The Balfour Declaration: The Origins of the Arab-Israeli Conflict. Jonathan Schneer Anchor Canada (Random House), Toronto, 2012.
This is the best that academic political history gets. More than simply the dates and the ‘facts’, Jonathan Schneer is able to give some personality to the characters involved, including the all too human factors of lying, deceit, and manipulation that many political histories miss. The title, given to the letter that carried the name, The Balfour Declaration covers all the actors in the scene from the European empires, the Ottoman empire, the European Zionists, and the Arab politicians of the Middle East. Lord Balfour himself certainly played a large part in the affairs of the world during that epoch, but the declaration itself owes its existence to these many other players and their machinations within the destructive chaos of World War I.
History
The cynicism, manipulation, and backstabbing is clear throughout the history. Before the Arabs joined in hostilities directed at the Turks, Egyptian High Commissioner Henry McMahon stated, “we have to … tempt the Arab people into the right path, detach them form the enemy and bring them on to our side. This on our part is at present largely a matter of words … we must use persuasive terms and abstain from academic haggling over conditions.” In a later comment in the work, Schneer says these “telegrams … inadvertently revealed the hopes, contradictions, tensions, guile, and prejudices now at work in shaping British and Allied wartime policy toward both the Jews and Arabs.”
The history rests on these manipulations and “nebulous” proposals. The British wanted the Arabs on their side; they also wanted control of Palestine and Mesopotamia (Basra, Baghdad, Mosul). The French also wanted a share of the same region (mostly Syria, a largely undefined region at the time), and Britain wanted to limit their influence. The Arabs of course wanted their own governance out from under the Ottoman Turkish rule; they were willing to allow a very limited British and French presence, at the same time knowing they needed their military assistance to get rid of the Turkish military. There were early signs “of the incomprehension with which some important Britons initially pursued two mutually exclusive policies,” from which as is generally the case, no one is satisfied.
The Jewish people were divided significantly between “assimilationists”, those thinking that assimilation and remaining as a Britain who is a Jew as compared to a Jew who happens to be in Britain, and the “nationalists” Zionists who worked for their own national state in Palestine. The British and the French overestimated the power of Jewish political influence and played this misguided feature (as did the Jews) to help in their victory over Germany, the Turks, and for Jewish support at home.
Familiar patterns
Throughout the history, the parallels with later and more contemporary ideas concerning Israel and Palestine are obvious—at least for those familiar with the more contemporary scene.
The first idea is demographics, always a concern for the Jewish population in Palestine/Israel. The many comments of later Zionists about needing a majority in the land (which contradicts any claims of a land without people) was understood by the very early Zionists. Already looking to the future, the Earl of Crewe (Asquith’s secretary in India) noted from the British side, “when in the course of time the Jewish colonists in Palestine grow strong enough to cope with the Arab population they may be allowed to take the management of the internal affairs of Palestine … into their own hands.” As Schneer commented, “Weizmann could have asked for little more.”
Another concept carried forward and still emphasized today is that of Jewish superiority over the Arabs in all aspects. Asher Ginzberg noted, “We are used to thinking of the Arabs as primitive men of the desert, as a donkey-like nature that neither sees nor understands what is going on around it,” and ends with a warning, “But that is a great error.” He further warned against the “‘repressive cruelty’ employed by Zionists in their dealings with Arabs,” in 1891, well before events of WW I and the current repression in Palestine.
Judaism
Judaism is seen as being divided into halve and then into quarters. As noted above, there were (and are) assimilationist and nationalist Jews, and within the latter, the home of the Zionists, there exists “cultural” Zionists, and “political” Zionists.
In Judaism in general, there is the struggle between existing as a diaspora, working with the “liberal tolerant creed of Judaism,” and against “the necessity and eternity of war.” Cultural Judaism (and cultural Zionism) look on Judaism as “an ethos and approach to life,” rather than a dispersed nation state. The political Zionists emphasize the need for military strength within a nation state; this latter viewpoint gained huge currency after World War II and has become one of the main fallback arguments as to the reason why the current state of Israel is acting the way it is.
The nationalist Zionists won the argument, not necessarily by force of logic or emotion, but through the political manipulations within Britain and France, remaining ignorant by design of the promises made between Britain and France and Britain and the Arabs concerning the Middle East and Palestine.
Palestine and the Balfour Declaration
Another factor that comes through by implication and repetition is that the concept of Palestine as a separate Arab state is not a new idea, not an idea that came into being after the nakba of 1948, not an invented idea. It is a concept, a stated reality within the negotiations taking place throughout this period of time.
One of the more disconcerting features of the Balfour Declaration is its apparent acceptance as legal entitlement for the state of Israel. There is no validity to it being considered an internationally legal document supporting Israel. In political reality, it was essentially a statement, a “declaration” that Britain supported and would assist with the establishment of a Jewish home in the region. Even then, it was according to Schneer almost overcome by other then current negotiations with the French and the Arabs in the region, negotiations kept hidden from the Zionists, including the lead protagonist in the story, Chaim Weizmann.
Aftermath
Schneer presents the many arguments concerning the wording and intent of the Declaration, essentially indicating that it was a political statement to gain favor with Jews and pre-empt any such statement of a Jewish homeland coming from the U.S. or Germany. Edwin Montagu argued at the time that “Palestine will become the world’s Ghetto,” perhaps more correct than he anticipated in regards to the Palestinians themselves.
The conclusion reached by Schneer, stated twice, “Because it was unpredictable and characterized by contradictions, deceptions, misinterpretations, and wishful thinking, the lead-up to the Balfour Declaration sowed dragon’s teeth…. It produced a murderous harvest, and we go on harvesting even today.”
His final summation is, “During World War I … Britain and her allies slew the Ottoman dragon in the Middle East. By their policies they sowed dragon’s teeth, Armed men rose up from the ground. They are rising still.”
More reading
This is an excellent historical work, but it is dealing with a complex time and a complex issue with many undercurrents and counter currents to the mainstream of history that is usually understood for the First World War, its causes and its consequences.
