A hasty decision could further jeopardize the state of EU
Just a few months ago Serbia was the centerpiece of the European Union (EU) policy. Its ascension to the EU looked promising. But the euro crisis in Greece shifted the EU’s policy priority. Now, the crisis has run so deep that the EU itself is under the threat of being disbanded. It is unlikely. And it would be only a matter of time before Serbia along with other Balkan countries return to the EU policy debate. The timing, then, will be even more critical to evaluate Serbia’s ascension to the EU. The arguments for such an evaluation follow.
On May 26, 2011 the Serbian authority arrested war criminal Ratko Mladic. His arrest was a critical factor for Serbia’s coveted EU membership. The arrest brought praises from the international community. But it is far cry from bringing a closure to the relatives of 8,000 men, women, children slaughtered in Srebrenica in 1994. Nor should it satisfy the outright preconditions of the EU membership.
The larger question for EU is this: can it really afford to bear the burden of another volatile EU member in addition to Bulgaria, Romania, and Greece?
Serbia’s foreign policy and its relationship with the EU, NATO, and U.S. are critical factors in determining its legitimacy of the EU membership. Serbia has made progress in these areas but the road blocks still remain. Furthermore, Serbia’s economic and political climate and security within its border remain vulnerable more than 10 years after the Balkan War.
Foreign Policy
Serbia has shown significant improvements in strengthening its foreign policy. For example, Serbia’s current administration has worked hard to improve relationship with Russia and China to bolster its diplomatic and economic conditions. The independence of Kosovo, however, remains a thorny issue for Serbia. In 2008, the United Nations (UN) sought advice from the International Court of Justice (ICJ) regarding the “legality of independence of Kosovo.” The ICJ’s response was that “Kosovo’s declaration of independence did not contravene international law.”
According to a report by Dick Marty of Switzerland, the linkage between Kosovo’s Prime Minister Hashim Thaci and the alleged murder of the prisoners during the war between Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) and Serbia in 1990s further complicates the relationship between the two countries. The report further reveals that the organs from the murdered prisoners were extracted for sale in the black market.
Serbia’s foreign policy with Croatia and Bosnia remains contentious over the issue of genocide during the Balkan war. Croatia and Bosnia claim Serbia committed genocide during the war. Both countries filed cases against Serbia with the ICJ. Serbia also filed similar charges against Croatia in 2009. Despite the legal confrontations, in 2010 Serbia did acknowledge the massacre of Srebrenica perpetrated by the Serb forces.
European Union
From the EU’s perspective, Serbia is gaining economic, political, social momentum to join the EU club. In April 2008, the EU signed a trade agreement with Serbia called the Stabilization and Association Agreement (SAA) to facilitate Serbia’s membership prospect. The purpose of this agreement is to provide Serbia a framework for “enhanced cooperation between EU and Serbia … in harmonizing local laws with EU standards, with the perspective of EU membership.”
But the agreement and the EU’s support alone do not present a rosy prospect for Serbia’s EU membership. The Netherlands did not ratify the agreement until 2010 because it did not meet the requirements for International Criminal Tribunal (ICTY) for genocide during the Balkan war. Since the SAA agreement was made between EU and Serbia, the Serbian government had to cooperate with ICTY to meet its requirements for its conduct during the war. The handing over of indicted war criminal Radovan Karadzic on July 21, 2008 and Ratko Mladic on May 26, 2011 indicates Serbia’s willingness to cooperate with the international community to join the EU.
Yet, the prospect of Serbia’s membership to the EU remains doubtful on various factors. One is the EU’s “enlargement fatigue.” To dispel the fatigue, the EU has introduced strict membership requirements. The other is the Kosovo issue. The Serbian government has insisted that it would decline to accept an EU membership if is contingent upon “recognizing Kosovo’s independence.” Moreover, Greece, Cyprus, Slovakia, Romania, and Spain do not recognize Kosovo’s independence. These countries are Serbia’s allies and to complicate matters further, they fear that recognizing Kosovo’s independence “could set an unfortunate precedent.”
North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)
Serbia must forge a positive relationship with NATO to ensure and build regional security. NATO has the capability to provide Serbia and other Western Balkan countries with resources to promote security in this region. In 2006, Serbia undertook NATO’s Partnership for Peace Program (PFP). The program is used to “encourage multilateral military cooperation, civilian control of defense advancements, and greater sharing of information on defense budgeting and planning.” Serbia’s partnership with NATO, however, could be tricky. Despite joining the PFP program, Serbia may not want to become a member of NATO. Public sentiment in Serbia is high against a NATO membership because of “NATO’s 1999 bombing of Serbia.” NATO and Serbia are negotiating deals through several frameworks for Serbia to join NATO.
U.S. Policy
The U.S. has played a critical role in Serbia’s foreign policy since the collapse of Yugoslavia in 1991. During the 1990’s, the U.S. pressured UN to impose economic sanctions against Milosevic’s government because of its active role in the Balkan war. But the U.S. has also pressured Milosevic to end the war in Bosnia. Serbia receives a substantial amount of aid from the U.S. For example, in 2009 it received nearly $50 million aid; and in 2010 it received $51 million aid. Other additional aids also poured in to revitalize and reform Serbia’s “political and economic reform.” These aids totaled approximately $10 million. For the 2012 fiscal year, the Obama administration requested nearly $40 million in aid to Congress.
Security
Kosovo remains one of the key security concerns for Serbia. Although there is no threat from outside, unresolved issues with Kosovo could potentially trigger violence and unrest. There could even be threats from the various right-wing groups from both countries to retaliate against each other. These threats could destabilize not only Kosovo and Serbia but also the entire Western Balkan region. In order to contain any ethnic and political violence, Serbia must undertake security sector reform (SSR) to ensure long-term stability in the Western Balkan region. The EU must also need to lend financing and infrastructure-building resources multilaterally to Serbia, Kosovo, and other Western Balkan countries to ensure stability and peace.
Serbia seems to be a worthy candidate for EU membership. But in light of the current volatile economic and political conditions in Europe, the EU must examine its candidacy without hastily elevating Serbia to EU membership. To become an EU member, Serbia needs to ensure and restore a sustainable economic and political climate. A careful and objective long-term evaluation process should ensure Serbia’s berth to EU.
