as props?!
The White FAKE Helmets are the terrorists…Al-Qaeda! You are obviously still reading main stream lying media. These same White FAKE Helmets also cut an 11 year old boy’s head off!
So are you like one of these people who thinks it is OK when Republicans do it, but not Democrats? Why does it even matter? Seriously Trump? The guy who praised the Chinese for shooting protesters at Tienanmen Square?
This woman Hillary Clinton is heartless, a peaceful country was turned to war zone, the rest is history. She and other conspirators should be charged for war crime, period
Don’t forget….George Bush, Dick Cheney & Donald Rumsfeld too! They did the same to Iraq and Saddam Hussein. Saddam gave in to everything Bush demanded, but Bush was hell bent on going to war in Iraq. In fact Iraq had agreed to give private contracts for everything to NATO/US businesses…health care & health/hospital equipment, pharmaceuticals & many other areas of business….including agreeing to buy 1 million Ford cars a year for 10 years. They had agreed to give almost everything they possibly could to get the false sanctions against Iraq removed. Do a search for “Susan Lindauer CIA whistleblower” if you haven’t heard her side of things yet. MSM has given her story zero coverage.
Why can’t you liberal assholes ever accept Hillary is a corrupt lying self serving POS without saying well others did it so it’s okay.
First off ..I’m not a liberal or an asshole. And I wasn’t saying “others did it so it’s ok”. I just like to make sure we don’t forget those other assholes! It’s important not to forget what all of them have done. It’s not too late to arrest and prosecute every one of them for war crimes, treason, and God knows plenty more! Try not to read into things. You made yourself look like an asshole by running your mouth off.
What other crimes? The fake Russian collusion paid for by the Clinton campaign and asserted by Obsmas FBI & DOJ to spy on Americans. Glad to see Uranium is finally being investigated. Sorry if I hurt your feelings “ Snowflake”
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Why can’t under-educated drones like you accept the fact that you haven’t got the slightest idea what you’re talking about? You fantasies do not pass for argument. You’re making a fool of yourself.
At least Obama was a handsome guy and had a nice family.
Silly comment the Bush attack was UN authorized and authorized by Congress.
There is no Bush did it too here now is there. No Congress and No UN authorization. Hillary lies again.
No, the UN did not authorize the US war on Iraq, which was under international law a war of aggression, “the supreme international law”, as defined at Nuremberg.
Nor can Congress “authorize” the Executive Branch to violate international law.
The UN reviewed the entire Libyan situation. Read Wikipedia and try to get something resembling even a semblance of an education.
Yet it remains true that the UN emphatically did not authorize NATO to engage in a policy of regime change.
Continued resort to insult on your part will result in you being banned for violating the terms of use of this site.
Please correct me if I am wrong but as a simple country lad, I always understood that NATO was a mutually defensive organisation – if one member was attacked, the other members came to its aid. Why is it being used offensively?
Because the pretext of NATO as a “defensive” organization masks its true purpose of being just another mechanism by which the US exercises hegemony over the globe.
No doubt in this statement.
NATO was promoted by the USA and accepted by European countries in 1949, Gordon, as a military union to defend against any USSR attack on Western Europe.
Europe instigated a radical alternative policy (the Schuman Declaration), that of developing mutual advantageous trade Deals, in the hope that trading partners would be less inclined to go to war with each other.
First came the Coal and Steel Organisation, then the Common Market then the European Community and later, the choice of adopting the Euro.
In sustaining peace the EU has been, and is, hugely successful, Europe has enjoyed it`s longest period ever without European War.
Meanwhile the justification of NATO (Attack by the USSR) evaporated with the collapse of Soviet Russia on the 26th December 1991.
USA pressure on European NATO members resulted in NATO aggression in Kosovo, and since then in Afghanistan.
(The collapse of Yugoslavia was the renewal of Balkan States independence, and traditional borders. The USA instigated NATO involvement in Kosovo which has resulted in UN peace keeping troops still patrolling borders that are still disputed, while everywhere else in the former Yugoslavia normal friendly relations exist.)
NATO was, and still is, a de facto arm of the USA military machine and a relic of post WW2 confusion and uncertainty in devastated Europe. In 2018 it should not exist, nor should those 600 or more USA military bases outside USA borders.
The Clinton and Bush Crime families are both littered with war criminals. Both of their next respective family reunions souls be held at the Hague.
Joined at the hip. Harriman fortunes. WWII coal and steel in Poland and sale of the firm afterwards. Prescott B. and Roland H. DLC and Pamela H and Bill Clinton
Holocaust lawsuits silenced and payments to Israel. Bush and Harrimans never pay war restitutions. Its easy when ya do guilt.
You left out Henry Kissinger, Kevin. The biggest war-criminal and crook of the lot of ’em!
you are a clueless partisan.
The US is crammed full of clueless partisans of both parties and independents, because their minds are managed by the mass media which is a propaganda organ, this is one of Assange’s biggest points of what wikileaks is trying to combat, the dominance of a media that just makes up stories to justify these wars, promoting them, and creating a situation where Americans live inside a disinformation bubble and are very very ignorant. When asked in an interview what he saw as the main enemy of the mission of wikileaks to bring truth to the public and to expose war crimes and the corruption of those in power which perpetrate them. He said “Ignorance.” that’ was his first thought when he heard that question. And then he talked about the nature of this ignorance, which led him to identify the mass media as the greatest enemy to the truth wikileaks is endeavoring to bring to the public. The political parties are tools to distract the public’s attention away from what the leaders of those parties are united in carrying out, violent and corrupt pursuit of global domination, the competition between the parties takes peoples attention away from what is happening before their eyes. it’s a ploy, to give the idea that there is real choice in US elections. Like John Stewart said in a recent post-election interview, i think it was with John Pfilgar, (sp?) on CBS, and i’m paraphrasing here, “Trump didn’t just repudiate the Democrats. Trump is not a Republican. He repudiated the Republicans.” This was not a pro-Trump interview by Stewart. It was a pro-truth interview. He had critical things to say about Trump, and as always, he had more important critical things to say about the media.
Why does it even matter?
Clipart
i can just speak for myself. It matters to me because awareness of the millions of innocent victims year after year, the destruction of regular people’s lives, the hundreds and thousands of deaths, the mailings, the carnage, the PTSD of all those people who have a war zone inflicted on them, who have their government replaced either by an even more authoritarian one, more backward and extremist, or leaving them in chaos with no government, their country basically destroyed, it makes me sick and unhappy and feeling helpless because i can’t make it stop. Human beings who did nothing to threaten my country, who were just living their lives, going to work, sending their kids to school, enjoying time with their families, to have all of that destroyed, and all the buildings that had been a part of their lives, just bombed out rubble in the wake of the US and its allies and mercenary proxies, the fueling of the replacement of secular governments that provided free public education and healthcare, and a stable environment, replaced by Islamic extremists, becasue US created a power vacuum for them to take over, knowing this would happen, but pretending they were stupid and ignorant enough that it was a big surprise.
That’s just why it matters to me.
If you were one of the some 450 million Arabs of the Middle East, and the 80 million Iranians, Clipart, you would know it matters very much.
And it matters very much that, for most Americans it does not matter, even those who think the American war of independence mattered.
Iraq war in 2003 was not authorised by the UN….it was yet another illegal war or intervention!
Bush DID IT. He didn’t do it alone, “it” had bipartisan US support and global support, not by the people globally but by their governments. Famously, the French government refused to support the atrocity against Iraq. But anyone who doesn’t see this as a US dominated action under US leadership and supported by other countries under US pressure, is stuck inside the same disinformation bubble we all (Americans) live under. The only hope for changing this normalization and sanitation of what are violent wars on civilians, destroying whole countries, is for increasing numbers of Americans to emerge from their ignorance. One of the most hopeful signs is the role of wikileaks in raising more and more questioning and doubt of the mass media in the US among Americans slowly realizing that the simplistic good guy/bad guy reports in the media are not informative, and leave people in ignorance, and being ignorant leaves one vulnerable to being manipulated. Under Bush’s leadership, the government and country of Iraq was destroyed. You can learn about it if you want, or choose ignorance. It’s not a matter of blaming Bush, and those Republicans and Democrats who make it about that are living in the bubble. The New York Times, CNN and other liberal media outlets all over the country, all the big ones, are at least as responsible as Bush and Cheney for Iraq, the US Congress of both parties is responsible, the plan of taking out the Iraq government was agreed on since its failure to defeat Iran, which the US had backed, overtly supporting the Iraq government and arming them with chemical weapons making materials which the US intended for them to use on Iran. This was under Reagan—and supported by both parties. This is the US government. It’s not one party or the other. People waste their time and energy in making it about one or the other. The guy you responded to who reminded people of what was done to Iraq wasn’t trying to “blame Bush.” That person was trying to show the bigger picture. It’s not just the Obama administration and prominently Hillary Clinton who are war criminals. The previous administration led and entrenched the US in the same much larger Mid East project they have going on, they are united both parties. i can’t tell the difference. They are all war criminals, the so-called liberal media, they are extremely powerful, and Fox news is part of that too the same militarist narratives, the same silencing of critical perspective, the same demonizing of various foreign countries, they have been doing this my whole life when they were destroying governments all around the world, they feel entitled to do this, and they, through the media, exploit the people’s trust and monger the people’s fear of demonized enemies. The only hope to stop the river of blood and innocent victims and destruction is for Americans to lose trust in their lying brutal government which always claims humanitarian motives while creating one humanitarian catastrophe after another. They took over the Iraq government in 1953, destroying a progressive secular constitutional elected multiparty parliamentary government, Iran’s first, and replacing it with a US run police state through an Iranian puppet autocrat hated by Iranians, this is horrible for one people to do to another, it was done for oil, it’s not speculation. It’s published information. Learn it. They have been using lies the whole time, they lie and to the extent the US public believes them, they can keep on doing it. If you learn how much they have lied, and how many lies and what kind of lies, then you will develop a critical perspective where you question everything. If enough Americans do this, the atrocities can begin to be stopped. Public opinion polls in the US were strongly against the 2003 Iraq war. Bush administration couldn’t start the war without public support. Many Republicans supported it because they trusted their leader. Those against it were the Democrats and independents who did not trust Bush, all partisan stuff. So then, out marched Bill Clinton, to solemnly speak to the American people (his very large number of loyal followers), telling them the war was necessary, Americans were under threat, serious threat form WMD, very serious, our way of life, etc etc lying war propaganda. Then out marched widely respected and trusted moderate, Colin Powell, and off he went to the UN, holding up a fake vial of anthrax and saying “we need to stop this threat.” Voila, the polls changed, Bush rushed the UN inspectors out of Iraq on threat that they would be bombed and killed, though their inspection only had about 3 weeks left to be completed, but Bush knew, and the media knew, that the UN inspectors had almost finished a year long inspection and had found no evidence of WMD in Iraq–so, had to stop that investigation FAST. Bush knew there were no WMD, it was a public opinion fear mongering ploy to get US domestic support for the war. This isn’t just Bush who did this, it wasn’t just Obama who destroyed Libya and is int he process of destroying Syria, with Russia stepping in and trying to stop this incredible rendering the Mid East into chaos and violence, creating power vacuums for ISIS and al Qaida to fill. Bush invited Al Qaida into Iraq where it wasn’t previous able to be active, thanks to Saddam. US created power vacuum, faciliated growth the “Terror war,” one of their fear mongering propaganda ploys to keep Americnas unquestioning and ignorant. If Americans weren’t so ignorant, thanks to not having a news media that does real investigatve journaliism and reporting, they would have considered the facts, that Iraq was a badly defeated country, since 1991 when the US demolished their civilian infrastructure, their military and disarmed them, and that ever since then, the US had imposed a no fly zone on them and bombed the north of their country periodically when the government tried to put down Kurdish rebellions, under Clinton, and the CIA freely ran all over Iraq, with Iraqi government forced permission. Whey would a country that is an urgent threat of being able to attack the US with WMD, allow this to be done to them for over a decade?? if Americans could only THINK, and question, and be informed. But they are not informed and so in their ignorance, they are misled and manipulated in to supporting atrocities, imaging that that they are in self defense and for humanitarian purposes. People’s minds don’t work. That is the intention of the kind of disinformation media that has widespread control over what information the public is or is not exposed to. i want to add that there are factions within the US government, there is different over military policy. When Bush #1 had demolished the Iraq military in 1991, the big debate was whether to march into Baghdad and take over the country and put it in the hands of some puppet government, or to leave the Saddam government and use instead a policy of forcing a very poor quality of life on Iraqis (who had previously had a good quality of life by Arab standards under Saddam and is part of the reason they weren’t trying to overthrow him, along with his very decisive violent responses to anti-government factions that took up arms against the government). The faction that wanted to not take over directly but instead undermine support for Saddam by preventing Iraq from rebuilding its civilian infrastructure, using the UN for this crime against humanity, forcing Iraqis to live without their destroyed sanitation system, babies and children persistently exposed to dysentary causing bacteria, with 200,000 child deaths, all under the myth bullshit that Iraq was a potential threat to anyone. It was a thoroughly defeated country, but this was not reported in the media because it was more useful for Americans to be ready to see Iraq as a threat, so the government wouldn’t have to deal with annoying public opposition to future decisions to wage wars of aggression to destroy other people’s governments. Since when did that become OK? It’s not ok and they use lies to have Americans think they never do it. And they’ve been doing it throughout my life, going on 7 decades.