To gain a strong view of the events before during and after WW I, other reading material will give a broader more detailed outline and make The Balfour Declaration by Schneer easier to follow. To gain a good overview, Barbara Tuchman’s Guns of August (Random House, 1994) provides an excellent history of events before the war, and how the same features of deception and guile, of patriotic beliefs in empire, created a situation only needing a spark to set it off. For the period immediately after the war, when grand sounding rhetoric turned out to be the same old imperialist hype, Margaret MacMillan’s Paris 1919 (Random House 2003) is an excellent work. The events of the war itself are generally well covered by many historical works, although often without the insight that Tuchman or MacMillan provide into the underlying human errors and ignorance that breeds war. For more background on the current situation in Palestine/Israel, one of the best works covering the post Second World War period is Ilan Pappe’s The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, (Oneworld Publications, 2007).
These four works combined will give the reader an excellent understanding of the roots of the current situation in Palestine/Israel. They reveal much that is not written in the standard history texts, of the standard military autobiographies written for the grandeur of the winning more powerful side.
Oh – at first I thought this was going to be a serious review of a serious history book…then I grew suspicious as the review took on a decidedly slanted tint….then at the end when the writer mentioned Ilan Pappe (who in academic circles is totally discredited as an historian), and is a known Israel-hater (even though I think he still holds a tenured position at Haifa University – bloody hypocrite, if he does, no?) and has even admitted that he has no respect for recording history, but is trying to prove his take on things, I knew I had been taken for the usual ride down Slam the Zionists road. Then I clicked to Jim Miles website and all was confirmed. An author can always find quotes and reports and such to support his or her side of a conflict. I can bring you 100 books that tell another story or a different story or another part of the same story and a couple that even try to tell the whole story. Blah blah blah Jim Miles, blah blah blah.
The book is a winner of the National Jewish Book Award as awarded by the Jewish Book Council. Their website is:
http://www.jewishbookcouncil.org/about/
Perhaps you can articulate your argument towards them.
Your are very welcome for the intro. Jim. You really reveal your opinion in that review. Are you a hockey player?
Andream, you use the common Israeli expression “Discredited” to describing any authority who`s opinion is counter to Israeli propaganda and lies, such as those provided so readily by Gil Eyal from the Israeli Foreign Office. Ilan Pappe is highly regarded as a historian who provides an accurate and well balanced interpretation of events. Why does that frighten Israeli supporters so much?
This is an anti-semetic book. I am reading it now. The author is trying to
prove his premise that Jews are in the wrong. If you search on you tube you will find him speaking Jimmy Carter Library & Museum in Atlanta.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltEI1yc3YTI
Has anyone noticed the fallacy that the pro-Zionists repeatedly make? “Guilty by association”, and its a form of argumentum ad hominem.
Who the author quotes and who he associates with does not invalidate his argument. It simply is an attempt to distract from the merits or weaknesses of the argument.
Also, it is simply absurd to claim ‘antisemitism’. First, even if it is antisemitic (which it is not), how is that any worse than being anti-arab? Its not.
Moreover, Arabs -including Palestians- are a semetic people (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Semite).
Stop all of the irrelevant, whining nonsense and deal with the actual issue at hand.
Excellent reference book. I am surprised – not too much though – that the “antisemitic” libel is used again. To Andream and Haim: do address the facts, stop demonizing the messenger. If you have any concrete facts that could advance the discussion, I’d love to hear them. Otherwise, enough already!
Dear All,
Today is the eve of Passover. Millions of Jewish people will say at the end of their Passover meal: “Next Year in Jerusalem”! And next year thousands and thousands will move to Israel. This is proof that God exists. Say what you will but it does not change anything. The people of God will not be destroyed.
The Last Supper was the Passover meal and on Sunday millions of Christians will celebrate the resurrection of the most famous Jewish man whoever lived, In truth He lives even today. He will return to Jerusalem. It is written.
Schneer neglects to mention that Prime Minister David Lloyd George and Balfour were deeply religious Christian Zionists. They had grown up on the Bible; the Holy Land was their spiritual home. Modern Zionism, they believed, would fulfill a divine promise and resettle the Jews in the land of their ancient fathers.
If you want evidence it is right in front of you…
Haim
God exists becasue thousands of people are going to Jerusalem? That is pretty slim proof for an almighty god.
Actually Jim, millions and millions have returned to Israel. And it will continue.
You can read about it in the bible in this passage. Ezekiel 36: 24-36.
Or if you prefer to hear it from the Koran read Surah 17:101-104 “…And We said thereafter to the Children of Israel, “Dwell securely in the land (of promise)”:But when the second of the warnings came to pass,
We gather you together in a mingled crowd….”
It is written….
…okay millions, but that still does not prove god exists.
Jim, sooner or later you will meet Him face to face.
Me? No Way! By your standards and Chistian standards I’m going to hell. But really when I die I am just another pile of chemicals.
Jim,
God is Living, Infinite, Truth. Which part of Living, Infinite, Truth does not exist.
No Haim Muslims learned about god from their prophet while the Jews disbelieved and said that “Ezra is the son of God” and made a calf to worship when Moses peace be upon him went atop of Mount Sinai.Murdered the messengers sent by god,Sold fat by melting it and caused corruption in the world by taking interest.The muslims you hate so much protected you (the Jews)as long as the a Caliphate existed.They opened thier arms to welcome you ,so that you might have a place to shelter only to be stabbed in the back.I dont like to say it because I dont like to generalize anyone but the fact remain “Jews are deceivers”
Jewish deception http://youtu.be/ZbsY40peFhs
Jim ,our existence and the creation of this magnificent universe is proof enough that god exists.
Certainly not proof in a scientific sense. Yes the universe is magnificent and I do exist, at least in my own mind, and through others perceptions, but for me that does not constitute proof of God.
A long time ago Jim the Russian Tzar asked his advisor how is it we know God
exists? The man answered? “The Jewish people your highness”
And the Muslims learned of God from the Jews Al.
You mean to say Jim that you can only convience your self of the existence only if you were able quantify and measure that his existence.Science is a study of matter’s forms,properties,behaviour,etc.Science needs something that can be kept in a bottle/container/apparatus,weighed,phographed ,x-rayed and so on.Your asking for proof is like asking me to prove that exists and when I am finally done with the experiment to prove that air exists because the match stick needs oxygen to burn ,you go a step further as say so what!thats not proof.I should be able to feel air,touch it ,see it .Do you think thats possible.I am a medical doctor and everytime I read about the human body I think of the mighty creator who created it in such a perfect form where every aspect works in harmony with the other.Do you think this is a coincidence.The universe and its size,doesn’t that amaze you,do you still say that something so huge (milky way is just a fraction of the Universe)and has the ultimate perfection could just be made out of coincidence.The old argument of atheist that life originated in chance combinations of necessary elements when the fact is that a chance assembly of a single protein is 1 in 10×160 and the time required for this chance occurence is 10×243 years which is longer than the period of existence if this universe.