Mr Ahmed. Thank you for this well thought out piece. At the risk of being called a genocide denier, I would ask you as a journalist to investigate the circumstances leading up to the tragedy of Srebrenica. Read the statements of those on the ground at the time. I believe the independent reports will surprise. I also ask you to look into the runup of the Kosovo war and the actual results from numerous independent investigations. I believe the results will also surprise you. It is time to look at these issues again in a calmer environment to get to the truth.
I would suggest that the tide of change in Europe has become a flood, indeed a disastrous and unstopable flood for western Europe. As an example we now see Sarchozy who began a war of lies, murder and robbery in Libya against the wishes of Germany now telling the Germans that he wants German money to bailout the French profligate banks (or am I wrong?). I would not be surprised if the Germans soon told the rest of the EU that its interests now lie closer to Russia than the EU and the quicker the arrogant EU elite are dumped the better.
A poor article for the reasons expressed below.
Tells something about the editor(s) who selected it.
An excellent article, I would just add that Serbia must still address the issue of corruption before it can join the EU, not I know a condition enforced on other EU candidates though Croatia is doing well
Serbia does not want to join the EU…!!! Even Belgrade’s political establishment finds the pressures from the West (still seen as Serbia’s enemy!) intolerable – while mounting opposition to EU membership is increasingly visible on the streets…!
Within reason, some would say that “corruption” in Serbia can refer to the great presence of Western NGO’s with a neolib to neocon slant and how that influence finds its way in Serb media and body politic. In the disputed territory of Kosovo, organized crime is known to be considerable.
Concerning some other aspects of the above article –
The EU is faced with noticeable problems, which makes it difficult to take in new members. The two newest EU members Bulgaria and Romania don’t have the full benefits accored to others in that org. Countries like Serbia, Moldova, Ukraine and Turkey don’t have to be in the EU to further advance themselves.
The ICJ advisory opinion on Kosovo’s independence is a non-binding decision, stating that Kosovo has a right to declare independence. That opinion doesn’t say whether the independence declaration should be honored. To date, most countries don’t recognize Kosovo’s independence. Therefore, it’s IMO inaccurate to describe Kosovo as a nation. “Disputed territory” seems like a more appropriate characterization.
UNSCR 1244 recognizes Kosovo as a continued part of Serbia. This UN resolution calls for a limited return of Yugoslav military and police personnel to Kosovo. To date, there is no presence of a returned/limited Serb police and military contingent in Kosovo. Serbia is considered the legal successor state to the Yugoslav state which signed onto UNSCR 1244. In Yugoslav and pre-Yugoslav times, Kosovo was part of Serbia.
A good deal has been commented on the ICTY’s exhibited bias concerning nationalist non-Serbs with violent attributes who haven’t been pursued with the same enthusiasm as Serbs. Serbs have been indicted for “command responsibility,” while it has been acknowledged that proof of their support and/or participation in war crimes is suspect. On the other hand, Nasir Oric wasn’t found guilty because proof of his support and participation in crimes was deemed as incomplete – even though he was in a command responsibility position, relative to the forces committing the involved crimes. There’s evidence that some witnesses against Albanian nationalist terrorism have been intimidated from testifying.
From a reasoned and fact based perspective, the claim of 7,000 or more Muslim males being rounded up and summarily executed at Srebrenica remains quite questionable. During the Bosnian Civil War of the last decade, Serbs and non-Serbs died in and around the Srebrenica area as “collateral damage”, armed combatants, in addition to the war crime of summary execution – the latter which should (for accuracy and justice’s sake) be reviewed and prosecuted in as detailed an objective manner as possible. Among nationalist anti-Serbs, there have been instances of trumping up casualty figures for propaganda purposes. That propaganda tactic served to encourage foreign intervention on the side that was militarily losing.
Some recent articles regarding the EU and Serbia:
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-skeptics/eu-membership’s-fading-appeal-5976
http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/the-dangers-rejecting-balkan-partitions-5957
http://www.eurasiareview.com/29092011-russian-limits-in-supporting-serbia-and-some-peripheral-issues-analysis/
Nice article Mr. Ahmed. I would like to point out that the EU being disbanded is not unlikely at all. It is almost certain that Greece is going to default on its loans that it is impossible to pay back in the first place. Once this does indeed happen, what will stop the likes of Italy, Spain, Ireland & Portugal from doing the same. France will be vulnerable as well and a huge economic crisis in that country is likely to take place. While Germany may not be anywhere close to any kind of economic collapse will defiantly feel this as well since they are responsible for bailing out all of these countries from what is a inevitable demise. This is not in the interest of citizens, but simply to keep a failed political project alive. The German people will therefore have serious protests across the country because it is basically tax payers money down the drain.
So with all of this happening in the EU, why in God’s name would and should Serbia try to join it? And in the process give up a portion of its territory, sever ties with the Bosnian Serb Republic and allow gay parades in our country. All of this is against Serbian values and we need to take those values into account before we take any “European” values that have driven the continent towards economic collapse.
Nikola,
Actually, Serbia’s constitution and Council of Europe accession accords (of which Serbia is a signatory and a member – until the likely get suspended over it) specifies that freedom of public protest, speech, association, expression, and petition cannot be banned on the basis of sexual orientation.
Serbia is a lawless nation as it doesn’t pretend to follow its own constitution. Serbia cannot control bands of violent thugs running amok all over the streets of its own captial. Serbia is so weak of a state that it cannot protect 100 peaceful protesters walking 500 feet in a public park.
If Serbia wants to be Russia (another corrupt, violent, racist, homophobic state with no rule of law) they can do that. But as Serbia has no oil, its’ probably not going to be a very satisfying experience economically for Serbia.
Your basic argument of ‘minorities really dont have any rights in Serbia because violence and terroristic threats by Orthodox aligned skinhead groups is a cultural perspective’ will do little to bolster the credibility of the argument that Serbia is fit for integration with the civilized West or is not capable of the violations that the Western World accuses them of. Nor does it bolster the arguement that Serbia should be entrusted with authority over Kosovars.