Bush was a pawn! He was someone the people would like, that’s why he was prez!
Don’t forget Bill Clinton, he bombed northern Iraq for 8 years, Iraq was defenseless, he and Bush enforced sanctions that prevented Iraq from rebuilding the US destroyed sanitation system (destroyed by the first Bush). this is a bipartisan thing and always has been, both parties promote and support these atrocities, the New York Times was in as responsible in 2003 for American peoples’ willingness to support the unprovoked war of aggression against the people of Iraq, destroying their country, resulting in millions of refugees having to flee because their country was ruined and unsafe. It’s not just the presidents in these war crimes, it’s not any one party. It’s liberals and conservatives, it’s moderates, what Julian Assange has called “the extreme center” in the US, which is carrying this out, one country after another, while the media does an effective job of keeping Americans ignorant, fear mongered easily manipulated people, who then give the public support or acquiescence that is needed.
Very well observed. Most people in US are quite ignorant about US foreign policy and what kind of harm it has caused to certain / other countries.
I have come to realise that in a similar fashion through a common bipartisan effort, both Republicans and Democrats in the 1970’s decided to abandon if not betray Shah’s Iran, a long time so called trusted ally ( who delivered oil) , ( in a similar way to Ghadaffi) by publically lauding Shah’s modernising / westernising efforts for Iran while at the same time stabbing him in the back with fabricated and exaggerated claims of human rights abuses by SAVAK and supporting the vile uneducated religious Khomeini to take over power in Iran.
It was payback time. The Shah’s downfall was that he dared to hike up the price of oil x 4 (1973/1974) which the West was disgruntled about and also dared to imagine of Iran as an economically and militarily powerful country (US and UK had no issues selling billions US $ arms to him) that was also becoming increasingly independent of US/UK.
US government, Big Oil and Big Banks, never forgave him for having such ambitions for Iran, so they decided just like in Libya to secretly fund the anti-Shah opposition, tarnish Shah’s image as much as possible and prop up Khomeini and his religious zealots and retards to create mayhem and take over and ruin Iran instead. Like Lebanon (1975), Iran was seen to be instrumental in spreading the contagion of an Arch of Destabilisation, that would require US and UK to maintain a presence in Middle East so they can deal with artificially created crises of their own making. Diabolical indeed.
Problem is ordinary people in US, UK, Iran etc and in most countries in the world, don’t think analytically and have close to no understanding of history and how game of international (geo-) politics actually works, that is why politicians across the board tend to get away with such plots / manipulation for the most part.
Yes but it also included an oil embargo. For which strategic interest quickly moved to the Middle-East from Vietnam guzzling all that B-52 fuel. So here we are today where it all started in WWI for the new oil based military. Plus a Saudi king was assassinated by a lone gunman. And yes Iran turned out to have a longer memory than we thought about the days of Mossedegh.
It seems to boil down to the Carter/Clinton Doctrines of our demand to have access to strategic resources anywhere in the world and likely under conditions we deem acceptable to us.
So on to pitting Iraq against Iran and secretly hoping they kill each other off or at least weaken each other, We may be still playing divide and conquer today for the entire region now.
We may also have learned from WWII, destroy enough of entire cities and eventually everyone has to settle down and let you help them rebuild..
Who’s holding up throwing her in jail for treason and fraud?
Batman is on his way.
While over the decades Gaddafi was known to make use of European and other international security and infrastructural contractors, there is no evidence to suggest that these were targeted by the Libyan rebels.
Lesson learned: Never give in.
It would be a blood bath for Trump. Trump can’t even handle a debate. He was banned from some media. Trump shows he knows nothing on world issues, when he talks to reporters. Trump has no experience, no record, no agenda, no platform and bad morals. Bernie’s record shows, he works for the people.
That’s funny. Trump is the only one speaking the truth. Listen to the liars if you want. But in the long run you are going to severely regret it if you get your way.
Trump is a con man. He’s so high in his ivory tower, he doesn’t know what the issues are, let alone how to fix them. He will only work for the top rich. Bernie made great changes in Burlington as Mayor. People gave him a high approval rating. We would not regret getting him as President.
Really? “banned from some media outlets” Which ones? and if so, why? For speaking the truth and exposing these liars? Bernie is a joke, and sold out to the very ppl that stole the nomination from him.
Drunk people speak the truth, that doesn’t make them qualified to be President. You can look up what he was banned from, it was around the time of the GOP debates. And it wasn’t for speaking the truth, it was because he is a jerk.
Bernie was a real candidate, with experience and integrity. For him to sell out, would mean he accepted a bribe. Where is proof of the bribe. There is none. He may have been threatened. We will see. He may be continuing to work for the people and against corruption, from within the system. His record shows, he is still working for the people. People are lucky to have a man like him in Congress. Some are not smart enough, to appreciate it.
Bernie is supported by the Communist Party, and is a Communist. Trump is NOT a part of the Marxist ideology of political correctness. I suggest you take a course on political science, Communism is not dead, and it is a real threat to the US as always.
Caution!!! The link I am presenting here is from the Communist site. DO NOT BELEIVE THE LIES PROMOTED ON THIS SITE!! http://www.cpusa.org/article/bernie-sanders-political-revolution/
Bernie is not a communist. He is a democratic-socialist like, the Scandinavian countries. Democratic-socialism is not Marxist. The Cold War is over and socialism has evolved. The most prosperous countries use social democracy concepts like, police , fire dept, universal healthcare, etc. If communists support Bernie, that does not make him a communist. They may prefer a real candidate, as opposed to the others who are corporate puppets or part of the elite, who are ruining our country. Most Bernie supporters are ordinary people. Don’t fall for oligarchy propaganda that calls everyone, who does not support their corruption a communist. Their propaganda goes against Trump, too. They are painting him to have Russian ties, etc. Bernie is for capitalism. He is against the abuses of capitalism like, our founding father’s who, made monopoly laws. He thinks big business needs to be regulated enough so, the weak are protected but, not too much so, people can have a business and get rich and enjoy their money. He doesn’t hate the rich. He hates the weak getting trampled on. Here is an article on what kind of politician Bernie is. It says, Reps loved his economic work, even though, they were against him at first.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7510704
This is too much (years of political science study) for me to explain to you in a post, but there is no such thing as a Democratic Socialist, it is an oxy-moron term. Please look up the real meaning of Democracy, it is not what you think, and there is NO democracy in Socialism. Communists always change thier terms in order to fool the masses, and socialism is a communist term like progressive.
The whole ideology of Communism is to fool the masses into thinking they need government to survive. The corportate elite that you speak of are also communist (Globalist). Communists have realized that free enterprize works, and they have used it to gain power so now they can create monopolies and control the masses. They have been doing it for over a 100 years through thier take over of the public schools, media, and even Hollywood. They know that whoever controls the information, controls the world. This is why they want to censor the internet, they are losing the information war through the new media (internet).
The cold war may be over, but we can never stop fighting tyranny. There are always bad ppl that want to control others.
I am not against everything Bernie stands for, but I do not believe he would stand his ground. Also, you must remember that many Republicans have sold out to the Globalists, and that is why the hate Trump so much.
I am 51 years old, and have a good education, but America is not the same as it was 30-40 years ago. I think we have come a long way in some areas, but we have also lost much of our freedom because someone out there always thinks they know what is best for you.
The Scandinavian countries show, social democracy works. Socialism is doing what is best for the masses and the masses can vote, to make it democratic. Socialism doesn’t turn into communism. Socialism is not communism. The ideologies are theory. In real life there is corruption that can twist any ideology for bad. Global elitists can use any ideology to achieve their goals, if people don’t stand up. Bernie stands up to oligarchy. That is what makes him great. Trump profits from the rigged system of the elite. I don’t see him standing up to the system. His choice of VP supports the oligarchy.
You should get informed before spreading propaganda. Socialism is not working in Scandinavia. Perhaps you should look up other sources besides the socialist sites you visit.
He is now living in a big house on the ocean.
He is not living in a big house on the ocean. Get informed before, spreading smear. Bernie’s wife inherited a home. They sold that home, to buy a moderate lake home, where Bernie does a lot of work. It’s affordable on a Senator’s pay. Many senators have much more expensive homes. This is no proof of bribery.
I stand corrected.
” Who’s holding up throwing her in jail for treason and fraud??”
I guarantee the clintons have a little black book of black mail to use just in case of emergencies like this.
Thats what mass surveillance is being used for, to black mail people in power like judges and congress.
“Page Not Found”. Was it really taken down?
HAAHAHAHA. What scumbags. ‘Freedom of Information Act’ my a$$.
Fortunately, the WayBackMachine got it. One of the most useful and amazing pages on the Internet.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160109230627/https://www.foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCEmail_DecWebClearedMeta/31-C1/DOC_0C05779612/C05779612.pdf
Thank you for the “backlink”
you can see that this email was written in a non-serious manner, by an unknown person, and those allegations are just his interpretation.
Sounds like a very impartial and serious summary of events to me.
full of layman speech and simple banal political outlooks. “qaddafi has nearly bottomless financial resources”, referring to people with their first names without prior mention “jabril, jilal and others are impatient”, simply lay adjectives for a philosopher: self-promoter, semi joke figure (Bernard Henri Levy), talking about sweeping rumors (which are false), and doing it with bad grammar: “Qaddafi may be dead, or maybe not”. and then just wild speculations about what qaddafi plans to do with his gold, (which isn’t itself a danger, as a strong currency first needs to have low inflation, which african countries could not achieve), and then proposed motives for france’s intervention, which are only re-iterations of motives that have been thrown all around ever since USA invaded Iraq in 2003. Any guy on the street who has watched the news a bit can tell you the same motives for any military intervention by the western world: oil, influence, internal politics, show of military hardware.