You can think further and observe your surroundings and finds the proof of gods existence.It would be good if you asked a person who held a similar belief as your but later Allah guided him to Islam,he would be in a better position to explain how he came to be a believer.
As your saying “of going to hell”(if it existed) then its never to late to think again .Allah is the Most merciful and his last prophet was sent as a mercy to whole mankind.Please read the following
On the authority of Anas, who said: I heard the messenger of Allah say:
Allah the Almighty has said: “O son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me and ask of Me, I shall forgive you for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O son of Adam, were your sins to reach the clouds of the sky and were you then to ask forgiveness of Me, I would forgive you. O son of Adam, were you to come to Me with sins nearly as great as the earth and were you then to face Me, ascribing no partner to Me, I would bring you forgiveness nearly as great as it.”Hadith Qudsi no.34
Muslim
Abu Sa’id al-Khudri reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: There was a person before you who had killed ninety-nine persons and then made an inquiry about the learned persons of the world (who could show him the way to salvation). He was directed to a monk. He came to him and told him that he had killed ninety-nine persons and asked him whether there was any scope for his repentance to be accepted. He said: No. He killed him also and thus completed one hundred. He then asked about the learned persons of the earth and he was directed to a scholar, and he told him that he had killed one hundred persons and asked him whether there was any scope for his repentance to be accepted. He said: Yes; what stands between you and the repentance? You better go to such and such land; there are people devoted to prayer and worship and you also worship along with them and do not come to the land of yours since it was an evil land (for you). So he went away and he had hardly covered half the distance when death came to him and there was a dispute between the angels of mercy and the angels of punishment. The angels of mercy said: This man has come as a penitant and remorseful to Allah and the angels of punishment said: He has done no good at all. Then there came another angel in the form of a human being in order to decide between them. He said: You measure the land to which he has drawn near. They measured it and found him nearer to the land where he intended to go (the land of piety), and so the angels of mercy took possession of it. Qatada said that Hasan told him that it was said to them that as death approached him, he crawled upon his chest (and managed) to slip in the land of mercy. (Book #037, Hadith #6662)
Allaah says:
”Whosoever desires honour, power and glory then to Allaah belong all honour, power and glory [and one can get honour, power and glory only by worshipping Allaah(Alone)]. To Him ascend (all) the goodly words i.e. and the righteous deeds exalt it (the goodly words i.e. the goodly words are not accepted by Allaah unless and until they are followed by by good deeds), but those who plot evils, -theirs will be a severe torment. And the plotting of such will perish.” (Faatir 35:10).
He also says: “And your Lord said: ‘Invoke Me, [i.e. believe in My Oneness (Islamic Monotheism)] (and ask Me for anything) I will respond to your (invocation).Verily! Those who scorn My worship [i.e. do not invoke Me, and do not believe in My Oneness, (Islamic Monotheism)] they will surely enter Hell in humiliation.” (Ghaafir 40:60).
”And O my people! Ask forgiveness of your Lord and then repent to Him, He will send you (from the sky) abundant rain, and add strenght to your strength, so do not turn away as Mujrimun (criminals, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah).” (Hood 11:52)
Allaah has also promised the best reward and good abode for the repentant when He says
: “(The believers whose Allaah has purchased are) those who repent to Allaah (from polytheism and hypocrisy, etc.), who worship Him, who praise Him, who fast (or go out in Allaah’s cause), who prostrate themselves (in prayer), who enjoin (people) for Al-Ma‘ruf (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all what Islam has ordained) and forbid (people) from Al-Munkar (i.e. disbelief, polytheism of all kinds and all that Islam has forbidden), and who observe the limits set by Allah (do all that Allah has ordained and abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which Allah has forbidden). and give glad tidings to the believers.” (At-Tawbah 9:112)
“Seek the forgiveness of your Lord, and turn to Him in repentance, tahat He may grant you good enjoyment, for a term appointed, and bestow His abounding Grace to every owner of grace (i.e. the one who helps and serves needy and deserving, physically and with good words). But if you turn away, then I fear for you the torment of a Great Day (i.e. the Day of Resurrection).” (Hood 11:3)
“ But as for him who repented (from polytheism and sins, etc.), believed (in the Oneness of Allah and His Messenger Muhammad), and did righteous deeds (in the life or this world), then he will be among those who are successful.” (Qasas 28:67)
THIS JIM IS THE MESSAGE OF THE QURAN.YOU ARE AN INTELLECTUAL BEING WITH THE POWER TO REASON.USE THE GIFT GIVEN BY GOD AND SEEK THE TRUTH TO SUBMIT TO IT.
A few more thoughts. Israel is the only country in the Middle East which is both
prospering and democratic. The Arab countries are in revolution and turmoil
starving and killing their own citizens by the thousands. It has nothing to do with the Palestinians. How many people died in Syria today? You don’t know and you don’t care. Be honest. The corrupt governments are falling and Shariah law is being implemented. But that will only make things worse like in Gaza. In iraq now that the allies have moved out one can now see clearly Shiites and Sunnis blowing each other up. Muslims have killed more Muslims than Nato did. Nato has left and now there will be even more killing.
Hi Haim, Iran is prospering and democratic! Probably because the USA has not done Israels bidding there as in Iraq, where those standing for elections had to be approved by US occupational forces, who still remain. The situation in Iraq is because those who were disenfranchised by US instructions have no options but to fight. And how prosperous would Israel be if not for $billions of US aid and military help, it`s an unreal situation and cannot last, scares the pants off me.
Hi Mike,
After the Iranian Revolution Iraq (Sadaam was a Sunni) fought for 10 years with Iran (Shiites). You know, the Iran Iraq war. These two groups are the Hatfields and Mccoys of the Middle East. They will be feuding until the end of time. The been fighting since the 7th century. That’s what Syria is all about. Israel has nothing to do with that fight. Israel is prosperous because they invent things and work hard. Read the book “Start up Nation” you will enjoy that and it will take you mind off your worries.