You obviously have personal reasons to hate one of the oldest and most civilized nations in Europe.
I am very lucky that in my country, the USA,people like you are simply ignored, but somehow we always find ourselves in position to be involved in European hatred (read:wars).
Serbs are no different than Germans or any other nation which share bad and good in their history.
“one of the oldest and most civilized nations in Europe.”
This is laughable! The Croats claim the same thing. Let alone Jews, and of course, One Nation Under God. LOL
So, how old exactly are they? Given the genocide they have committed how come they so “civilized”.
If anything, some of the comments directed against Russia and Serbia appear racist.
Serbia minus Kosovo is still a noticeably multiethnic country. That aspect contrasts from the situations in Albania and Kosovo. This comparison can serve to underscore the issue of which community exhibits more in terms of multiethnic tolerance.
You don’t see non-Albanians in noticeable numbers seeking to live in the overwhelmingly ethnic Albanian Albania. In contrast, over the course of time, Albanians have left Albania in good numbers for Kosovo and other parts of the Balkans. Much of that reality has to do with primarily seeking better economic conditions. Nevertheless, if Serbia was so bad, the non-Serbs there would either be fleeing en masse and/or Serbia minus Kosovo would be ripe with ethnic violence. These circumstances don’t exist (when compared to what became evident elsewhere), in Serbia, albeit with some problems that are to be found in most, if not all countries with different ethnic groups.
On the matter of ethnic Hungarians outside Hungary, the Hungarian government has periodically been critical of Romania and Slovakia much unlike Serbia.
The situation in Serbia minus Kosovo doesn’t look worse than what has been evident in Kosovo. The latter is specifically mentioned as a main source of organized crime by outside observers with no preexisting noticeable bias towards Serbs or Albanians. What happened in Kosovo in 2004 (mass violence against Serbs) was horrid. Mind you, that mass terrorism ocurred ewith a good sized foreign miloitarypeace keeping force. The attempt to have Albanian police takeover northern Kosovo is ominous and in contradiction to UNSCR 1244.
The European Union is controlled by Nazi Germany, who can always rely on their French Puppets, who will always be the Vichy French Puppet Regimes to any German Reich.
Germany has been very subtle about this, because it needs Anglo-America, and NATO as its Army, because German Occupation of Continental Europe simply will not be permitted, and Germany knows that.
Regardless of Deceptive appearances and Smooth Lies, Germany has not as yet stopped fighting World War 2, and because Germany cannot do this with its Army, it has chosen the next best thing, and that that is the Common Euro Currency, and to some extent the European Union.
There is no doubt that Camp Bondsteel is something that Germany wanted, and Germany lured America to Illegally and Immorally attack and occupy Serbia to have America and NATO conduct its wars in the Balkans, and eventually in Eastern Europe.
The Serbian Authorities were promised that The SAA Agreement would be Fully Implemented if they managed to capture the remaining People that the ICTY, or Injustice of the Cangarro Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia had asked for.
That SAA Agreement was signed in 2008 with fraudulent intent by the Most of the European Union Countries to help the Serbian Vichy Regime steal the rigged Serbian Election in favour of the West’s Puppets.
The Collaborating Serbian Regime in the Second World War was the Cvetkovic Regime, and today there is another Prime Minister Cvetkovic who is Serbia’s Vichy Puppet Regime, and he even looks identical to the Second World War Puppet.
All of those People that the Injustice of the Cangarro Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia had asked for were sent to The Hague months ago, and yet the European Union has not kept its promises, because America told them that the Serbs are the American Indians of Europe.
The Serbian Vichy Puppet Regime is hoping to get a few balloons and streamers that is called European Union Candidate Status in order to deceive the Serbian Voters to give away Kosovo to Germany’s Nazi Allies, the Kosovo Albanians.
Turkey has had that for decades, and we know that while it is the first step to joining the European Union, we know how worthless it is, except to be the carrot that is dangled before the Donkey that never can get the carrot, and to the best of my knowledge Turkey does not even have a SAA Agreement that is Fully Implemented, which means that The European Union is sending Turkey Euros.
Germany is not only fighting the Second World War with those non-Puppet Countries and Regions of Continental Europe in World War 2, but with Anglo-America this time, and they are doing it with the Euro Currency.
Since the 1990’s Germany is continuing World War 2 in the Balkans with territories of the former Yugoslavia, and this war is continuing with Serbia.
It is only Proper and Just that the Germany, be the First Continental European Country to withdraw its support for the Illegal and Immoral Unilateral declaration of independence by the Albanians of Serbia’s Province of Kosovo.
The World should not be fooled by slight improvements in the market, because the end result Will Be a World Depression for most of Anglo-America, and even some Collaborating World War 2 Puppets of Continental Europe.
My opinion is that the Common Euro Currency should be dismantled orderly, because if it is not the World will plunge into Depression.
Obviously by letting the market correct itself, there could be a recession, but there must be economic cycles, and there are times when Governments should not interfere with that.
Just like there is a Carbon Cycle, a Nitrogen Cycle, etc, there needs to be Economic Cycles.
There will be some signs of ‘hope’, but after Greece, there will be the other Countries that will just cause a Global Depression.
Asia should have a Velcro attachment to the Economies of Non-Asian Countries, and they should look to their own region as much as possible.
The ideal order of Economic and Business Policy should be Local First, National Second, Regional Third, and International for those areas of Economics and Business that cannot be catered any other way.
It is interesting that there is no mention of the Shame Parade that is called a pride parade by some People.
What People need to understand is that if People chose a certain lifestyle, then they have to accept the consequences that will follow because of that.
Imagine if those People who have a habit of only brushing their teeth, washing themselves, and changing their underwear one a week said that they are shunned by other People, and that they want their Human Rights by having others accept their lifestyles as both desirable and normal.
Imagine if other groups like the real alcoholics, and the problem gamblers did the same thing., but each group wanted their own separate Parade to show other what they think is their Pride, but is really their Shame, except they are Too Queer to understand that.
Imagine if these wanted to stop business and traffic by marching in the streets for their supposed rights, but not for the rights of normal People.