It’s a memo from her close political confidant, directly to her. It’s not written for the Congressional record or something. That doesn’t mean it isn’t serious.
it could be from a crazy conspiracy theorist for all we know, because it has no real insight, just lay interpretations and unoriginal ideas for france’s motives which have no touch with reality.
Hey, f*cking idiot, it’s by Sidney Blumenthal, a close Hillary Confidant, to Hillary.
Angry because I don’t buy your crazy talk? How do you know he’s a “close confidant”? How do you know she takes this guy seriously at all? I’m sure she doesn’t because he’s simply crazy, hillary knew the reason for and supported the Nato campaign. You would know too if you weren’t watching Bollywood at the time. Even more stupid is you halfbrains presenting this as the reason for the bombing of Libyan army, whereas it’s only a delusional guy’s blogging, no different than what you guys write here.
The lengths some people will go to in order to deny information that doesn’t conform to their predetermined beliefs…
i guess you’re talking about people denying the obvious, stated, world-wide witnessed reasons for the air campaign in Libya. Because there’s no information in this letter. It is simply one man’s idea of what France’s motives are.
It’s not just some whacko conspiracy theorist writing, as you seem to have convinced yourself. It’s a journalist and long-time close adviser to Hillary Clinton. It’s not as though it’s that far out that Western powers act out of financial interests when it comes to their foreign policy. Or would you have us believe that they would only wage war on a country with the most benevolent of intentions?
they did not wage war on libya. secondly, even with the current situation in libya kerry said something must be done. back then it was 10 times worse. but you’re a dumb ignorant sensation seeker so it doesn’t matter for you.
Why don’t you return here to Earth from the planet you were living on when the US waged war on Libya and get caught up so we can have a discussion.
why don’t you go take a look at Libya, and see if it got warred?
Bush Sr said Iraq was about more than oil. I personably would not believe the person who founded the CIA, who are by far the worlds worst terrorists.
like denying the scientific fact that vaccines work and are safe? like you do.
I’d be more than happy to have a discussion of the facts about the safety and effectiveness of vaccines, if you’d like to set aside your predetermined beliefs about the subject and take that discussion elsewhere. To stay on topic, I reiterate my point about how your statement “I’m sure [Hillary Clinton] doesn’t [take Sydney Blumenthal seriously] because he’s simply crazy” illustrates your willful ignorance of information that doesn’t conform to your predetermined beliefs.
what is information? him saying i think this is why france bombed them? that’s not information that’s a conspiracy theory that’s divorced from facts.
You continue to illustrate my point.
“Newly disclosed emails show that Libya’s plan to create a gold-backed currency to compete with the euro and dollar was a motive for NATO’s intervention” you are incapable of understanding written word. this is as crazy man’s ramblings about a motive for the air campaign, the letters do not reveal the motive. so if anybody thinks X is the motive for country Y doing something, that “reveals” the motive? what a bunch of idiots you are. oh by the way your whacko web site has blocked me. i guess you idiots like to simmer up craziness among yourselves I should not disturb you.
One could say the same thing about your own comment, which would seem clearly to be much more applicable.
Exactly. Ferit’s desperate rambling and denial, was a little amusing at first, but now it’s morphed into something just sad.
This is too much (years of political science study) for me to explain to you in a post, but there is no such thing as a Democratic Socialist, it is an oxy-moron term. Please look up the real meaning of Democracy, it is not what you think, and there is NO democracy in Socialism. Communists always change thier terms in order to fool the masses, and socialism is a communist term like progressive.
The whole ideology of Communism is to fool the masses into thinking they need government to survive. The corportate elite that you speak of are also communist (Globalist). Communists have realized that free enterprize works, and they have used it to gain power so now they can create monopolies and control the masses. They have been doing it for over a 100 years through thier take over of the public schools, media, and even Hollywood. They know that whoever controls the information, controls the world. This is
why they want to censor the internet, they are losing the information war through the new media (internet).
Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine
https://www.foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCEmail_DecWebClearedMeta/31-C1/DOC_0C05779612/C05779612.pdf
Bummer.
The machine that serves this file is down. We’re working on it.
It’s up now:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160109230627/https://www.foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCEmail_DecWebClearedMeta/31-C1/DOC_0C05779612/C05779612.pdf
Thank you for the link and the source, much appreciated
they removed that pdf file, link is broken
The link is broken now,. what happened?
https://web.archive.org/web/20160109230627/https://www.foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCEmail_DecWebClearedMeta/31-C1/DOC_0C05779612/C05779612.pdf is it
the documents/info have been removed..
https://web.archive.org/web/20160109230627/https://www.foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCEmail_DecWebClearedMeta/31-C1/DOC_0C05779612/C05779612.pdf
Lol page not found wow
I posted an archive link elsewhere in this thread. If you can’t find it, just copy and paste that URL into archive.org
Link’s dead. I suppose it was the e-mail? You have a mirror or picture available?
Interesting how all this information is now GONE.
Yeah, it’s pretty F*cked tbh. How you liking this ‘most transparent administration’ in history?
The amazing archive.org has got your back:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160109230627/https://www.foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCEmail_DecWebClearedMeta/31-C1/DOC_0C05779612/C05779612.pdf
It’s still there, they just changed the format, so individual emails could not be linked anymore.
page is gone
https://web.archive.org/web/20160109230627/https://www.foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCEmail_DecWebClearedMeta/31-C1/DOC_0C05779612/C05779612.pdf
also:
judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf
also:
wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328#efmADMAFf
The link you provided has been blocked
archive.org is an amazing tool
https://web.archive.org/web/20160109230627/https://www.foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCEmail_DecWebClearedMeta/31-C1/DOC_0C05779612/C05779612.pdf
also:
judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf
also:
wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328#efmADMAFf
Ganesh, This site in “no longer available”… Can you copy and paste its contents for us all to see! We need to get the word out!
I did in other threads here…
Pretty sure it’s this one?
https://web.archive.org/web/20160109230627/https://www.foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCEmail_DecWebClearedMeta/31-C1/DOC_0C05779612/C05779612.pdf
Thanks!
It is true and Hillary is a “credible” candidate to USA prez from Dems. Enjoy.
On the other hand, as if Obama is not as guilty as her. Just as W Bush is guilty of Iraq criminal aggressive war. Obama did nothing to bring Bush and his cohort to justice, because justice is not for USA prezes or State secs. Kissinger is a “honorable” man too.
The Iraq war was a response to Iraq invading Kuwait. The Iraqi forces were driven out of Kuwait and away from the border with destruction of much of their materiel to insure that they would not re-commence the invasion. This part of the U.S. aggression had a specifically target valid purpose, was well executed, succeeded, and stopped once the goal had been achieved. A detente was reached and hostilities suspended based upon agreements with the government of Iraq. Those agreements were violated, there was credible intelligence of the sequestration of weapons, this intelligence believed by all Western powers (and Democrats, Hillary included). The removal of Saddam, perhaps justified, was predictably a mistake since there was no sufficiently powerful stable replacement any better than Saddam to fill the vacuum and the U.S. withdrew, abandoning military gains and letting the whole disaster go to hell – like much of the rest of the Middle east. We also removed, by this action, a counterforce to Iran. They had kept one another entertained, so to speak. After trying to create a similar disaster in Egypt with only temporary success, we did it again in Libya and we’re certainly not exactly guilt free in Syrian events. It is difficult not to see the results of the actions of Obama and the State Department as anything but calculated to sow mayhem throughout North Africa and the Middle East.
Sure, USA could NEVER commit a crime, maximum a “justified mistake”
USA had never invaded any state and always (!) punish invaders. USA rulers never lie, so when they told that Saddam had WMD they sure believed in it, and never mind other people who had known better and had told so BEFORE USA aggression. And if USA imperialism is supported by Europe imperialism it is somehow made it better.
And sure, Hitler had NOT did something bad in purpose, otherwise he would be victorious, but as his deeds turned sour to him it means he had not planned what he did.
It could be funny to read FM were it not about the millions of murdered by USA imperialism’s crimes and even more hurt, robbed, uprooted and so on.
A piece of news for FM – the majority of the world population do NOT see USA /Europe imperialism as benign but somehow stumbling – they see it as criminal and aimed to their destruction. And this view is based on hundreds years of bitter experience.
Everyone in the world knows what Americans have been always doing. People just don’t say it out loud.
and when people do say it, capitalist media from which FM clearly took his position of just do not post it, so FM is still unaware of it.
My web “admirer” is very fond of polls. His (?) favorite piece is a poll of Libyans supporting of their own country bombed by NATO – which, of course, means that NATO was right to bomb Libya – he still claims it.
And my web “admirer” is still could not get that I am NOT “replying” to him, I just comment his imperialist propaganda.
>My web “admirer” is very fond of polls.
Fond of evidence, as opposed to you.
>His (?) favorite piece is a poll of Libyans supporting of their own country bombed by NATO – which, of course, means that NATO was right to bomb Libya – he still claims it.
So, the evidence shows what the evidence shows, if you have evidence that libyans would have been happier to have gaddafi bombing them then please present it.
>And my web “admirer” is still could not get that I am NOT “replying” to him, I just comment his imperialist propaganda.
Its because you know you cant win a factual argument, so you have to talk around them.
Yeah, polls. Like a new one in which Saudi citizens (70%) was happy with their state freedoms.
Hi lidia,
You accidentally replied to yourself instead of me.
What poll is this.
Also your argument relies on the tactics that a teenager would use, this is wrong, therefore this other thing is wrong too.
You claim to have been alive during the time of the soviet union so you obviously cant be a teenager, instead you must just be quite dim.
Now please exit this thread in an orderly fashion.
T my web “admirer” still could not get that I am NOT “replying” to him(!) – I do not usually reply or talk to Zionist-imperialist parrots. I simply comment on their propaganda to let others know what their lies are.
Funny how T still tries LOL
Aw shucks, youre breaking my heart lidia.
But youve kind of ruined this “not replying thing”, by basically “replying” to yourself when i am not around because you know you cant go toe to toe with me.
Your arguments are just too weak for you arent a very bright person.
Because of this you try to get in a last say hoping that some people will see this as a sign of victory, unfortunately for you most people arent as stupid as you are.
They see that your arguments are without merit and that your afraid to reply directly to me.
Now, move along with your tail between your legs lid, thats a good individual.
T stalks me all over the net, trying in wain to get my repay to his(?) parroting of imperialist/Zionist propaganda and also calling me names. It sure shows that he is not at all interested in me taking him seriously enough to answer. LOL
And youve quite clearly shown how ive gotten to you with your feeble attempts to portray it as otherwise.
If one didnt care one wouldnt say anything, but we see this isnt the case with you.
Getting to you isnt a goal though, or someone to be proud. But it has been shown nonetheless.
> LOL
Like a teenager.
T sure has a mania granidousa if he(?) imagines that I have never met such Zionist/imperialist parrots. As a matter of fact, I have refutations ready to their propaganda exactly because of a long experience.