This article claims to explain the origins of the Arab/Israel conflict.
But really things got started with Isaac and Ishmael. Got a bible? Read
Genesis 16:11-12 Ishmael was Abraham’s son out of wedlock who is the ancestor of most Arabs. Isaac was his legitimate and promised son and the ancestor of the Jewish people. His son Jacob was named Israel by God.
Rest easy… you name Michael means “Who is like God” Stand on that.
Michael is also the name of the Archangel of Israel. He is on the job right now.
Communism fell apart and Mohammedanism … is next. It can’t feed its people and it will self destruct.
“Start up nation.”
My review, thanks for the intro, can be read here:
http://atlanticfreepress.com/reviews/13581-start-up-nation-the-story-of-israels-economic-miracle-book-review-by-jim-miles.html
as well as on my own website (and others).
Hi Haim, Don`t you just love the internet! people thousands of miles apart can actually exchange opinions, magic when you think about it. In the beginning (to coin a phrase) there were Arabs, the Hebrew tribe were Arabs. Moses, Abraham, David Solomon were Arabs with a belief in one God. Jesus was an Arab with a slightly different slant on the same one God. Some of the Hebrew faith converted to the new slant Jesus the Messiah? if Yes become Christian, if No Stay Jewish (I would love to know how/when Hebrew became Jewish). Then came Mohammed (Yet another Arab!) who said Abraham, Prophet of God. Jesus Prophet of God, but Son of God? I don`t think so. Most Arabs accepted Mohammed`s “Prophet” approach and converted To Islam (Ottoman 1850 Palestine census, 80% Moslem, 15% Christian, 5% Jews). The three Semite monotheist religions are an Arab thing, and each have a wide range of strongly held opinions. Israel however was created by and for Non Arabs, and has really put the cat amongst the pigeons! (or should that be Arabs?)
Not only is this fun great Mike but very educational too. I never knew that in the beginning there were Arabs. Wow that means that everyone is an Arab. Chinese Arabs, Canadian Arabs, Dutch Arabs, English Arabs, French Arabs, British Arabs.
And you know what Mike? That means I must be an Arab too. Boy I have always wanted to ride a camel. Since I was I was a kid. I loved the movie Lawrence of Arabia especially the part when they took Damascus and modernized it in 2 days with high tech Arab technology. And man, Arabs have so many nobel prizes, they have published so many books they have started so many universities and made so many break throughs in medicine and computer science. And you MIke must of be an Arab too. I just love Arab logic.
Dear Mike,
You are right but then again not in the complete sense.Jesus peace be upon him like the others was also a messengers of Allah and did not have any other”slant” towards god.It was people after him who made it that way.He will return to earth and when he is done with the Anti-Christ he will acccept nothing less than Islam.The one who submit to the will of Allah is a Muslim and so were all the messenger from Noah to Muhammed (Peace be upon them.The Muslism of today submit to the will of Allah and follow the law of Muhammaed peace be upon him.The 3 relegions is not an Arab thing it is for all mankind to follow for their own good in this worl and hereafter.The scholars say there were around 125,000(approx) messengers sent by Allah to warn the people of this world but Quran and the bible only mention a few of them.Read,ask questions and think not to debate and to prove yourself but to know the truth.
You should konw Hiam that Saddam Hussain was a CIA man and the CIA did also supply arm during the IranIraq war to him.It was as usual to maintian the USA grip on OIL.All these wars and killing of dictators and installing puppet regimes is for one reason only OIL.
Mike, Iran is not an Arab country they are Persians. Whoops I forgot you told me that everyone is an Arab. Sorry.
….and Christians have killed mor Christians than anyone else – so what’s the point?
…as for us all being Arabs, perhaps there is truth to that. Geneticists indicate that modern humans evolved somewhere around 150,000 to 200,000 years ago and migrated out of Africa overcoming all other homo species. If one goes back from today, generation by generation, we all end up being related to each other – as genetics indicates we are. We are literally all cousins, and as my ancestors had to pass through ‘Arabian’ lands at one time or another then perhaps we could all be considered Arabs…or Africans…essentially we are all the same except for superficial racial differences.
The Arab League defines an Arab as a person whose language is Arabic, who lives in an Arabic-speaking country, and who is in sympathy with the aspirations of the Arabic-speaking peoples.
The Arab peoples have been fighting with each other and their neighbors since they began and will do so until the end of days.
And they don’t care that you support them. Go there and find out for yourself.
“The Arab peoples have been fighting with each other and their neighbors since they began and will do so until the end of days.”
And don’t forget the Christians who have been fighting with each other for a long time.
The Arab LEague is a rather useless group of aging monarch’s who are only worried about their own survival. Who they define as what has little relevance to the world at large.
It is what it is Jim. Yawn… I am out of here.
There is something fishy about this review. All the other book reviews of Schneer’s book were done back in 2010. Some political motive perhaps.
Dear All,
Thanks for this great forum. I have to sign out now and get back to work.
I respect you all and your right to your opinions even if you don’t agree with me on everything. And remember of you want to get some first hand information
please go to Gaza.
Peace to all of you, May the love of God fill your hearts.
Haim
Hey Jim,
Read this: A Microbe Hunter at 90
http://www.jpost.com/Health/Article.aspx?id=265228
Hey Haim,
This is for you “Dear Israel, This Is Why I Left”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/06/dear-israel-this-is-why-i-left.html
Atleast this lady who is one of your own tells the truth.You have quoted from the Quran for Jim with the interpretation which was ‘fed’ into your minds.If you are really of those who seek the truth rather than to believe what is told to them then read the Quran properly without any malice and it will make you understand the truth.If you can believe what you have quoted to be true and worth of quoting then why don’t you believe the whole scripture to be true.This is the hypocrisy that humans follow ,they say and prove things to be right when it serves their means.All the 3 monotheistic stem from one common root of Abraham(peace be upon him).The Jews or rather the Jews scholars were not ready to accept Jesus(peace be upon him) as the messenger because that would not have served their purpose and was a threat to their position.The Jews do not believe in Mohammed(peace be upon him) inspite of believing in the prophecy of the last messenger because he was not of the Bani Israel,there are hadith to this effect in Sahih Bukhari.The Jews then,like the Jews now, believed in their superiority that made them blind to the truth.When will you realise that the very foundation of the state of Israel rests on the blood of the innocents.I have seen the videos on youtube where Jews shout “death chants” to the Arabs and enjoy the killings being made in the name of protection.Intifida are recent events of the past 2 decades what about before that?How did the Palestinian respond to the atrocities committed against them ?Probable with stones and brick that could hurt no one.What you are experiencing now is what you have sown.Allah has given you the gift and the ability to read and differentiate between the right and wrong don’t blind it with you hatered.There is truth in Jim’s and Shamarya’s article which you must face.The truth of the Messaiah has also been given to you wrongly,it is the Jews who will be annhilated because of their corruptness and not the other way around.Mohammed peace be upon him is the last messenger and that is the truth and it will always remain the truth.