The majority of the Community have a Legitimate Right not to have to smell these People, and that minority has a responsibility to look after themselves better, unless of course they cannot help it, because of some valid reason, or if they are persecuted and possessed by the invisible demons.
If we read 2 Chronicles Chapter 33, we will see the true story of Manasseh, who was the Ancient King of Judah who promoted pagan worship, and who committed many other evil sins.
Manasseh found himself in prison, and in a Foreign Country, but we read that he humbled himself before God, and repented, and God forgave him, and even restored him to his original kingship of Ancient Judah.
The prison guards must have heard Manasseh praying to God, but the Bible says that it was God Almighty who caused the release of Manasseh, and who place him back on his old throne.
After reading this True Account, we can see that no human being is in a position to know who God will forgive, and for this reason, the Bible tells us never to judge in these matters, because they are the exclusive decisions of our Creator.
My opinion is that Slobodan Milosevic would have received the same sentence, whether he was guilty or innocent, and regardless of his guilt or innocence, because the Western Script demanded that he be found guilty to falsely justify their War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity.
Under these circumstances, it would have been better for Slobodan Milosevic to Confess that he was a Secret Catholic who was working for Pope John Paul the Second, in order to give the Serbian People a bad name and to further the interests of Anglo-America, Germany and the Holy Roman Empire.
I am not suggesting that Slobodan Milosevic would have walked away free like Manasseh did, but he would have had a clean conscience, and the Serbian People would have been free, because the Truth Will Set You Free.
I am completely certain, as in the dictionary definition of completely certain, that if The Hague had known that Slobodan Milosevic had a written Confession to this effect, then he would never have been asked to be extradited to The Hague, and may have been President of Serbia even up till this day.
It could be that Slobodan Milosevic thought that he would be found innocent at his trial, and if he was not then he could always appeal, but that this time he would Confess to be a Secret Catholic, and after spending a few years in jail he would be freed.
The time for Slobodan Milosevic to have told The Hague his story was before he went to The Hague.
There are some People who think that Vojislav Seselj, Goran Hadzic, Ratko Mladic, and Radovan Karadzic could be Secret Catholics or Secret Muslims who worked for Foreign Interests against the Serbian People.
As we have seen with Nazi Germany’s Schemes that continued since 1945 up till this day, we now know that the Catholic Croat Tito was also decades in the planning with installing Secret Catholics and Secret Modern Day Janissary Muslims into the Serbian Leadership.
There has been speculation by some that Slobodan Milosevic was really a Secret Catholic working for Pope John Paul the Second.
If Slobodan Milosevic had been a Secret Catholic, the only advice honest People may have given him was to Confess it and make his relationship with God his first priority.
We know that many things in this world are not want they appear to be if we rely only what we see, what we read, and on what we hear.
Again, I will say, that Honesty is the Only Policy, because Lies will be discovered, even if it takes Decades, as with the case of Neo-Nazi Germany.
With regards to the Economy, my opinion is that the only Stimulus Packages that matter are those where the Government buys up houses from those who are struggling to pay them off, or to keep them, and that these People spend the Money to Restart the Economy.
The Government has bot given away Money, because it has purchased something of Value, and given the owner of the House a fair price.
I think that Every Government should have its own Bank that will Print Money, and that will only buy houses to rent them, and that will lend Money only for Houses, and Units, and blocks of land for housing, and not for farms or businesses, as the Commercial Banks should cater to these.
Every Government should do this, but for no more than 50% of the Houses, because otherwise there would be little entrepreneurship, and that is not good for any Country.
The European Union needs to have the Euro Zone Countries default on 50% of their Debt to Banks to educate the Banks that only Proper Business Practice is acceptable, and that they should not come to the Government for even one cent from now on.
The Euro Zone should then print One Trillion Euros, at zero percent interest rate and give it to those PIIGS Countries and other Euro Zone Countries by a fair and necessary percentage for them to buy houses that will give a Rental Income Source to these Governments to pay back that One Trillion Euros.
This will lower the value of the Euro by causing inflation which will make it easier to pay back the Loan, and it will make the Euro Zone countries more competitive to the rest of the European Union as regards their exports.
If this is done, then the Euro Zone Government Debts will be paid off quickly and easily, and it should create Full Employment in the Euro Zone.
The better Economic Conditions will enable those People in the Euro Zone with private debt to pay back the Money they owe to the Banks.
The end of the EU is not unlikely or even likely; it is inevitable. No union can survive when monetary and fiscal policy (European Central Banks) is separated from political and judicial authority (individual member states). Even if the Greece problem is “fixed”, another crises will come along and eventually end the EU. It is just a matter of time.
Serbia’s leaders, though most are committed neoliberals, realize the end of the EU is near and that is why Serbia has hardened its stance on Kosovo.
Why forsake 15% of Serbia’s territory to join an organization that will be around for long?
Succinctly put. A fittingly telling counter to Iqbal Ahmed’s patronizing “Serbia has shown significant improvements in strengthening its foreign policy.”
Serbia sees no need to “improve” its foreign policy on NATO terms. Quite the contrary, Belgrade is in fact engaged in radical re-evaluation and appraisal of the Kosovo question – solely in its own interests.
Like Goebbels who preached “tell a lie a hundred times and it becomes the truth,” how many years will Mr. Ahmed, cling to his lies when he wrote: …”But it is far cry from bringing a closure to the relatives of 8,000 men, women, children slaughtered in Srebrenica in 1994.
There simply is no evidence that 8,000 were killed, in fact that first article changed one week later to 7,000 victims, but apparently Mr. Amhed likes the first number better for his purposes? He, like so many corrupt people in the Balkans never look at facts, they just keep repeating the most current lie that serves their agenda.
How do you explain for instance Mr. Ahmed, that an ICRC memo the month before the fall of Srebrenica said that “appx. 4,700 Muslim troops left Srebrenica for other duty, kept secret even from their families?” You can run but you cannot hide from the fact that John Pomfrat of the Washington Post reported two weeks after the fall of Srebrenica that he “saw about 4,000 men and troops who made their way through the forest to safety in Tuzla.” You can also bury your head in the sand Mr. Ahmed and pretend that you know nothing of the fact that the Serbs captured 820 troops and sent them to Belgrade where a railway station was converted into a prison to hold them. If we total these numbers it would confirm that there were 9,500 troops in a so called “safe-haven” and if we add to this figure your alleged 8,000 victims we would have 17,500 troops in Srebrenica… that my dear Sir would mean that more than a third of the Bosnian army was in Srebrenica?