But I must admit, this one is really something – he is stalking me all over the web, even on Russian websites. Not that it makes any difference to me – I see all of his ilk as the same and very predictable.
>I have refutations ready to their propaganda exactly because of a long experience.
People reading these threads will no doubt wonder why you are so shy about showing these refutations….
> I see all of his ilk as the same and very predictable.
Except for the fact that you clearly dont know “my ilk”, as shown by you calling me an imperialist and Zionist.
Now shoo along lidia.
> I have refutations ready to their propaganda
Youre very shy about showing them.
So far far we havent seen anything but bold claims.
Also commenting directly to my comment but replying to yourself on wsws, what an imbecile you are.
It must tear you up that most people on this planet see the soviet union as a pathetic failure.
Also commenting directly to my comment but replying to yourself on wsws, what an imbecile you are.
It must tear you up that most people on this planet see the soviet union as a pathetic failure.
Everyone in the world except most American’s because most of the countries derives almost 100% of their information on U.S foreign policy from mainstream media outlets. Which means in reality they know next to nothing about everything.
Thanks for the unexpected support! I wish I could disagree about the decline of U.S. world prestige, particularly in the Middle east where it could have had constructive effects. The Progressives have certainly mucked things up, and George Bush – while without the dedicated destructive fanaticism of Obama – was certainly and unmistakably a Progressive. Names are sometimes far from descriptive of what is named – perhaps a better name for that political philosophy should be “the Destructives.” While you and I may favorably view the diminishing probability of the continuation of these policies in a Hillary C. presidency, it’s hard to visualize the difficulties confronting the next President reversing the last dozen years of problems.
FM could not read? I am speaking about the mass-murder and other crimes and FM worries about “decline of U.S. world prestige”.
Of course, I am NOT “favorably view the diminishing probability of the continuation of these policies in a Hillary C. presidency”. Killary committed enough crimes serving USA imperialism already and sure would continue and commit even more if made a USA prez by USA ruling class, as usual. Of course, I have no illusions about possible alternative ie Sanders.
But where I write “crimes” FM read “problems” – nice word and no one is to blame, esp USA imperialist rulers.
>A piece of news for FM – the majority of the world population do NOT see USA /Europe imperialism as benign but somehow stumbling – they see it as criminal and aimed to their destruction.
Heres some polling evidence on the us:
http://www.pewglobal.org/2015/06/23/1-americas-global-image/
Here is russias in comparison:
http://www.pewglobal.org/2015/08/05/russia-putin-held-in-low-regard-around-the-world/
:/
Quick lidia, form a counter response and quickly reply it to yourself!
you need to learn to read better. Francisco wasnt saying usa is awesome. He was saying we got our fingers in places we shouldnt, and made thigns messier than theyw ere.
There was not credible intelligence. Bushies edited the CIA statement, cutting the denial by Oak Ridge nuclear analysts that the “tubes” had WMD capability. The report was quickly and entirely suppressed, though the news did come out enough to activate millions of protesters.
Decisions, even our own personal ones, are based not upon truth but upon what we believe. If you awaken at an early hour of the morning with the certainty you’ve left the stove on, you get up and go downstairs to the kitchen. I have telephoned an old friend whom I mistakenly believed to be alive. The world powers acted upon the best and most reliable information they had. Even if conflicting information existed, and even if your husband said “go back to sleep. You wouldn’t have left the stove on” you will still probably go to check it. A police officer recently shot someone who, when confronted, drew an extremely realistic pistol. He was not indicted because, under the circumstances and given what information he did have, he made a reasonable decision. Just as an illustration – there are “facts” about the Iraq WMDs, including the finding of the manufacturing facility and more recent discoveries of secreted weapons, but that is “received truth” and may all be lies. Remember: The Democrat Senate voted in Obamacare – based upon “truths” that Gruber later revealed to be lies. We are now suffering from the results.
Illogical and irrelevant: Fact is, the truth with absolutely the most accurately informed data on Earth was officially provided and deliberately buried. “Yes, honey, I checked the stove and it was NOT on fire.” Neocons and their anti-altruistic greed and violence are doomed, so please forget that nightmare dogma. As for the requisite swipe at Obamacare, universal, single-payer healthcare is the most proven system to deal with evolving medical concerns. Cheers.
But you “checked it and it was not on fire.” You checked it. Why? to determine that it was not on fire. Saddam would not let the inspectors in to check that he was not violating the terms of the ceasefire. Even Hillary Clinton believed Saddam had WMDs. Spoken publicly in a broadcast speech. Reported in mass media. Or was that just another lie motivated by her “anti-altruistic greed and violence?”
Of course it was a lie, a monstrous fraud. Weapons inspectors found zero evidence of nukes in Iraq. The Bush-Cheney Crusaders kicked out the authoritative expert Hans Blix immediately before murdering the populace with a heinous bombardment reminiscent of Dresden.
Did you read the definitive statement (deleted by cherry-picking goons) in which the world’s primary sources on nuclear research declared the so-called tubes were incapable of such armament? The 9/11 Commission had it.
Well, at least pretend to care about factual reality and look it up for yourself. That google thingy miraculously finds all sorts of data, if a search contains more than half-wit nonsense. I had a Q clearance for a massive nuclear project and have no patience for disinformation and warmonger hysteria. You do not want to know the truth, so far be it from me to indulge your delusions. Good luck.
You, being in supporter of the left and its failed administration clearly outlines your propensity to embellish information. Its a prerequisite for being a party member of the left. Their fraudulent elections are one way they win political positions. Support from a completely gullible and dillusional public, spoon fed the feces regurgitated from a gaping hole in the front of their heads, is the other. Hillary is a perfect example of the first way and you fall in to the second. Good Luck
But the Right doesn’t do fraudulent elections….uh huh
You are right about single-payer healthcare, but Obama care is NOT such, not even near.
And not only neocons are to blame for USA imperialism – Obama and Killary are not less guilty, for ex.
Of course, FM trying to whitewash aggression against Iraq is pathetic, but no one could do it better, because he tries to defend the indefensible
Agreed. No relief in sight (without a Bernie Sanders miracle revolution) for the criminally corrupt healthcare industrialists that kill, cripple and bankrupt more citizens than other developed nations have in decades. Tragic and part of the grander MIC.
Clintonian warmongering may be greater than Obama’s, but the old Establishment remains a neoliberal conservative gang unaffectionately dubbed neocon for the rare blend of oblivious arrogance. That Ayn Rand voodoo economics keeps people too poor and uninformed to respond.
Excuse me for going off point, disappointed in the #BernieBlackout setback that darkens prospects for change.
You are clearly delusional in regards to Obamacare. When half of obamacare co-ops have closed their doors, its not exactly a sign of its success. Cheers
Before the invasion of Kuwait, Saddam Hussein was cojoled by the US Ambassador into thinking that Washington would treat that incursion at arms length. What ensued was just the opposite, the whole media propaganda machine was set into motion, including the `humidicrib story and babies being thrown to the floor`, a total fabrication, but given the full treatment by the prestitute media. This gave the opening to US imperialism for the whole string of wars of aggression in the Middle East. Much as 9/11 used for the world-wide `war on terror`, a PR stroke of genius`!
Why would the notoriously liberal media support any action initiated by George Bush? Indeed, why did Hillary support the WMG intelligence in a speech, saying she was certain of their existence?
“the notoriously liberal media” is a misname. The proper name is “the wholly imperialist media”. USA imperialism is bipartisan, and both imperialist parties are turning the world into hell. Who was a prez – Dem or Rep in every case of imperialist crime is not important at all.
NPR reported the yellow cake memo was fake, then stood by and commentators said absolutely nothing about it following GWBush’s State of the Union where he used that memo as evidence to go to war with Iraq. I kept waiting for them to say, wait what. Never happened. Not in the “analysis” afterwards, or any other time. Liberal media, my ass.
>Saddam Hussein was cojoled by the US Ambassador into thinking that Washington would treat that incursion at arms length.
Tariq aziz himself pointed out that this wasnt true.
So I’m guessing you’ve already seen this? https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=incontrovertible+9%2F11
I believe you are right in what you say.
According to US general Wesley clark ( see youtube videos ) America had/has plans , in his words , to take down 7 Middle Eastern countries . They are well on the way . Saudi Arabia , probably the most brutal , medieval and illegitimate regime on the planet , was not on the list.
Second Iraq war came after we decimated their country with sanctions and bombed the shit out of them for a decade. Second Iraq war came after Saddam begged US not to strike, agreed to every single demand, plus agreed to buy one million US-made automobiles for the next ten years. Too bad, though, US wanted to bomb, maim, and kill, its own, and theirs too, in their cowboy wars. But hey, Madeline Albright said the sanctions that killed that half a million kids in the 90’s..they were Worth It. Yep..that’s what she said. And here we are.
“It is difficult not to see the results of the actions of Obama and the
State Department as anything but calculated to sow mayhem throughout
North Africa and the Middle East.”
Except for the fact that the neocons and the CIA had been running ops in those same countries for DECADES before Obama got into office waiting and planning to accomplish exactly what was done.
You clearly have no idea what the Zionists/neocons/CIA/DOD/MIC has been up to over the past half century.
The Unites States has been involved in wars and political intrigues in North Africa since the very beginning of the nineteenth century. It is, however, the actions of the Obama administration to which I refer. The roots of the current situation date back largely to the post WW I period. My reference is to the current situation and the abysmal blunders and miscalculations if from stupidity or treasonable acts against international law if deliberate, made by the current administration. the history of American involvement is not irrelevant to the situation, but is largely irrelevant to the current administration’s disastrous handling of it. More specifically, what has every appearance of a deliberate attempt to engender a state of anarchy in nearly all of North Africa and the Middle East by deposing or unseating controlling elements which, bad though they were, engendered a level of mayhem far below what their removal has created. Yes, Bush bears some responsibility, but the need is to correct the current situation. Iraq was in a (relatively) stable situation until Obama withdrew troops before there was a sufficiently well organized controlling power to maintain order. Our government is also providing financial backing and arms to terrorist groups, by second hand transfer if not directly. We are a major contributor to the actions that are driving millions out of the involved countries, an action that provides cover for terrorists moving into European countries and the United States. Note that the CIA is not now under control of any of the prior administrations. It is under control of the Obama administration. Holding a gun to the head of Bill Clinton or George Bush and demanding they alter the activities of the CIA would get you nowhere – but jail. Deal with now, not a decade ago.
And don’t forget that Saddam Hussein was extremely anti-terrorist. Iraq was a huge source of anti-terrorist intelligence. Saddam had plenty of faults, but he was a huge asset to the US….until it didn’t suit their plans.
What do you think of isis making gains in areas in which russia bombed?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYQF6y3UAAAuHS9.jpg
Bit odd, no?
the maps not really giving us much for context. Whats it take to lose or gain control of those dots? How long do they have to hold it for it to turn? Where are other collation air strikes? At least be fair.
I believe that new Presidents get sat down by surviving ex-Presidents and get the facts of life explained to them. All Presidents break the law, at least technically, at one time or another, or defend their behavior in ways that not all would accept. If one Administration prosecutes the preceding President, ALL Presidents will face criminal charges upon leaving office. It will be the end of politics as we know it, and future candidates for the office will be even lower on the food chain than the current mob.
I would love to see Bush, Cheney, Powell, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith and others behind bars, but I recognize that it is a political impossibility.