Remove the hatered and open your eyes to the truth.
Al,
Thank you for taking the time to read all the posts and writing such a detailed and sincere answer. I do not hold any hatred in my heart. I am glad you know that Jesus will come again and He will speak the Truth and serve the will of the most high. He is in fact even now appearing supernaturally to tens of thousands of Muslims and they are giving their hearts to him. It is happening in Iran especially. The wars and revolutions in Mahgreb and the Middle East is the end of the remnant of the Empire of Islam. The Kingdom of God will arise next. No one has to do anything except watch and pray for the safety of the innocents. Tribe will rise up against tribe and sect against sect. There can never be unity or victory. Only War. The people are flocking out of their countries to find peace in the West. 6 million Muslims fed to France. How many to Sweden for refuge. How many to Norway? How many To Canada and the USA? They will find peace and freedom and prosperity. Their children will not speak Arabic either.
My this peace come to you also.I am praying the Jesus will appear to you.
As the Passover week comes to an end we recall when God told Moses to bring the children of Israel out of Arab Egypt and to the Promised Land of Canaan. God dwelled in their tents and took care of them. God sent the 10 plagues on Egypt and tormented Pharaoh’s magicians to show the world that He is the one true God. He revealed His name Jehovah to His people who were the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. They crossed the Jordan River into the West Bank? No, to the promised land.(Samaria). In Egypt they were greatly outnumbered by Pharaoh’s army but The Lord them the same way he protected His people during the 1967 War and all the wars after that.
There is lots of archeological evidence that the events in the bible happened. And let’s remember that the Dead Sea scrolls are more living proof that the bible has not changed at all for thousands of years. The dead sea scrolls were written seven centuries before the Koran was written. And they are word for word and letter for letter the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
The Word of God. They were found in the West Bank? No, in Judea.
Hi Haim.You are wrong there in a way.Indeed Isa peace be upon him will come and kill the Anti christ Dajjal who will be followed by 70,000 Jews and then Gog and Magog will be released and after this event has passed then will rise the rule of Allah on earth.Indeed Isa (as) will rule the earth (I think this is what christians refer to as Kingdom of God ,because it will be run under the rule of Allah /SHARIAH)until Allah wills but he(Isa/Jesus) too will follow the shariah of Muhammed peace be upon him.Muhammed (saw) is the last prophet and messenger and thus even Isa(as) will follow the laws brought by Muhammed (saw).
Huthayfah (RA) has said that the Prophet (SAW) said: “The Prophecy will remain amongst you as long as Allah wills, then when Allah will he will take it away. Then it will be Khilafah Rashidah for as long as Allah wishes. Then when he wishes he will take it away. Then there will be hereditary leadership for as long as Allah wills. Then when Allah wills he will take it away. And then there will be tyrannical rule for as long as Allah wills. Then when he wills he will take it away. Then there will be a Khilafah on the method of the Prophet. And then the Prophet (SAW) remained silent.” [Musnad Imam Ahmed 4/273].
The prophet Muhammed’s Peace and blessings upon him relationship to I`sa blessings upon him
Imam Bukhari(d.256/834)and Imam Muslim(d.261/839)have narrated that the prophet said,
“Both in this world and in the hereafter, I am the nearest of all the people to Jesus, the son of Maryam. The prophets are paternal brothers, their mothers are different but their religion is one.”
Abu Hurayrah t reported Allah’s messenger as saying,
“I am akin to the son of Mary among the whole of mankind and the prophets are of different mothers, but of one religion, and no prophet was raised between me and him.”
These Hadith informs us that all the prophets of God are sent to perform one sacred mission, and therefore, they all form one fraternity and brotherhood in faith. The difference, if any, is not in the fundamentals of faith, but in the offshoots which in religious terminology is called Shari`ah.
Hazrat Anas t has stated that the prophet Muhammad Peace and blessings upon him has said:
“Whosoever amongst you is able to meet Jesus son of Mary, should convey my salutations to him without fail.”
Abu Hurayrah t reports that the holy prophet e said,
“All the prophets of Allah are like sons of the same father whose mothers are different. I am nearest unto Jesus Christ. There is no prophet between me and him. Remember, he will certainly descend and you should recognize him as soon as you see him for he will be of a medium stature, his color will be red and white. The hair of his head will be straight and it will appear as if water is about to flow therefrom although there will be no moisture in it.”
Jesus was no more than a servant, We granted Our favour to him, and We made an example to the children of Israel. If it were Our will, We would have made angels amongst you, succeeding each other on the earth. Jesus shall be a sign for the coming of the hour of judgement : Therefore have no doubt about the Hour, but follow Me, this is a straight way.” 43/61QURAN
The Hadiths of the prophet Muhammad give the image of Jesus being a just ruler also. The Hadith is as follows:
Abu Hurayrah reports that the holy prophet Muhammad said,
“All the prophets of Allah are like sons of the same father whose mothers are different. I am nearest unto Jesus Christ. There is no prophet between me and him. Remember, he will certainly descend and you should recognise him as soon as you see him, for he will be of a medium stature, his colour will be red and white. The hair of his head will be straight and it will appear as if water is about to flow therefrom, although there will be no moisture in it. He will be clad in two grey sheets of cloth. Having descended (from the heavens) he will demolish the crucifix, slay the pig, abolish the jizya and the other religions will vanish giving place to Islam alone. Allah will destroy false messiahs during his reign and peace and comfort will prevail upon earth so that camels will graze with lions, tigers with oxen and wolves with goats. Children will play with snakes without causing the slightest injury to each. He (Jesus) will continue under the conditions so long as Allah wills and ultimately he will die, when Muslims will offer the funeral prayers and bury him.”