However one of the biggest media deceptions for which Amhed remains silent is the fact that dozens of Serbian villages that surrounded Srebrenica were razed and over 3,000 of its Serbian victims were brutally murdered, blown up houses, torched homes in which any victim that survived was shot trying to flee. This carnage was led by Nasir Oric a war criminal who video taped his brutality but was nevertheless released from The Hague Tribunal. Bill Schiller of the Toronto Star was forced to watch that hideous video in Oric’s living room which Schiller referred to as: “Nasir Oric’s Greatest Hits.”
Apparently Mr. Ahmed has no sympathy for those 3,000 Serbian victims nor does he seek “closure” for those families? I am appalled at the lies, distortions and manipulations and outright omission journalism coming from such ilk. For 8 years the world was told that the Serbs killed “300,000 victims in Bosnia.” Even President Clinton raised that number to “350,000” during his last inaugural address. Those lies and fabrications like chickens have come home to roost as the past 5 years of researchers in these Balkans wars had difficulty coming up with 100,000 victims on all sides. So I suggest that Mr. Ahmed do the necessary research before he writes and lectures the rest of us.
As for the prospects for Serbs in the EU, why would any Serb in his right mind want to be in an organization that helped to bomb them for 78 days, doing $60 billion in infrastructure damage to their country and putting 60% if the Serbs out of work?
With the economic problems of Greece and how the ugly German mouthpiece attacked Serbia I think the EU needs Serbia far more than the Serbs need to be in the EU.
What Serbia has to realize is that the United States is skilled at moving the goal post. They first said they would remove sanctions when the war ended, that was a lie, then the next lie was when Karadzic is captures, then maybe after Mladic is captured… Get a clue Serbia, they will never accept you into the EU or NATO until your country has been reduced to the size of Kalamegdan Park and when all Serbs are on your knees again under German and Turkins slavery…. you have been there and done that…. How did that working for you?
Not until months after the purported event did Iqbal Ahmed ever write about the “massacre in mid-July of 7-8 k Muslim men and boys by General Mladic”. IN NOVEMBER 1995 Mr Burns at a US State Department briefing said: “We don’t know what happened”. I note that the beheaded Syrian lady just appeared in public with head re-attached.
To Bill Dorich,
Please read the court ruling of ICTY vs. Radislav Krstic. It is a long legal document (unfortunately it seems that you are more interested in discussing conspiracy theories then actual facts) in which the entire legal argument for the Srebrenica Genocide is discussed at length and in detail. it will make many things clear to you. Now I would ask you to stop denying the genocide in Srebrenica and the wider 1992-1995 Bosnian Genocide in which Serb forces targeted Bosnian civilians for extermination and expulsion from their homeland.
“Denial” is a psychiatric term.Hitler accused Poland of attacking Germany in 1939. The Poles denied it. That’s not “Denial”
Now let me get this straight Mr. Ahmed.
Lie #1 “60,000 Bosnian women were raped by Serbs.”
Lie #2 “Serbs perpetrated the Markale Market massacre.”
Lie #3 “Dubrovnik was destroyed by the Serbs and rebuilt during the war.”
Lie #4 “300,000 were killed in these Civil Wars.”
Lie #5 “The Serbs destroyed the Mostar Bridge.”
Lie #5 “Serbs perpetrated the Racak massacre.”
Lie #6 “Serbs dominated other minorities in former Yugoslavia.”
You are so wrapped up in propaganda Mr. Ahmed that you can’t quite see the forest for the trees. Besides, just because there are court documents about Srebrenica does not make those documents real or accurate… Italy just released a young woman who was found guilty of a crime based on phony court documents and DNA fictition… so you suggest that I should take great stock in the documents you mention about Srebrenica when time and again this Kangaroo court proves its ineptness and where Serb defendants keep dropping dead and where prosecution witnesses testify like the Klu Klux Klan with a hood over their heads?
Let me address just these six lies since there is not enough space here to cover more than 100 of such fabrications that continue to demonize the Serbs with collective guilt…
Lie #1 We now know that UN document #S24491 was and is the only document related to rape victims in Bosnia. #S24491 are the video taped depositions of 40 Serbian women who, in spite of the media insistence claimed that women in the Balkan culture will not step forward in a rape case because of the impact it has on their families. We know now that this was a total lie as these 40 women did testify, including being video taped in which they named their perpetrators… (none of whom were ever brought to justice). Two weeks after #S24491 was submitted to the UN the story by Tom Post hit the front page of Newsweek. I called Tom and asked how he obtained the evidence for this article? He said he interviewed 20 women in Sarajevo… my immediate reaction was “how do you extrapolate 20 into 60,000?” He said the figure was provided by the Izetbegovic government… now there was a reliable source! We now also know that there was one case where a Bosnian Muslim went to Switzerland to give birth to her “Serbian rape baby,” but it turned out that she gave birth to a black child. So these rape lies have been more than exposed as fabrications.
Lie #2 We know know that the victims at Markale were killed with claymore mines planted in the food stalls, a good reason why the injuries were from the waist down on these victims. Artillery shells fired by the Serbs would not produce such injuries.
Lie #3 John Peter Maher went to Dubrovnik and debunked this hideous propaganda stunt where the Croats burned auto tires throughout the walled city and photographed it with telephoto lenses to compress the range. No, Mr. Amhed, Dubrovnik was not burning… it was only smoking. In the media the Croats also stooped to using photographs of previously destroyed Vukovar claiming these were parts of Dubrovnik.