” It will be the end of politics as we know it”
Exactly – so this “politics” is just a chain of criminal rulers, so, sure, it should keep on, right?
And not Hillary? The most reprehensible person ever to seek the presidency. She should have been first on that list.
“The most reprehensible person ever to seek the presidency. She should have been first on that list”
Even though she was only a vp pick, id say sarah palin was the scariest person to ever get close to the white house, followed by clintons/bushs dynastys
Even with sourced citing, you still qualify and question, unbelievable…
What do you mean “IF”?
Obombma too.
Then Trump.
It didn’t begin with Hillary and won’t end there. This kind of crap goes back decades and no one ever answers for it….for very long..
Patreus answered for it as well as the guys who outed Valarie Plame
We all should hang for allowing our governments to get away with this garbage.
It’s all true.
Even if it’s NOT True!
The reason for the war is true the email evidence is whats new.
If you had any brain, you would be actually researching this instead of lounging in the back of a gravel truck and making smug remarks.
Its VERY True…Thats why its important to not get her elected. Votew Trump to get the Democrats out of there.
Yes Gaddafi want to pay for oil with gold ..this would have made the petrodollar less appealing …I’m not along sides here but it shows you the power of the MSM media by ignoring this for Hillary and Obama …..
It is their own email from the state department website, now many taken down after they have gained notoriety!
She should, and the fact she is not even being charged is a crime itself. Despite all we know, despite it was one of his main campaign promises, she is still running around free to continue her crime spree.
And BHL 3:)
The problem is the whole MIC and the general wish to make war somewhere to distract us form fighting among ourselves at home. It is a systemic problem not so easily cured by a few scapegoats.
I’d love to know if those emails touch on the Honduras coup….. she covered up all sorts of shit there, as well. It may well be a US National Security issue, of course…. assuming Chiquita Bananas is a national security concern.
Well it might well be considering the longstanding historical legacy of The United Fruit company which was essentially a front or body used by the CIA which controlled and influenced various governments in Latin America through it.
Go back further and see if Hillary put Bubba up to expanding NATO eastward after the fall of the Soviet Reich—despite a formal commitment by GHW Bush not to do so. Bubba himself was then making noises about turning the Black Sea into a NATO lake by getting the Ukraine to force Russia out of the Crimea. Obama later gets into the act, along with Lugar, by conning the Ukraine into getting rid of much of its conventional weaponry by promises they had no authority to make. Charming troublemaking bastards.
This is all very true. I knew all these things as they were happening back in 2011. The information was all over the Net back then. Videos of Libyans and migrant workers being executed! The war crimes were horrific! To think that this war criminal, aka Hitlary Clinton, is running for POTUS makes me physically ill!
“We came, we saw, he died”
This proves that US has been lying about everything on its intervention and policies.
Does anyone else remember When the USA was truly an honorable nation and force for the good of humanity throughout the world?
Of course that’s when we sent more Missionaries than troops in to change lives.
Being a Canadian I have not been brainwashed to the same degree that US citizens have been in history lessons. US foreign policy has always been atrocious,citing spreading democracy to the unwashed masses as a cover,while supporting unpopular regimes to further US business interests in said areas. Look at the Banana Republics in the 1900’s where they put the Sandanistas in power,and the El Salvadorians revolted and deposed them within 6 months. They supported the Shah of Iran,another dictator who tortured and murdered at his whim,who was deposed by the populous and ended in created the muslim state it is today which is now a firm enemy of the US and all things “Western”.
If you want to cite WW1 or WW2, please remember the isolationist policies that the US politicians pursued,saying it was not in the US’s best interests to join with us in the effort. By mid 1917,we had already been soaking the battlefields in our blood for three years. The Germans called Canadians “stormtroopers” because of our tenacity,courage and determination. By 1942,again we had been sacrificing our men for 3 years before the US threw in with us.
Your government supported Idi Amin for Us mining interests. Noriega in Panama. I could go on and on. I don’t belittle the contribution or sacrifice of your fighting men,some of whom joined the fight well in advance of your government’s whims,but I tire of hearing the US calling themselves the world’s police force.
George Bush Sr. was a statesman who forged an alliance of UN forces including 6 Arab nations to battle Hussien’s naked aggression in Kuwait.It was still not altruistic as Saddam threatened the world’s oil supply and economic stability.
George Bush Jr. though destabilized Afghanistan,then Iraq,and even going as far as threatening to do the same as in Iran,leading to the current situation in the world. To boot he insulted Canada’s honour by calling us poor allies when we didn’t join in his folly before the UN asked us to intervene. Hell,any idiot could see he was just doing it because of his failure to relight the US economy heading into the next election.He knew no incumbent President on a war footing ever lost an election.
Clinton tried a bombing campaign just to distract the media from his affairs.I dare you to name a single conflict involving the US that didn’t first involve US corporate interests.
The US IS a Corporation,
It is patently obvious to me that both our countries are being led by the nose because of the electorial processes and lobbyists that the corporations dominate. Maybe it is time we took the processes back out of their hands by limiting the amount of money they donate to elections and prevent the swag the politicians can accept. It might also help to reduce their salaries so that more people who looking to improve the country instead lining their bank accounts step up.
You know, by the people,for the people.
Good comment…btw, I love your clocks. (smile)
Word. Yeah, what they taught us in school about History turned out to be a fairy tale.
Nothing nuh new under Babylon’s sun… Relative to foriegn policy, this is business as usual for the West…
Damn these crooked Politicians.
she had Amb . Stevens Murdered , and pulled the Muslim angering video card from her sleeve for the media morons to latch onto .
Hillary – “We came, we saw, he died.” What an evil witch.
Gadhafi knew to much and was getting ready to move on his own, solution: kill the bugger.
She is literally “The” Wicked Witch of West :)
this reeks of right wing extremist propaganda.
Your comment reeks of ideologically induced willful ignorance.
in other words he, (nubwaxer) knows whats going on and he’s a fuckin liar !
The left-right paradigm is propaganda.
You’re a fuking IDIOT for sure Nubwaxer!! You sound like someone who would ‘wax his nub!!’
With no attempt to beatify Gaddafi, he might well have stayed alive had he put the nation’s gold and silver in the hands of his own people instead of some repository begging to be looted. That fact is, no nation today is a friend of the people in monetary matters. A return to honest money is as simple as making the soi called “security strip” in money out of gold, or silver- that would offer them some security!
That’s what he was trying to do with the gold dinar, if you actually read the article you would know this. I am resisting the urge to call you stupid, and am patting myself on the back for not doing it.
Who is going to hang them when everybody is bought and paid for?
Just like every other interventions, we all know the true motives. I remember the day Gadaffi was killed…Hillary said – “We came, we saw, he died.” What an evil witch.
People need to wake up before all this starts over again in Saudi Arabia and Iran!
https://www.foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCEmail_DecWebClearedMeta/31-C1/DOC_0C05779612/C05779612.pdf
This is an absolutely massive story.
Jct: They can’t stop the truth from coming out about Yankee crimes directed by the Wicked Witch of the West herself.
Am I missing something about this statement here from the article above.
‘Most astounding is the lengthy section delineating the huge threat that Gaddafi’s gold and silver reserves, estimated at “143 tons of gold, and a similar amount in silver,” posed to the French franc (CFA) circulating as a prime African currency.’
The euro banknotes and coins were introduced in France on 1 January 2002, after a transitional period of three years when the euro was the official currency but only existed as ‘book money’.
So how is this statement from the article above correct or true?
Start Here –
Sorry, wouldn’t let me link.
Please search for ” CFA Franc”. It’s a currency backed by the French treasury theoretically exchangeable for Euros at a fixed rate of 100=1.
There is a peaceful transition going on through many different groups. If you want to become part of it, join. After you watch a video, follow your excitement. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCH9q10wsJSGcIgCaymVIgpg Also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhOwucw-GRg
You people on hear talk about throwing Hilary Obama and other politicians. If you don’t throw in the jail the people who give them their marching orders it will not matter. News flash the America people aren’t giving those marching orders. The bankers corporations and businesses people are giving the orders.
Mr Brad Hoff
I think the story of gold currency is real Joke, we can add it to Viagra mass
rape….etc. France, westerns,
Nato and others has found Libyans in condition of exasperation and indignation
from the chaos and the destroying of the army and the country’s administration
and the absurd silly ideas that he imposed on them. It’s not important what the
western think in, the very important factor is what the Libyans was need and
feel. Without this factor, nobody : westerns or others can do nothing.
Funny how the diplomatic cables, then, show what Mr. Hoff says they show, as opposed to supporting your view that the expressed concerns about the people of Libya was anything more than a transparent pretext.
What happened to Gaddafi’s gold?
An nothing will happen let alone be mentioned by the media,she will still run for president with plenty of support that puts in question her supporters morals an suggest they actually support these murders an wars.So it’s true big business an criminal politicians are to blame we must also share this blame on the people that consistently vote an support these same politicians after the truth in there actions repeatedly come out time an again.Why are the people in power an there big business masters not being prosecuted for God’s sake there murdering millions of people,man woman children without a care.There destroying countries an getting away with it, there psychotic mass murderers.Hitler was a saint conspired to these people.And were did that gold an silver go no mention of it..
If this story is credible she should definitely be impeached after her first or second term as President
https://www.HillaryClinton.com/join/
And after all this not only is Hillary allowed to run for office.. her security rating has never been stripped from her?????? What the h3!! does it take for a Dem to get convicted of ANYTHING ????
When the demons turn hades into an ice rink, there may be a good chance of that happening on a large scale.
Remember she’s the daughter of a Major Cog in the Chicago Crime Political Machine. (And sister in more current times.)
France was running some kind of racket with their former currency. Hell, France no longer uses the franc themselves!
But the u.n. had sanctioned saddam so that he was ONLY supposed to be able to sell enough oil to buy food and medicine for his people. (Which he sold for weapons.)
Frank Rich (whom bill clinton pardoned) was the main go between for saddam and sarkosy in their collaboration to get around the sanctions. You can bet SOMEONE was donating to the Clinton Foundation in that mess.
I did not like kadaffie . But I remember that he had given up his weapons of mass destruction and they said he was helping in the war against al kadia . I think he was afraid we were gonna come after him. Which of course we did. I look at the chaos created since he was killed. Same with the other Arab nations. The tyrants are bad and they rule with an iron hand. But the Muslim terror groups seem to be much worse. We got all these country’s government over thrown and we see today what is happening. Bad stuff.
Actually, the Libyan economy was great under Gaddafi. The people all got a cut from the country’s oil revenues, were paid the highest wages in the Middle East with almost non-existent unemployment, while enjoying a comfortable life style far above that of any other country in the region. Gaddafi may have been a strange bird, but he was good to his people.
khadaffie came to NYC to speak to the UN and clinton global initiative his last year of his life. bill and hill helped him get the permits to set up his royal tent in the middle of one of the parks. Then someone leaked the fact that he was to be “served” by a large number of female sex slaves and embarrassed them to the point the tent permit was pulled and he had to move to some prominant building.
I always figured her effort to get rid of (kill) him was for embarrassing them with the city.
I remember when he went to New York . Think he spoke at the UN. No doubt about it he was a bad man.
Observing the Middle East culture, was it possible to maintain stability in these countries in any other way but to rule with an iron hand? Qaddafi, it appeared, had learned by his past mistakes. Unfortunately for him and for Libya, he stabilized the country and became an economic threat to the Western powers, which they find less acceptable than terrorism.