Imam Muslim (d.261/839) has narrated from Abu Hurayrah , that he heard Allah’s Messenger saying,
“The Last Hour would not come until the Romans would land at al-A’maq or in Dabiq. An army consisting of the best (soldiers) of the people of the earth at that time will come from Madina (to counterattack them). When they will arrange themselves in ranks, the Romans would say, “Do not stand between us and those (Muslims) who took prisoners from amongst us. Let us fight with them;” and the Muslims would say, “Nay, by Allah, we would never get aside from you and from our brethren that you may fight them.” They will then fight and a third (part) of the army would run away, whom Allah will never forgive. A third (part of the army), which would be constituted of excellent martyrs in Allah’s eye, would be killed and the third who would never be put to trial would win and they would be conquerors of Constantinople. And as they would be busy in distributing the spoils of war (amongst themselves) after hanging their swords by the olive trees, the Satan would cry, “The Dajjal has taken your place among your family.” They would then come out, but it would be to no avail. And when they would come to Syria, he would come out while they would be still preparing themselves for battle drawing up the ranks. Certainly, the time of prayer shall come and then Jesus, son of Maryam (Mary) would descend and would lead them to prayer. When the enemy of Allah would see him, He would (dI`sappear) just as the salt dissolves itself in water and if he (Jesus) were not to confront them at all, even then it would dissolve completely, but Allah would kill them by His hand and He would show them their blood on his lance (the lance of Jesus Christ).”
Imam Muslim (d.261/839) has narrated from Nawas bin. Sam’an, who has reported a long Hadith from the Prophet regarding the time of Dajjal’s arrival and his affairs, then the Prophet said,
“It would be at this very time that Allah would send Christ, son of Maryam (Mary), and he will descend at the white minaret in the eastern side of Damascus wearing two garments lightly dyed with saffron and placing his hands on the wings of two Angels. When he would lower his head, there would fall beads of perspiration from his head, and when he would raise it up, beads like pearls would scatter from it. Every non-believer who would smell the odour of his self would die and his breath would reach as far as he would be able to see. He would then search for him (Dajjal) until he would catch hold of him at the gate of Ludd and would kill him. Then a people whom Allah had protected would come to Jesus, sonof Maryam (Mary), and he would wipe their faces and would inform them of their ranks in Paradise and it would be under such conditions that Allah would reveal to Jesus these words: “I have brought forth from amongst My servants such people against whom none would be able to fight; you take these people safely to Tur.” Then Allah would send Gog and Magog and they would swarm down every slope. The first of them would pass the lake of Tiberias and drink out of it. And when the last of them would pass, he would say, “There was once water there.” Jesus and his companions would then be besieged here (at Tur), and they would be so much hard pressed that the head of the ox would be dearer to them than one hundred dinars and Allah’s Apostle, Jesus, and his companions would supplicate to Allah, Who would send to them (Gog and Magog) insects (which would attack their necks) and in the morning they would perish like one single person. Allah’s Apostle, Jesus, and his companions would then come down to the earth and they would not find in the earth as much space as a single span which would not be filled with their (Gog and Magog’s) putrefaction and stench. Allah’s Apostle, Jesus, and his companions would then again beseech Allah, Who would send birds whose necks would be like those of bactrin camels and they would carry them and throw them where God would will. Then Allah would send rain which no house of clay or (the tent of) camels’ hairs would keep out and it would wash away the earth until it could appear to be a mirror. Then the earth would be told to bring forth its fruit and restore its blessing, and as a result thereof, there would grow (such a big) pomegranate that a group of people would be able to eat that, and seek shelter under its skin and milky cow would give so much milk that the whole party would be able to drink it. And the milky camel would give such (a large quantity of) milk that the whole tribe would be able to drink out of that and the milky sheep would give so much milk that the whole family would be able to drink out of that and at that time Allah would send a pleasant wind which would soothe (people) even under their armpits, and would take the life of every Muslim and only the wicked would survive who would commit adultery like asses and the Last Hour would come to them.”
AS to the validity of the present bible and torah being in the original form this has been proved to be otherwise time and again by international scholars Ahmed dedat and Zakir naik.You can watch their videos on youtube.
Muhammed (saw) is the last prophet.
It was narrated that Anas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I and the Hour have been sent like these two.” He said, And he held up his index and middle fingers together.
Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6139; Muslim, 2951.
With regard to the strength of Israel (the Jewish state), this is something that has happened to them by the will and decree of Allaah.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Indignity is put over them wherever they may be, except when under a covenant (of protection) from Allaah, and from men”
[Aal ‘Imraan 3:112]
Allaah has given them power and respite, but that is only so that when He does seize them, He will seize them severely.
It was narrated that Abu Moosa (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: Allaah gives respite to the wrongdoer until, when He seizes him, He does not let him go.” Then he recited (interpretation of the meaning):
“Such is the Seizure of your Lord when He seizes the (population of) towns while they are doing wrong. Verily, His Seizure is painful (and) severe”
[Hood 11:102]
Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4409; Muslim, 2583.
SO HAIM FROM THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK ,SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH,ITS OUT THERE AND YOU SHOULD JUST KNOW WHERE TO LOOK.
“Those to whom We gave the Scripture [i.e. the (Torah) and the (Gospel)] before it (i.e. the Quran), are believers in it (i.e., their scholars).
And when it is recited to them, they say: "We believe in it. Indeed it is the truth from our Lord. Indeed even before it we were Muslims (those who submit themselves to Allah (God)).
They will be given their reward twice over due to their patience, and because they repel evil with good and spend (in charity) out of what We have provided for them.