Lie #4 We now have solid evidence that less than 100,000 were killed on all sides, aprox. 22,000 Croats, 32,000 Serbs and 42,000 Muslims. The interesting aspect of the Srebrenica lie is that alleged dead people on that list of 8,000 voted in subsequent Bosnian elections…
Lie #5 American Ambassador William Walker was the stage manager for this hideous man-made massacre. It is a known fact, even admitted as a fraud by Hashim Tachi, that these 45 Albanian victims were killed the previous day in battles with the Serbs that were video taped by several foreign correspondents. 5 foreign forensic experts have confirmed that the “bodies were moved to the near bloodless crime scene, their military uniforms were removed and replaced with street clothing and the bodies were mutilate after they were dead” to obviously achieve the greatest impact from the media. William Walker claimed “he only cried twice in his life… when my mother died and when I saw the victims of Racak.” My article that week asked the American ambassador why he did not cry when he was the ambassador to El Salvador when thousands were decapitated, their heads placed on pikes that dotted the countryside? The perpetrators of the El Salvador crimes were trained at American military bases. I answered my own question, because Walker and the CIA were squarely behind the Racak massacre in order to use it as a pretext to bomb the Serbs.
Lie #6 This has been one of the most over-used excuses by Croats and Muslims. Serbs ranked in 4th position of political positions within their own government in spite of their majority population. Most ambassadorships were dominated by Muslims and Croats, not Serbs. In fact, when the war started in Croatia the highest ranking Croat in the Yugoslav government (Markovic) ordered the Serbian army to attack Croatia then he resigned as Prime Minister and fled Serbia for Zagreb knowing full well what he had unleashed. He should be standing in the dock at The Hague.
You can run, Mr. Ahmed, but you will never be able to hide from your lies, fabrications and propaganda… the truth, like rich cream will eventually rise to the top. Someday you will regret being a tool of these foreign terrorists, goons and thugs to support your own hidden agenda.
ICTY judgments? What a laugh! How ’bout Nasir Oric “innocent”? A Green Beret colonel waltzed into the Hague “court room” and reported that Oric was a US intelligence “asset”. In secret session. The minimum MONTHLY salary of Hague “judges” is 30k Euros.
To John Peter Maher,
The fact that mass graves in which the corpses of thousands of Bosnian civilians murdered by Serb forces in and around Srebrenica were dumped by the perpetrators are still being found sixteen years after the genocide makes it clear just how great the crime that was committed was and how methodical the Serb forces committing genocide were in hiding the bodies. However enough evidence has been collected to unambiguously stated that Serb forces committed genocide in Srebrenica and more evidence proving that is discovered every year. Besides Srebrenica, Serbian forces committed genocide against Bosnian people all over Bosnia-Herzegovina with the aim of extirpating the native Bosnian population to facilitate the formation of an ethnically pure “Greater Serbian State”.
Over the course of time, some Bosnian Muslim nationalist claims have been shown to be exaggerated. Among them include Bosnian Civil War related deaths (from 200,000-350,000 to the now formally accepted 100,000 – the latter which some others besides myself believed to have been true years ago) and grossly way overblown rape figures (at one point falsely claiming as high as 80,000).
The Bosnian Civil War wasn’t the kind of conflict that some have chosen to portray. In Bosnia, a Muslim nationalist political bloc simultaneously spoke of multiethnic harmony to the West, while supporting an independent Bosnia where Muslims would be the plurality. The Serbs in Bosnia tended to prefer remaining in what was still a very multiethnic Yugoslavia. Bosnia’s Croats exhibited a preference for having some Croat populated Bosnian territory link up with Croatia. During the Bosnian Civil War, there were instances of Serbs and Croats fighting against Izetbegovic’s forces. There was also a secular Bosnian Muslim leader Fikret Abdic, whose supporters opposed Izetbegovic in a way that included some alliance with the Serbs and Croats.
Re the grammatical construction and phrase “the fact that…”., which is wihout basis in fact. Replace it it with “the allegation…”. Then give the date of the first report of the purported event. Such appears only months after July 1995. It tok time to concoct the hoax. And the hoax was a smokescreen to cover the atrocity of the US-Croatian Operation “Storm: (Oluja”. This tag imitates Nazi Germany’s gift to the world lexicon: Blizkrieg”– Lightning war.
“‘Simply Stated” should change his “handle” to “Re-runs”, of conspiracy theories, at that…
To John Peter Maher,
The fact that mass graves in which the corpses of thousands of Bosnian civilians murdered by Serb forces in and around Srebrenica were dumped by the perpetrators are still being found sixteen years after the genocide makes it clear just how great the crime that was committed was and how methodical the Serb forces committing genocide were in hiding the bodies. More evidence of the horrendous atrocities committed by the Serbs is being discovered every year.
Enough evidence has been collected by forensic and criminal experts to allow international tribunals set up by the United Nations to unanimously rule that Serb forces committed genocide in Srebrenica. Besides Srebrenica, Serbian forces committed genocide against Bosnian people all over Bosnia-Herzegovina with the aim of extirpating the native Bosnian population to facilitate the formation of an ethnically pure “Greater Serbian State”.
In more recent times, Bosnia’s Croat and Serb leaders have shown some common cause against Bosnian Muslim nationalists.
In some circles, a certain G word has been propagandistically used by some to draw attention away from key particulars that get in the way of an otherwise questionable slant.
The only “Greater __” in the fragments of the former Yugoslavia is Croatia. Today’s Serbia is the only multi-ethnic state left. Hundreds of thousands of Albanians live unmolested in Belgrade. Bosnian Croats implore the Republka Srpska to re-settle there, as they dread being dhimmis in a centralized Muslim Bosnia.
To Simply Stated,
‘The fact that mass graves in which the corpses of thousands of Bosnian civilians murdered by Serb forces in and around Srebrenica were dumped by the perpetrators are still being found sixteen years after the genocide makes it clear just how great the crime that was committed’- It is a fact that half the bodies found in these mass graves were the identities of serbian soldiers of whom the media and the dear bosniaks decided to throw in to make the ‘bosnian casualty’ sound a lot higher than it actually was. It’s funny how people are so easily manipulated by the media and do’nt realise that it is just another weapon used to undermine the enemy for its own political interests. There is cold hard facts (in the form of documents)stating that ‘in order for US intervention in Bosnia, thers must be 5000 muslim casualties’. It;s sad to know that Izgbehovic sacrificed his own soldiers all in the name of politics.
http://www.srebrenica-mappinggenocide.com/en-m/
Really, what about crimes of Serbian (sent from Belgrade) forces in cities of East Bosnia and Herzegovina: Brcko, Zvornik, Visegrad, Kozluk, and some others, lead by notorious Arkan who was officially member of Serbian’s Security Service and his paramilitary forces in April 92?