These Muslim I think do indeed need an iron hand as the only thing they respect is brute force. The leaders of these country’s killed the enemy’s so they didn’t have to worry about them later. A shame but seems to be the way it is.
The Apostle Paul wrote about this situation in his time. (64-68AD.) It’s wickedness in high places, powerful evil spirit entities control nations, politics and religion! Eph. 6;12
In the book of Revelation 9;16 we see 4 evil Angelic beings, unrestrained to slay 2.3 billion in a future war in middle east. In modern times only do we have this destructive power. We need leaders who understand
the signs of the times? Not ones who are in league? This presidential election is critical for America’s future.
…and a whole bunch of western ‘evangelists’ are anxious for this development towards their perceived rapture…all”… waiting for the miracle to come’.
One way or other, IT WILL COME. It’s just that Jesus said it’s Not for US to Know the Times and Seasons, but God ONLY. He told us to “occupy til I come.” and that word means “work” so we’re NOT TO GO OFF AND JUST WAIT, BUT WORK TO HELP ALL THOSE AROUND US FIND HIM AND AN ETERNITY IN HEAVEN AND NOT HADES.
Gods aren’t real, neither are devils and dragons so quit believing in garbage. Every religion from day 1 has predicted the end of the world and guess what? They’re all wrong….life goes on and on and on and will continue to go on until we become extinct and other species will fill in the gap we’ve left behind. Sorry to break your fairytale bubble
Thank God we know who will win in the end, thank God I know where I am spending eternity! Praise The Lord Jesus Christ!! Amen!
The Biblical writers understood the nature of man. They extrapolated the history of their time into the future, predicting that we would do the same things – over and over and over. And we do.
The USA is like isis, these Europeans are lucky to be in the usa. They are thieves,
Hillary is a criminal traitor and Bill is a criminal rapist. What a couple!
“We came, we saw, he died, hahahahaha.” ~ Hilary Clinton laughing about and gloating over the death of Gaddafi on national TV.
The woman is an immoral pig and unfit for any kind of public office … period. Obama and Hilary’s foreign policy has turned Libya into an unstable wonderland for Jihadists, causing untold deaths and misery … This is yet another in your face example of why we should have never interfered in this region of the Middle East. Hilary doesn’t possess the wisdom to be Commander n Chief.
You are a master of understatement.
Yes, I was just thinking about that video, it’s a perfect little illustration of how sick the whole game is.
Iraq was the same thing – Saddam was planning an ‘oil bank’ payable in gold or Euros to circumvent the petro-dollar.
Its seems the regime who claims to do all in the name of good is the actual criminals throughout history.
Only recent history, once upon a time we honestly did.
So the $64 question… Where did the GOLD & SILVER GO? The Clinton foundation maybe?
IMF gold hoard was reported a few years ago 3rd largest of all countries behind USA and Germany. It is suspected that the USA doesn’t have what they report and refuse any audit, Germany can’t get it’s own gold back (because it too is gone?). So where did all that gold stolen from all those ‘regime change’ countries go? Hmmmmm
Most IMF/UN employees pay NO TAX but Leguard keeps crying about raising your taxes.
Wiki the UN, the IMF and World Bank are UN agencies of countless agencies, commissions, ‘peace keeping’ forces (really?), and organizations that your taxes are paying for.
The UN produces nothing and generates no revenues, the UN is a gigantic parasite Trojan horse globalist’s world regulatory tool destroying the sovereignty of countries and freedom of citizens.
People need to demand dissolution of the UN, keep the hell out of our country and restitution of it’s assets starting with the IMF gold hoard. and the UN’s hundreds of thousands of ‘world ‘ pensions.
IMF gold hoard was reported a few years ago 3rd largest of all countries behind USA and Germany. It is suspected that the USA doesn’t have what they report and refuse any audit, Germany can’t get it’s own gold back (because it too is gone?).
So where did all that gold stolen from all those ‘regime change’ countries go? Hmmmmm
Most IMF/UN employees pay NO TAX but Leguard keeps crying about raising your taxes.
Wiki the UN, the IMF and World Bank are UN agencies of countless agencies, commissions, ‘peace keeping’ forces (really?), and organizations that your taxes are paying for.
The UN produces nothing and generates no revenues, the UN is a gigantic parasite Trojan horse globalist’s world regulatory tool destroying the sovereignty of countries and freedom of citizens.
People need to demand dissolution of the UN, kick them the hell out of our country and restitution of it’s assets starting with the IMF gold hoard. and the UN’s hundreds of thousands of ‘world ‘ pensions.
Criminal to the degree of Nazism. They should all hang at the end of a rope for crimes against humanity!
God Help Us, if this woman is elected President and OBAMA is installed as Secretary General of the UN.
HE will be the ONLY true help for us, (Even as HE ALREADY IS!)
Right Bozo
So, once again, H. Clinton puts her stamp of approval on a process to eliminate Gaddafi, something she could spin and deny later to the unwashed US sheep, to help foreign interests opposed to the real interests of US citizens. But they do give her donations to her foundation, probably. Normally, assassinating Gaddafi would be cheered by most people in the US but we know she wasn’t bright enough nor brave enough to come up with this idea on her own. Her international handlers, though, do seem to have her dialed in. No wonder she doesn’t bother to try and cover her tracks well enough, the opposition is guiding her and she knows it.
The gods are dealing with this—by visiting upon Europe and the USA their divine punishment. This is the meaning of the Muslim Invasion and Conquest of Europe and the Wetback Reconquista and the Muslim Invasion of the USA—brought about by the Hubris and Ate of the very people that destroyed Libya. Lady Nemesis usually has the last word. In motre secular terms, ‘Blowback is a b—h.’
OK, Now, where does the Clinton foundation fit into all this?
Everywhere!
Stay tuned and watch this serial drama unfold episode by episode. The book isn’t finished. You’ll just have to wait for the next chapter to be published – which is being delayed by every effort of the creator. Will all the subplots be tied together in the end? Wait and see.
The sh*t just keeps getting deeper! I wonder what happened to that 143 tons of gold???????? Our State Dept contains nothing but criminals! And, the biggest one of all is running for President! HRC!
143 tons is not a lot, and won’t be enough to destabilize anything.
Continental European reserves will be more than 10.000 tonnes.
This is old news. Most of the countries we invade in the middle east is because of them not using the petro dollar to sell oil, not terrorism.
See “international security and infrastructural contractors”: there’s the fix unthinkable, done. Immediate prosecution should proceed, of course, with substantial evidence. But. But? Clip Clinton’s laughter at getting Gaddafi with W Bush joking about “wmd’s gotta be somewhere” for essence of U.S. foreign policy. What World Court? What UN? Excuse me, only Sen. Bernie Sanders even vaguely addresses the crisis.
She’s a traitor and criminal and should be behind bars.. she is sociopathic by clinical definition, cowardly and a nasty piece of work….the fact she is a front runner for Dems candidacy shows you how far America has fallen and the principles of the constitution shamefully lost….she climbs and manouuvers and plots in an America where the rule of law is non-existent, and applied with extreme prejudice between the scum elites and the others… she makes her way in a system where the breadth and depth of corruption has crossed the Rubicon….case in point – a financial system that’s too connected and to big to jail.
Put simply, the whole system is fcked and absolutely destined for a 2nd American Revolution.
That also explains how Goldman Sachs – who Ghaddafi used to invest 3.5 billion dollars in Gold – conveniently ‘lost’ his money right about the time Hillary started inventing the story of Ghaddafi killing his citizens.
Remember black op ‘Zero Footprint’ – as the label is self explanatory!
Plus Hillary and Obama violated the War Powers Act with the Libyan combat orders. NO approval from congress. Bush would have been impeached by democrats if he had done the same.
Hmm some of this article, especially the end is a stretch.
For example, you have no real evidence that a currency announced almost 20 years ago and refused by the AL (hence why Gaddafi never implemented it, because Libya could not hold up the currency on it’s own). All you provide is that they described it in a email. Yes, it was of concern back when Gaddafi pushed for it but that was a long time ago. The email quoted more like makes the case of supporting the Libyan armies with what gold is left.
There is no direct quote as to why France has an invested economic interest, in fact America seems completely unaware of it too, hence the wording “unseen”. If they believed that Gaddafi’s gold currency was a problem to them I am sure they would have made a threat assessment of it, but they didn’t.
The email you quote in the last section actually tries to give some credibility to what was proposed as rumours. As for the rape of Misrata, HRW has since been and their verdict was inconclusive, they couldn’t say one way or the other that it did not happen. They noted that women in Misrata had been raped but, to what extent, they did not know; nor could they attribute it with undeniable evidence. So that story might not be totally fake, maybe exaggerated by the rebel forces.
But you should know that the battlefield is so full of shit at times that you can never truly trust information from it. Most rebels work from hysteria as it is, even now.
Also the email quoted in the second to last section is a stretch and half as well to your conclusion and requires some inventive thinking.
Also I think you mist quoted the first quote email about special forces. I believe the English actually states that French and English special forces were only handing weapons and supplies.
So this entire article seems a stretch at times to a imaginative conclusion.
US State Department emails stating explicitly that Gaddafi’s proposed gold-backed currency was a motive for the Western intervention isn’t evidence that this was a motive for the Western intervention?
You must remember that email was an advisor’s belief as to the motivations for France’s intervention. Not only that but they seemed unclear about France’s true economic interest in the area and clearly labelled it as “unseen”.
What is also interesting is that even after this gold was found out “shortly” after, it wasn’t until the LNC said they would reorganise oil contracts to favour those who helped them that the West turned around and said “Hmm, maybe we can get a better deal with these guys, after all it isn’t some small time rebellion, this feels like the one”. Of course, to not make themselves look inconsistent they had to get involved in Syria…
time to send this woman to jail, please would the strong stand up adn do something? we know obama wont do a thing, he is afraid of the clinton dynasty ,and machinery, so maybe Trump? i hope she rottens in jail.
Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Don’t Want You to Know
By Global Research News
http://www.globalresearch.ca/libya-ten-things-about-gaddafi-they-dont-want-you-to-know/5414289
Goldman Sachs: Making Money by Stealing It
By Stephen Lendman
Global Research, March 17, 2012
sjlendman.blogspot.ca 17 March 2012
Money power in private hands and democracy can’t co-exist. Wall Street crooks transformed America into an unprecedented money making racket.
Goldman symbolizes master of the universe of financial manipulation (Reuters April 16, 2011) It’s been involved in nearly all financial scandals since the 19th century.
It makes money the old-fashioned way, through market manipulation, the scamming of investors, bribing political Washington, having its executives in top administration posts, and getting open-ended low or no interest rate bailouts when needed.
It’s business model and culture assure billions of bonus dollars for company officials, complicit traders, and others on the take.
Compared to Goldman, Bernie Madoff was small-time.
Former bank regulator expert on white-collar crime, public finance, economics, and related law, Bill Blackexplained Goldman shenanigans pertaining to earlier SEC charges this way:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/goldman-sachs-making-money-by-stealing-it/29823
Press Contact: Kelsey Davenport, Research Analyst; (202) 463-8270 x102
Updated: February 2014
On December 19, 2003, long-time Libyan President Moammar Gaddafi stunned much of the world by renouncing Tripoli’s weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs and welcoming international inspectors to verify that Tripoli would follow through on its commitment.