And when they hear Al-Laghw (dirty, false, evil vain talk), they withdraw from it and say: "To us our deeds, and to you your deeds. Peace be upon you. We seek not (the way of) the ignorant." [/color] [Al Qasas: 52-55]
Allah informs us of the scholars of the people of the scripture, they believe in the Quran as Allah the Most High Said:
“Those to whom We gave the Book [the Tawrat (Torah)] recite it (i.e. obey its orders and follow its teachings) as it should be recited (i.e. followed), they are the ones who believe in it.” [Al Baqarah: 121]
“And there are, certainly, among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), those who believe in Allah and in what has been revealed to you, and in what has been revealed to them, humbling themselves before Allah.” [Aal Imraan: 199]
“Say (O Muhammad): "Believe in it (the Quran) or do not believe (in it). Verily, those who were given knowledge before it (the Jews and the Christians), when it is recited to them they fall down on their faces in humble prostration."
And they say: "Glorified is our Lord! Truly, the Promise of our Lord must be fulfilled." [Israa: 107-108]
“…and you will find the nearest in love to the believers (Muslims) are those who say: "We are Christians." That is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not arrogant.
And when they hear what has been sent down to the Messenger (Muhammad), you see their eyes overflowing with tears because of the truth that they have recognized. They say: "Our Lord! We believe; so record us amongst the witnesses.” [Al Maidah: 82-83]
THE BELIEVERS IN THE PROPHECIES OF JESUS SAY THAT WHATEVER HAS BEEN PROPHECISED HAS COME TO PASS THEN IF YOU ARE ONE OF THEM TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROPHECIES OF MUHAMMED (SAW) AND YOU WILL KNOW THAT WHATEVER WAS REVEALED TO HIM HAS BEEN FULFILLED AND EVENTS WILL UNFOLD AS HE SAID THEY WOULD.GET OVER THE HATERED THAT POISIONS YOUR HEART.ISLAM WILL PREVAIL AND THAT IS THE TRUTH.YOU CAN BE A BELIEVER,BE PART OF THAT TRUTH AND TAKE YOUR REWARD FROM ALLAH OR BE A NON BELIEVER IN THE TRUTH AFTER IT HAS BEEN REVEALED TO YOU AND LIE TO YOUR SELF AND BE THROWN IN THE PITS OF HELL FOR ETERNITY.THINK ,THINK DEEP.SUBMIT TO THE LAW OF ALLAH AND MOHAMMED (SAW) BE A MUSLIM.
No Thanks
No thanks, Al.
Jesus is Lord. 2.2 Billion Christians Celebrated the resurrection
of our Lord and Savior this week.
This week in the Muslim world there are wars between Sunnis and Shiites
in Iraq and Syria. Wars between tribes in Libya. No body even knows how many
were killed. It has nothing to do with Judaism or Christianity either. It will stop only when the King of Kings returns.
Muslims were driven out of Spain and Portugal by European Christian armies. Maybe you saw the movie El Cid. He was a Christian warrior named Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar who commanded Muslim armies loyal to him and gave him the title El Cid which comes from the Arabic term El sayyid The master. He used Muslim his army to defeat other Muslim armies and thus succeeded in driving all Muslims out of Spain. The Reconquista of Al-Andalus is a historical fact.
All Arab Muslims trace their lineage back to Ishmael and his father Abraham. Ishmael was born to an Egyptian woman who was a slave of Abraham. The Angel of God spoke to her and said : “..Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him.…Genesis 16:11-12
The city of Vienna is known today for its coffee houses. Excellent coffee was left behind by the armies of the Ottoman Empire who fled from the Christian knights of Europe who came to help their brothers from the battle of Vienna
in 1683, which marked the start of the Great Turkish War by European powers to remove the Ottoman presence which they did.
Christian Russians defeated the Muslim Tatars and became free from the Mongol yoke. Russia is still free of the Muslim Yoke today. Chechnya has been pacified and soon Inigushetia will be peaceful too. The Russians will defeat the Jihadis. Putin has just been re-electd and the Russian people are behind him. He was elected the first time because of his crackdown on the Chechen Muslims. They are scattered and defeated.
As we chat Al, President Sarkozy is cracking down on the Muslim extremists in France. He will be reelected and finish the job. The European Union will follow his example.
Hi Haim.
Firstly I would say you appear to be a well informed person but please read about things instead of watcing a movie.When a person reads his mind evaluates and differentiates and forms an opinion.The truth which you talk about is only one side of a coin.
El Cid actually played a small role in the “Reconquista” he was happy when he reached Valencia to have his own kingdom.The fall of Al-Andalous was a result of many things among them was disunity of the muslim rulers as is the case the present times.The Ottoman empire was a unified muslim state under a Muslim king,until its fall its inhabitants were safe from any kind of percecution.You have indeed quoted a historical fact but did you ever think why there was a need for the “Reconquista”?Christians were not being persecuted in Andalous infact it was the Christians themselves that called upon the Muslims to rid themselves of the atrocities of the Visigoths.Kindly go through this essay http://islamqa.com/en/ref/100521/spain.The reason for conquest was to destroy the Islamic state in the name of GOD and helping the Christian brethen who were thought to be suffering but the fact was they had adopted a new faith which they never wanted to leave.Did you even read how they were tortured and persecuted to give up their faith?It would make you sick if you go through the events at that time.Why the persecution?for adopting a different faith?Historical facts state that Christians have muudered and killed more people around the world in the name of god,liberty,democracy ,WMD and “supposed threat”.Google the facts,during the Inquisition 55 million Christians were killed by Christians themselves.This act was sanctioned by the church to purify Christianity.A million Jews were killed by the Christians when they drove the Muslims out of Spain in the 15th century.The Mexican revoloution,the Belgium-Congo wars,WWI,WWII,Chinese purges,Soviet communist purges,the second Atom bomb dropped even after the Japenese had surrended causing a casualty of 250,000 and not to mention the effects of radiation.The USA a majority Christian nation has been killing a million people every 10 years in Korea,Vietnam,Iraq,Afganistan.Don’t overlook the Imperialist rule of the British and the act of the American settlers which resulted in the death of the native Indian pupolation. How the Italians drove out the Libyans from their homes into the desert. The killing of Muslims and Christians alike in the first Crusades,”The first Crusade” by Thomas Albright 2004,men raping and killing innocent children,were these the soilders of God?Is this the way to treat the people of your own kind who you think you liberated from the rule of the barbaric muslims.The Crusades were a response by the Church to the spread of Islam which feared that its authority would be lost if people were to question it.That is how the seed of hatered was planted in the hearts of people.Don’t you read of the persecutions of the scientist and thinkers of that age,why the illuminati was formed ,why the state was seperated from the clergy in the post renaissance period.There was deep hatered towards the Church by the very Christians who followed it for the way it dealt with things and with it treated its own people.The same reason led to a break up of Ottman empire,it was not the threat of the empire but of its followers of Islam.If Isalm was so against the Jews and Christians they would have been killed like rodents under the muslim rule which lasted until 1920(1300years). One should learn to see both sides of the coin or both side of the picture.