Selective usage and interpretation of the events from the Yugoslavia’s wars won’t take you anywhere. Now, if you hate Bosnians or Muslims, in general, that is different story. However, there are people who witness the events and who live there and you can’t fool them.
One-sided anti-Serb impressions of the Bosnian Civil War have ducked reality and presented faulty opinions as facts.
I remind the readers on this forum that during the height of the American Civil War in 1863, the loyal citizens of Virginia refused to secede from the Union and established the state of West Virginia.
However, the loyal citizens of Yugoslavia were denied the right to remain in their union and foreign dictators determined how Serbs would live and with whom and governed by foreign puppets. Today Serbs are being lectured about partition of Kosovo, but it was more than approved time and again that foreign powers to partition Serbia as much as it wished.
Again, the US. and NATO violated the Geneva Conventions, the Helsinki Final Act, the NATO Treaty and the UN Charter… if these morons can do this the Serbs can certainly start making their own demands about partition.
It has been clear since the dismemberment Civil Wars in former Yugoslavia that Croats do not want to live with Serbs, that Bosnian Muslims wanted to dominate and oppress the Croats and Serbs and to have their own state and that Albanians, in spite of already having their own country now want parts of Greece, Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia where there are large groups of their kin. But, you can’t simply take land from the Serbs to accomplish these wishes then deny equal rights to the Serbs, this is hypocrisy at its finest. Those who have benefited from this duplicity will surely face more war.
Aleksandra… the really sad part was that Clinton et. al. lied through their teeth claiming not to take sides in these Civil Wars as they aided and abetted both the Croats and the Muslims in this genocide of the Serbs who have suffered the most in these Civil Wars. Today there are 1.2 million Serbian refugees, that represents twice the combined number of Croat and Muslim victims, so we now know who was expert at “ethnic cleansing.”
20 retired American Generals from MPRI in Virginia went to Croatia where they trained and aided in Operation Storm… our alleged human rights concerns were a smoke screen. The U.S. even stooped to turning off the radar so that Croatia could violate the “No-Fly Zone” and they used that to bomb and strafe Serbs fleeing Croat aircraft, but no Croat has been indicted for this obvious war crime. Clinton et al had no conscience when it came to Serb victims. They still don’t today.
The partisan press has been complicit in covering up the evidence. Every body that has been found automatically was catalogued as a Muslim victim even before there was any DNA or investigation… I have several friends in the American police force who went to Bosnia and Kosovo and came back saying they were shocked at how one-sided things were and that when the facts were known that some of the bodies that were being discovered were those of Serb victims they were still recorded on documents as Muslims. Those who protested about the manipulation of these facts were sent home.
The United States has been up to its elbows with these war crimes all because of wanting a military presence in the Balkans and they now are able to defend Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo, the largest American military based in the world built since Vietnam. The American taxpayers have been hoodwinked during this entire process but someday the facts will surface and we will again look like hypocrites.
It is interesting that there is no mention of the Shame Parade that was planned in Belgrade, and that is called a pride parade by some People.
What People need to understand is that if People chose a certain lifestyle, then they have to accept the consequences that will follow because of that.
Imagine if some People wanted to marry an Animal, or even more than one Animal, because they claim to be in love.
There will be People who say that this cannot happen because it is not done with the consent of the Animal, but neither is the Animal asked if it wants to end up on the Super Market shelf.
There are Vegetarians who will say that killing animals is murder, but they are trying to refine what murder is.
They will say that other should not judge them, because it fells right for them, and as far as they are concerned, their slogan is make love, not hamburgers.
Imagine if those People wanted to march down the Street and tell the world just how proud they are of the Bestiality, and that those who even dared to disagree would be labelled Beastophobes, and Beastophobic.
What we are seeing is a play on words in an attempt to change the meaning of what they originally meant in order to establish a Dictatorship in many Countries.
This Dictatorship is a Back Door Homosexual Dictatorship, and we know that the meaning of the term back door has changed to mean the anus.
It would be interesting that to see someone change the arguments of those who want Shame Parades where the term Homosexual Partner is changed to an animal, and where the term homophobic is changed beastophobic.
The Human Race is a varied group, but I have never seen the term Heterophobe and Heterophobic, and this is because of the social engineers who like to invent something that does not exist in reality.
The term Marriage Equality is used, but because marriage is between two consenting adults of the opposite sex, it has no equal, yet the social engineers would like People to think there is such a thing.
The Law may say that there is equality under the Law, but can anyone just murder other People with impunity and get paid and respected for it like most of the Anglo-American Politicians do?
The Dictators may one day say that the word elected means elected by the Plutocrats and not the voters, because if you start changing the meaning of words, then who decides what is the Standard.
The Community needs to be on Guard Constantly against the Dictators, and it is up to the Community to define what is acceptable to them.
You really do whatever cause you are advocating harm with arguments such as yours. Unless the point of your post was to show yourself to be ignorant, bigoted, and supportive of violence against peaceful protesters.
Do you really think that people outside of skinhead/Orthodox groups think that being Gay is like having sex with an animal? Animals cannot consent. Adults can.
Seriously, violence against peaceful protesters is justified in your opinion because ‘they dared speak up for themselves’. It seems to me that you cannot win an argument on Gay rights, so you simply support those that use terroristic threats (and yes, threatening to blow up Belgrade qualifies as a terrorist threat) to prevent a legal minority, engaged in legal consensual adult behavior, to simply hold the basic human freedoms of speech, petition, protest, assembly, association, and expression.
There could be some People who might be wondering if there are any CrazyCrooks in Lazybrook.
I really think that you would be very close to the last Person who would care if People, who believe in preserving the original meaning of the word of Marriage between two consenting adults of the opposite sex would be doing harm to that cause with arguments such as mine.