Following Gaddafi’s announcement, inspectors from the United States, United Kingdom, and international organizations worked to dismantle Libya’s chemical and nuclear weapons programs, as well as its longest-range ballistic missiles. Washington also took steps toward normalizing its bilateral relations with Tripoli, which had essentially been cut off in 1981.
Libya’s decision has since been characterized as a model for other states suspected of developing WMD in noncompliance with their international obligations to follow. Assistant Secretary of State for Arms Control Stephen Rademaker stated May 2, 2005 during the nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT) Review Conference that Libya’s choice “demonstrates that, in a world of strong nonproliferation norms, it is never too late to make the decision to become a fully compliant NPT state,” noting that Tripoli’s decision has been “amply rewarded.”
Tripoli’s disarmament was also a success story for the U.S. intelligence community, which uncovered and halted some of the assistance Libya was being provided by the nuclear smuggling network led by Pakistani nuclear official Abdul Qadeer Khan. At that time, the U.S. intelligence community was being harshly criticized for its failures regarding Iraq’s suspected WMD programs.
The factors that induced Libya to give up its weapons programs are debatable. Many Bush administration officials have emphasized the U.S.-led 2003 invasion of Iraq, as well as the October 2003 interdiction of a ship containing nuclear-related components destined for Libya, as key factors in Tripoli’s decision. But outside experts argue that years of sanctions and diplomatic efforts were more important.
they wanted him gone
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/LibyaChronology
Just another of many examples of wars being run, at the very top, by the private central banks. Look at every country that threatens our worthless dollar, they get invaded quickly.
At least she cares about women!
Supposidly this is the web cach of the actual email before it was pulled. I found this story here trying to verify it, the only other source I’ve found so far is this: http://anonhq.com/46716-2/
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://www.foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCEmail_DecWebClearedMeta/31-C1/DOC_0C05779612/C05779612.pdf
So France was worried about the gold based currency a 3rd world country leader was maybe thinking of introducing and started an air campaign and toppled its leader because of it? this is the real conspiracy theory, not the campaign itself, as the article claims. The reasons for the campaign at the time were plain and simple, Qaddafi’s offensive on the civilians, especially at Benghazi which he was bombing and moving his armed columns into when the air campaign began. This was shown on CNN. And what is the source for this supposed email from somebody to Hillary about the gold issue? There’s no reference given. Who wrote the email, that’s not even clear. And he talks about “Hillary’s death squads” but the only relevance to a death squad in what follows is that the rebels killed captured foreign mercenaries.
you can see that this email was written in a non-serious manner, by an unknown person, and those allegations are just his interpretation. https://web.archive.org/…/DOC_0C05779612/C05779612.pdf
The email links don’t work – anyone have them/ can point to them?
I’ve updated the piece with links to archived copies of the emails.
this is terrible.
It is true, we have known this since it happened. Only fools get fake news from the propaganda media.
American stupidity leads to more world chaos and death. What a surprise.
“page not found” on the foia links. wonder why. so much for freedom of information and transparency of government in “the greatest nation on earth”
First Saddam, then Ghaddafi and now they are pushing for Assad but thank God Russia stepped in.
link is broken again
Its the same strategy being employed in Syria and Ukraine, only that this time around, the Russians simply blocked it…..and apparently the west, cannot do anothing about it…..President Putin is simply too smart and sharp for the West’s politicians…. But i think President Trump will find a way of working with Russia, bringing about geo strategic balace.
Hillary clintons top secret emails and Fukushima
http://www.dispensaryexchange.com/read/17/111/Hillary-Clinton-Emails-and-Fukushima-Hot-Particles-in-Seattle
No wonder Saudis are puppets of US to save their own skin. But for Russia, Bashir would have met with same fate as Gaddafi.
Silly
After the panama papers, it makes me wonder what gadafi had on western leaders.
quel surprise. an internet article long on speculation with a tiny morsel of fact.
We’ve missed so many opportunities in this country to do the right thing. One more symptom of the elitist sickness is having this over inflated sense of entitlement that says its okay to wreck peoples lives for profit. Nevermind what kind it is; money, power, favor, etc.. I can’t help but think if Gore had been elected we might be world leaders in climate change right now instead of deservedly being hated for once again destabilizing the ME. Looks like we’re poised to coronate a U.S. queen who is going to continue to do more of the same. She rightly belongs in big house, not the White House.
America thrives in the indulgence of the rest of the world, they know it is now or never; on the other hand, it will take at least two more generations to fully understand how America operates and manipulates the world to their favor, by then ALL the atrocities will be a thing of the distant past and won’t be remembered. America’s new generations will feel fully entitled to the pillage done by their predecessors, claiming there is no evidence of any wrong doings as the government destroys any evidence to avoid the past being brought upon them, it is up to you American and non-American to tell your kids what is going on, one day they will be able to fully take care of this mess, and change the world.
USA,NATO, UK, Europe etc repeated the Afghanistan chapter with Iraq, Syria &
Libya?
http://bit.ly/qA1A9Z
Liberal, conservative, far left,far right. who cares they are all a bloody bunch of murderers. Hillary, Bushes, Obama, Bill yes and Reagan. The whole political system answer to big money. That’s who put them there and big money is insatiable can never be filled hence war. In ashamed to be an American. Alto of ppl will hide their conscience about us. I won’t we suck. As for The Donald he said in 2003 that everybody has a price so im thinking… He will sell us out too.
This really pisses me off to know that our own media can’t be trusted. You are our 5th estate and responsible for keeping the government honest. Major FAIL. What you buy, everything hook, line and sinker? I agree that if this is true, Hillary is one the docket. Ghadiffi (aka, that socialist) was well revered in his country, but since he wouldn’t conform to your puppet systems of leaders, therefore requiring him to die, and that the West used to control the Middle East and Africa (aka, Muslims). Only because of their natural resources. I agree that Hillary should hang for this BS. You take the poorest continent and use it for your own gain? I thought were done with that feudal shit.
Plus that worked out so well with our Iraqi neighbors; um, who did they give their oil contract to: China. We spent several trillion $ to acquire their oil; because of our dependence on foreign oil, we have created a national security nightmare; we are forced to keep up face for regimes we would not tolerate in other circumstances aka the Saudis. Obviously that didn’t turn out in our favor. Proving once again that you can’t gain anything from invading other people for your own benefit.
If that is the case, why haven’t we invaded Saudi Arabia for our oil: I’ll tell you why ~ the primary family is ruled by a bunch of religious assholes, who further a command of religious intolerance that we would never put up with; they also create terrorists with their religious concepts. If we didn’t need their oil and we can afford to piss them off, lest we be with out the one thing that keeps this economy running. Both GWB and his dad sucked up to the royal family there; how did you like those $4-5/gallon oil prices? Apparently you can’t control them, even if you suck talking to your own best friends (aka as the Saudis). What is going to happen if they cut us off? I’ll tell you ~ complete anarchy.
You are a fool if you still think our meddling in the middle east is to get their oil! Wake up! Get off MSM! The ultimate goal is global control. Fnck oil…they don’t need it.
Hillary Clinton is a horrible witch globalist criminal and she should be in jail. How long did it take for General Petraes to be prosecuted? Not long at all. And Hillary’s crimes go way way beyond anything he did. Gimme a break!
TRUMP 2016 ! ! ! !
Here’s what you people ranting and raving about Hillary need to know about Libya.NATO decided Khaddafi had to go when he demanded payment for his oil IN GOLD. He was also attempting to establish a Pan-African version of the Euro backed by gold. The IMF and the World bank don’t have that kind of money. Since the largest gold deposits in the world are in South Africa and North Korea,NATO had a decision to make.If every African and Middle eastern country demanded gold for their natural resources, the Western paper dollar money system would go bankrupt.Either Khaddafi had to go,or your current lifestyle.Which decision was the right one?
all true
The Western powers literally depend on Africa being broken and disadvantaged. So f****** cruel and evil, Hillary needs to be rotting behind bars
As the saying says: Scratch a lie, find a Jew.
Seems mainstream news will parrot anything people like Hillary and her minions say, whether it is true or not! I doubt that any of this will be on TV or in my local newspaper!
This has always been known as the motive. The emails only verify.
Let me guess the “Sub-Saharan black Africans” also happen to frequently be Christian?
Clearly the real reason for using a private email server was to ensure plausible deniability of illegal interventions in other countries. BTW what has become of that server and why has it not been confiscated yet?
How long before the masses wake up?
I think it’s happening as we type…
Crooked Hillary the traitor and still running for President? This country is F’d up, well at least the left wing criminal neocon part is…
This fundamental Youtube clip of a RT news aired back in 2011 convinced me back then. It all made sense at the time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuqZfaj34nc
Hillary alleged email confirming strengthens this further.
Saddam Hussein wanted to switch from dollar to oil trade in Euro. See what happened to him.
….the New World Order corruption destroys completely…and the NWO’s infiltration of the US Federal Government is alarming – no wonder Obama never filled the Inspector General Positions at myriad Departments and Agencies, and targeted good American “Whistle Blowers”….and instructed an Attorney General to weighs prosecutorial discretion with exceptional political bias…
…NWO’s Agents and Useful Idiots don’t realize the horror that will be unleashed as they foment a global crisis…
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You completely ignore the fact that Amnesty International and other human rights organizations documented all kinds of other atrocities against citizens by Gaddafi’s troops and that these findings were sent to the International Criminal Court long before NATO decided to go in. The email you source looks quite phony. No one talks like that in emails, particularly government officials. Oh, and whoops, Libyan factions still control all the oil. France has no hand in there. You are playing on people’s ignorance about what was going on for years before the war and how much Gaddafi was hated in Libya.
The email is authentic, and the claim that the Libya intervention was intended as a humanitarian effort to help civilians is false on its face. More on that here:
http://www.jeremyrhammond.com/2012/08/13/ron-pauls-crimes-against-the-state-religion/
http://www.jeremyrhammond.com/2012/08/17/the-ignorant-american-matt-johnson-on-ron-paul-and-u-s-foreign-policy/
Transparency and brazen disregard for the law…Nothing will ever happen to the elite
DNC Leak on how they use polls to fix elections: http://www.realtruenews.org/single-post/2016/08/30/BLOCKBUSTER-DNC-LEAK-How-They-Fake-Polls
Jews at it again destroying Africa and the Middle East for oil and gold.
I have read many comments supporting both side of the campaign. One must remember that many decisions made were done so under the guise of national security. When events come up that fit that objective, whoever is in power will do whatever it takes to protect the country. This is not new, The methods may differ but not the objective.
I don’t appreciate Trump because he is very arrogant and self assured, and this combination can be very dangerous for the world. He can bed all the women he wants as long as he does do pillow talk. Bedding woman will only weaken a small organ, but Loose lips can sink battle ships and nations.
Hillary Clinton is a student of Madelyne Albright.
I can tell you a factual story about Madelyne.
When she was a toddler her ambassadorial family fled into Serbia to escape fascism. A village family took them in, hid and sheltered them.
This family risked their lives and that of their kids and village for Madelyne Albright and her relatives.
Then her father made some deals with the Nazis, and they left for the US.
Fascism was not only the Nazis ideology. Many Europeans supported them. It’s why the elite in France, Poland, Austria, Italy, Croatia, Albania, Spain, Netherlands etc never put up a fight.
It’s easy to then say, look we were overrun.
No one, until the Serbian border, but no one, fought against them.
Now, when there is actual evidence of Madelyne in the form of Photos and an elderly man telling the media he remembers her in the village. She falsifies her own biography to hide the fact.