I wonder what the Bosnian muslims did to the Croats that they slaughtered them mercilessly.The Bosninan were just as the Christians were of the country,they dated and married Christians,drank alcoholol and were no different from the Christians ,they were fully integrated into society so to say.Then why did the rulers decide to kill and maim these people like they were enemies?
The Chechen muslim from a major population of Chechenya and not all are extremist.It is not a clear issue where judgement can be passed blaming one group or the other ,it has its own complexities.The Russians killed many Muslims and had a sorta of mini Inquisition during the days of USSR that could have been a reason for Chechnya to ask for independence and don’t forget Chechna is an oil hub contributing significantly to the Russian state.Could it have been the reason for the unwillingness of the govt.to grant independence to the state.It could also have been that the rulers who demanded independence from Russia were greedy themselves for the oil riches as was evident by the large scale of corruption during the reconstruction of the country.As I said,the issue is multifaceted. May I ask why only Muslims are targeted and when they rise against the oppression they are branded as killers/terrorist.
If I think by your standards then Christians are the biggest killers the world has ever known,they kill their own people and also followers of other religions but I will abstain from making such a statement,although its true but it doesn’t apply to everyone and doesn’t even refelect the “right” teachings of Isa bin Mariam(Jesus).USA a major Christian nation supported thier governments action in Vietnam they were indifferent to the killing and raping of innocents(Christians) and ditto in Iraq and Afganistan.Does anyone ask now about the WMD which were all lies http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/15/defector-admits-wmd-lies-iraq-war.I don’t see any action or any condemnation coming from anywhere.Why is that?.Do you know how napam and depleted uranium kill people? http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10907.htm
http://youtu.be/MQ0x5ZLbeqQ
http://youtu.be/IN7rRnmNUok
You will see corpses that will make you sick.
Read from this site http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
More 260 Million people were killed in the Name of Allah by Muslims.
More than 270 million people have been killed by Muslims in the name of Allah
Have you even read a word of what was written above?Those are casualities at the hands of Christian oppressors.
Haim,
In the same way the wars being fought between Muslims among themselves(Libya)or between Sunni and Shaias do not reflect the teachings of Islam.Islam is all above that,its techings are pure and supereme.It is the people who do harm to other for their own selfish gains which will not serve them in the hereafter.IT is the followers who are not adherent and not Islam that is deficient.
Life is precious and killing another human is a crime.
Most of the negative imaging of Islam is done by a relatively small minority of Christians and Jews and those writers and reporters who are under their power.
“Neither the Jews nor the Christians will be pleased with you (O Muhammad) till you follow their millah(path/way). Say: “Surely, the guidance of God is the (true) guidance”. And if you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge, then you would not have any protector or helper against God”. (2:120)
The above statement bears testimony to how your leaders think and how their aim is to put down Islam.
This is the advise Allah gives to his followers:
You shall certainly be tried and tested in your possessions and persons and you shall certainly hear from the people given the book before you and those who associate partners with God much grieving talk. But if you are steadfast and disciplined, then that is of the (required) resolve in affairs. (3:186)
We are patient and we invite others with patience.
When it is said to them: “Follow what God has sent down,” they say, “Nay! We shall follow what we found our fathers following.” What! Even if their fathers did not understand (ya‘qilun) anything and they were not guided? (2:170)
And when it is said to them: “Come to what God has sent down and to the Messenger,” they say, “Enough for us is that which we found our fathers following.” What! Even if their fathers did not know anything and they were not guided? (5:104; see also 43:23-24)
The tendency to follow without thinking the ideas passed on by earlier generations is what misled many Jews and Christians, as we learn from the following verse:
Say (O Prophet): “O people of the book! Exceed not the limits in your religion ignoring the truth, and do not follow the vain desires of people who went astray before and who misled many, straying from right path. (5:77)
I HAVE ALWAYS SAID BEFORE, THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE YOU SHOULD LEARN TO LOOK AT IT WITH AN OPEN MIND.I HAD A RESPONSIBILITY TO CONVEY THE MESSAGE TO YOU WHICH I HAVE DONE TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.THE DECISION WILL ALWAYS BE YOURS.INSHALLAH YOU WILL BELEIVE WHEN JESUS RETURNS BUT NO ONE KNOWS WHEN THAT WILL HAPPEN EVEN THOUGH IT APPEARS THE TIME IS SO CLOSE.IF YOU LIVE BY THEN ITS A FAVOR UPON YOU FROM ALLAH BUT IF YOU DON’T .
It was nice having met your and discussed with you issues which are warranted for discussion.You have good upbringing and morals and your speech was free of profanity which I see people use very often in the comments section against eachother.I am leaving you (and other readers) with more to think about than what is shown to you.
May you be guided to that which is true and beneficial for you.Good bye and do seek rhe truth in all walks of life(not only religion).
Thank you Al,
For your kind words and your very detailed explanation. I leaned much from you and am now even more convinced that the solution to the problems of the world will come from Jesus. You may call Him Isa and some call him Yeshua , Eesus,or Senor. His name is above all names, he is the messiah and he is king of all kings. He will bring us together one day and we will all live in peace as the seed of Abraham and children of God. Peace to you and your family.
A lot of what Al writes is taken word for word from the work of Dr. Ahmad Shafaat
“….tendency follow without thinking ideas passed earlier generations misled many jews christians we learn following verse….” is published under his name at http://www.islamicperspectives.com/Apostasy1.htm
Is this plagerism or are you really Dr. Shafaat, Al?
heard about the doctor for the first time Rosey.Will see what he has written.Thank you for reading the post.Although it has become inappropriate my views on the reviews section.
Ah Rosey those are verses from the quran and they should be the same.
“….tendency follow without thinking ideas passed earlier generations misled many jews christians we learn following verse….”
is not from the Koran, Al. Google it and see for your self.