Those people saved her life.
She repayed them by demonizing, bombing them and stealing from them.
The Albright group now owns among other things, a telco company in Kosovo.
How? Conflict of interest?
She is part of the fascist remnant that got across the Atlantic. With their ideology.
There’s a youtube video of her in a bookstore clearly saying “disgusting serbs”, before walking of.
That’s a racist. And she’s Hillary’s teacher?
Good luck to you Americans.
Whats most frightening to the Hillary Clinton and some republicans is the fact that trump is not part of the Political dynasties. It Brahmins. He is much like the current Indian PM who was once on the outside accused of murdering 2000 Muslims. He was barred from entry into the US and his ascendancy meant that the Nehru dynasty and others like them would be crushed and relegated to the criminal classes and into oblivion.
Although not a great fan of the man (not for the same reasons as Hillary and the NY Times)the US needs to have someone who will clean up the mess.
The political correctness has to go. Why African Americans support Hillary is a mystery. She Obama and her husband are an inseparable political dialogue of incompetence. They did nothing for the African Americans or Latinos other than offer pious platitudes.
Prayers in schools was stopped by the democrats if the Christians have a complaint. The police shooting of unarmed blacks was not cured by Obama. She said nothing about it and avoided the discussion.
In the 1960′ and 1970’s America refused entry to anyone anywhere who had trade union connections, belonged to a Marxist or socialist movement and had expressed any opposition to US foreign policy at the time. All Trump is doing is a repeat with the Muslims who are not a race but a political religious order seeking the same objectives against the US as the communists.
As for the Mexicans we need to stop the mass migration of illegal labour and the flow of drugs of addiction into the US.
If Trump looses and Hillary wins, the US looses and China and its cheap labour wins altogether. It will inevitably lead to ccivil strife and no turning back.
Nobody cares! This kind of crime is hidden in the lies of our leaders, and over educated morons believe the lies! We are doomed! God save us all! The whore of Babylon will rule!
However, there does exist a unique force on the earth, which is growing stronger by the day and stands as a biggest challenge to these tyrants. It does not yield to their threats, conspiracies, plots and tricks. It stands unyielding against the tyranny and vows to uproot not only this evil, but all the evil persistent on the earth. It is not based on any country or race, but on an ideology, an ideology which reforms the individuals and transforms them to enjoin good and to stop evil on the earth. In other words, it reestablishes dharma by people themselves. Yes, this is what is known by Arabic term ‘Islam’.
Islam aims and endeavors to establish such a state on earth by implanting three basic tenets in human minds.
O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it -its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women. And fear Allah , through whom you ask one another, and the wombs. Indeed Allah is ever, over you, an Observer. (Quran 4:1)
1. Entire mankind has originated from the first pair of male and female and hence they all belong to a same family.
2. There is only one God for all of humanity.
3. We are being watched by Him and are answerable to Him for our deeds. Our deeds will be judged on the Day of Judgment and we will be rewarded either with Paradise or Hell based on our deeds.
Now you can understand yourself why Islam faces so much opposition.
= As Islam stresses upon equality of mankind and universal brotherhood, this movement is not be liked by those who have been exploiting weaker section of the community in the name of superiority of color, race, creed etc.
= As Islam says that man can approach and worship God directly, it displeases the intermediaries who have been exploiting people in the name of God by spreading superstitions in the society hitherto.
= As Islam commands us to do good and forbid evil, those who exploit the masses with selling of evil means are afraid of the growth of this faith.
Thus, this reformation movement spoils the sleep of defenders of Adharma all over the world. Hence they stand united to suppress the growth of Islam.
Sounds like a large pile of crap.
They got rid of Qaddafi. End of story. Oh. Don’t forget Lockerbie. You know. Terrorism. If Hillary had any effect on his death she deserves a medal. The US was not the major player not the decision maker at NATO for this overthrow of this despot that murdered thousands and was as corrupt as a dictator can be.
You still want to cheer him on and stick up for him. Idiots.
and this is exactly why she wants war with both Russia and Iran–this stands smack in the way of globalism…
I read this a few days ago and have since read a lot of other suggestions about Clinton’s behaviour and motivation. A question that was not posed in this article is, what happened to the Libyan gold that was to be used to float a new currency?
This is why i refuse to pay the illegal world banker federal reserve and the IRS a single penny. F*#kem. POS.
Maybe Trump’s suggestion that we leave NATO was not such a bad idea after all. The UN as well.
Sarkozy and Cameron were the first to arrive in Libya to claim victory following Ghaddaffi’s assassination.
Thank you for posting and analyzing this information. If increasing numbers of analysts do this kind of work, the potential of wikileaks will be increasingly realized.
Lol, France hasn’t used the franc for fifteen years.
Irrelevant. It is still used by numerous African countries.
Might want to get some actual links to actual evidence.
Just sloppy conjecture….
That Clinton is a war criminal is not inflammatory rhetoric. It is a demonstrable fact.
Uh, I hope you aren’t building the ICC case against her based on all that equivocating and speculating in your piece.
Clinton is a key architect of the US’s aggression against Libya. This is uncontroversial.
Hahahahaaaaaa!!! France is reaping the rewards of their past actions now.
Assad needs to watch his back.
Can someone post a list of the “no go zones” just in case I win an all expense paid vacation to France?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2017/02/25/president-trump-replace-the-dollar-with-gold-as-the-global-currency-to-make-america-great-again
Wasn t Gadaffi attempted to back his Oil with Euros, and cancel Dollars ?
You folks, having obviously swallowed the Khazarians’ Kool-Aid, are all focused on the puppet Hillary instead of the puppeteer that sent the email. You are all completely missing who the email is from, and his nationality and affiliation–Khazarian and Khazarian.
The email serves as tacit instructions and guidelines for what the puppet, and her cronies, are to expect and do.
Don’t pay attention to the puppets, pay attention to the puppeteers.
An American citizen, not US subject.
I’d seen multiple videos claiming Barac and Co had hidden motives, afterall its ‘Hillary’s war.’
Shameless, murderous, disgusting westerners.
This has been American foreign policy for over 75 years and it is ugly.
amazing how the stupid propaganda from the govt pales in comparison to the reality of the horrors by iseal on gaza,yet no one cares.
Hellary is TRULY EVIL!
Without natural affection and a sociopath, a bad combination.
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FED and ECB use military force to take out competitors. That is the world we live in today.
Well written – see this is the way Western propagandists realise their political gains – first they blacken their adversaries with dirty propaganda and then arrange for their killing.
I have come to realise that in a similar fashion through a common bipartisan effort, both Republicans and Democrats in the 1970’s US decided to abandon if not betray Shah’s Iran, a long time so called trusted ally ( who delivered oil) , ( in a similar way to Ghadaffi) by publically lauding Shah’s modernising / westernising efforts for Iran while at the same time stabbing him in the back with fabricated and exaggerated claims of human rights abuses by SAVAK and supporting the vile uneducated religious Khomeini to take over power in Iran.
It was payback time. The Shah’s downfall was that he dared to hike up the price of oil x 4 (1973/1974 OPEC crises) which the West was disgruntled about and also dared to imagine of Iran as a modern-economically and militarily powerful country (US and UK had no issues selling billions US $ arms to him) that was also becoming increasingly independent of US/UK.
US/UK/French governments, Big Oil and Big Banks, ALL never forgave him for having such ambitions for Iran, so they decided just like in Libya to undermine him by secretly funding the anti-Shah opposition, tarnishing with false propaganda Shah’s image as much as possible and propping up Khomeini and his religious zealots and retards to create required mayhem and take over, weaken and ruin Iran instead. Like Lebanon (1975), Iran was seen to be instrumental in spreading the contagion of an Arch of Destabilisation, that would require / allow US and UK to maintain a presence in Middle East so they can deal with artificially created crises of their own making. Diabolical indeed.
Problem is ordinary people in US, UK, Iran etc and in most countries in the world, don’t think analytically and have close to no understanding of history and how game of geopolitics actually works, that is why politicians across the board tend to get away with such plots / manipulation for the most part.
How about this for an apt quotation: “Violence is an inappropriate way of settling differences.” Hillary Clinton, when Secretary of State.
Your almost correct. The motive was for sure to pillage the natural resources in Lybia but the Clinton’s wanted the gold, they didnt care about the gold backed currency or what the consequences would be.
http://codeforeblog.com/a-benghazi-murder-rico/
I don’t know but it sounds possible and explains why she did not send help to Benghazi. She wanted to be sure that none of what she did survived to “burn” her and Obama. Especially for her providing arms to rebels in Syria. Stevens knew about that and he couldn’t survive.
Ir is so reminiscent of the rapes for the NATO bombing intervention of the Yugoslav republics of the earlier Clinton days. But Bill Clinton did ignore the first tower bombing as an Iraqi attack and the Oklahoma one too. Eventually they get you to conform to some kind of strategic attack. This one to prove commander-in-chief electoral credentials.
I have read a high percentage of the posts and not one discussed the destabilizing effect of the US hunting and killing the only dictator to surrender a nuclear weapons program. Killing Qaddafi fundamentally reduced our potential to negotiate a nuclear free zone in Korea. Killing Qaddafi sent the message Never Trust. It was in the free world’s fundamental interest to offer and provide safe sanctuary to Qaddafi. I pointed this out to a political scientist professor, retired, from Univ. of Tenn. who was in shock as she considered the implications. This someone who claimed to be informed.
What annoyed me most about this Libya event was that Clinton and Obama committed an act that puts the US on the same scale as Hitler. The US had a peace treaty with Libya and then attacked it and murdered its leader. Not since the Indian wars of the west has the US been so hypocritical. These two Democrats are portrayed as nice guy liberals yet they made Bush look like s gentlenan. They used the pretext that Gaddafi was killing civilians. What a joke. The US kills civilians all the time. Lincoln killed millions of southerners for trying to secede. The Confederates killed civilians as well. All nations kill their civilians. When Reagan fought with Gaddafi it was Gaddafi that started the fight and the US didnt have a peace treaty. Reagan didnt collaborate with France and the UK to steal a sovereign states gold. The US had a peace treaty and accepted cash compensation from Libya for past terrorist acts. The Obama Clinton team and the French and British lured Qaddafi into openly bragging about his soveriegn wealth then killed and robbed him. For his part. Gaddafi was overly cocky and delusional about his power. I believe he may have wanted to displace France and the UK in Africa, however, the high inflation of African nations may have caused this ploy to fail. The US, France, and UK havw never gone to war to protect so called Freedom. Its the biggest lie ever told. The US didnt destroy Hitler to save any so called Freedom. They did it to preserve the. London New York banking axis. If Hitler didnt threaten the London banks the US would have let him all the Jews he wanted. If Gaddafi didnt threaten the French UK position in Africa he would be alive today pretending to be a King of Kings. His terrorism back in the 80s apparantly did not offend the western powers as much as his African currency did. What is most disgusting was the so called media never questioning Obama-Clinton line yet they always question Bush or Trumps intentions. As bad as Bush was or Trump might be Clinton is the most vile leader to ever exist.
Why is “Hai Vuong” junking up the page?
I move that es comments be removed.
Youre asking the best question, however, you’re asking the wrong people. Why dont you ask ol’ bibi why he’s attacking a group of people? It seems to me that most people mentioned in this article are jewish.
So you’re saying we should have voted for Hillary??