I have seen your nagging comments at B92, and the point of my other comment was to help you and others like you not to be ignorant, bigoted, and supportive of slander and nagging against those with different, but correct opinions.
I made the point that animals do not consent to end up on Supermarket shelves, and so any argument against Bestiality cannot use argument that consent was not given for the Act of Bestiality.
I know that you did not like the fact that the Homosexual Shame Parade was not allowed in Belgrade, but that does not prevent you from sniffing your boyfriend’s anus, even or boyfriends’ anuses if you happen to be Homosexual.
Homosexuals say that others should not be in other People’s bedrooms, but this has nothing to do with private bedrooms, but with the Public Streets, and even with the Public Law.
The real purpose of People like you is not to seek rights for Homosexuals, but you would like to lower the rest of humanity to your degenerate existence of Homosexuals.
I never said or even hinted that violence against peaceful protesters is justified in your opinion because they dared speak up for themselves.
The Overwhelming Majority of People of Serbia fully knows what you want, and they have said that they do not want any Shame Parades where People only end up embarrassing themselves.
It seems to me that you cannot win an argument on Human Responsibilities, and so you simply support those that use terroristic threats (and yes, constant irrational unwanted nagging and ranting qualifies as a terrorist threat) to prevent the Legal Majority, engaged in legally petitioning their Parliament to simply hold the basic human freedoms of conscience, expression, opinion, and the Right to Law and Order in the Streets.
Most People are against those who would harm young children, and this includes polluting their minds with perversions, and talking away their innocence that they have a Right to.
It is true that on many occasions that the unprincipled slander others with what they themselves are.
If three men Married to each other, some Homosexuals would object, because they would say that it was Perversion, but with two men they say it is love.
Obviously, certain Homosexuals who are Heterophobic cannot call Heterosexual Heterophobic, and so they invented the Slanderous term Homophobia to divert attention away from their own Heterophobia, possibly with the view to adopt children for Paedophilia.
The Video Titled: Michael Savage on California gay marriage ban being overturned by a gay judge, can be viewed at http://www.youtube.c,om/watch?v=T2HnY-qemTs&feature=related , unless the CIA change the contents and location of that Video in an attempt to try to discredit what I wrote.
The Original meanings of Words in the American Constitution are Vital, because the American Constitution is a legally binding document for all Americans.
Are we to define every word with a hundred others to explain what some Language Pervert and Dictator might Scheme against the American People, only to discover that the explanations are no longer applicable because the meanings of the words of the explanations have been changed by the Language Perverts and Dictators.
Such actions are the actions of those who cannot be trusted under any circumstances, and it is up the American People to determine if they will live in Constant Fear and Hostility with their Government who has a Responsibility under the Constitution to Protect the American People and to Uphold the American Constitution.
We know that the words change their meaning with time because of those who which to pervert the way things are.
If someone had written three hundred years ago that it was cool in the Artic in summer, he would be referring to the climatic conditions, and not that it was exciting.
Imagine if your contracts with your Bank or neighbour could change because some America Dictator in the White House, or State Court or Supreme Court decided to Decree the meaning of words according to his or her Whim, or even worse with a Bias or Bribe.
The original meaning of the word Awful was used to describe something that was Full of Awe, just like Beautiful is used to describe something or someone who is Full of Beauty.
If someone had said three hundred years ago, that he thought the certain renowned Geographical Feature was awful, we would have to say that it inspired Awe in that Person, and we would only use the new meaning of that word if we were Language Perverts, and Historical Revisionists where such revisionism is totally unwarranted.
Years ago, a Person who was Cool was anti-social, and a Person who was Wicked was bad, but the words cool and wicked have completely changed their original meanings, because of the Activist Work of Language Perverts.
If the People of America want to Change their Constitution, then they have a Legal Method to do that.
There are Homosexual People who believe that Marriage is strictly between two consenting adults of the opposite sex, and this applies to those who are Atheist, and to those who believe in God but are Non-Religious, and to those who believe in God and are Religious.
I realized that I inadvertently inserted a common into that Video web location, and I have corrected it in the next sentence.
The Video Titled: Michael Savage on California gay marriage ban being overturned by a gay judge, can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2HnY-qemTs&feature=related , unless the CIA change the contents and location of that Video in an attempt to try to discredit what I wrote.
I realize that I should have added that certain Homosexuals use the words unconstitutional, unfair, discriminatory, and hateful for those who have a different opinion to them.
People discriminate all the time as to whether the y will obey certain rules and regulations, and to claim discrimination is a lie.
It is also a lie to claim that most People hate Homosexuals, but I am certain there are Homosexuals who hate Heterosexuals, because they are Heterophobic.
Regardless of Deceptive appearances and Smooth Lies, Nazi Germany has not as yet stopped fighting World War 2, and because Germany cannot do this with its Army, it has chosen the next best thing, and that that is the Common Euro Currency, and extent the European Union.
Germany has been very subtle about this, because it needs Anglo-America and NATO as its personal Army, because Nazi German Occupation of Continental Europe simply will not be permitted, and Germany knows that.
There is no doubt that Camp Bondsteel is something that Germany wanted, and Germany lured America to Illegally and Immorally attack and occupy Serbia to have America and NATO conduct its wars in the Balkans, and eventually in Eastern Europe.
Nazi Germany along with its Ally Al-Qaeda Turkey, want to control the Balkans, and they already have all of it except for the Serbs and the Greeks.
We all know how they are waring against the Serbian People, but we should also know the subtle, yet brutal war of Economic Genocide they are conducting against the Greek People.
Many People see the Vichy Regimes of Continental Europe, and there are Greek People who see the Greek Debt Crisis as being deliberately engineered by American tricky Accounting Methods.
They wrongly perceive that their struggle against the Austerity measures is a struggle against a Vichy Greek Government, but they are convinced of Fourth German Reich’s bad intentions against the People of Continental Europe.
That SAA Agreement was signed in 2008 with fraudulent intent by the Most of the European Union Countries to help the Serbian Vichy Regime steal the rigged Serbian Election in favour of the West’s Puppets.
The Collaborating Serbian Regime in the Second World War was the Cvetkovic Regime, and today there is another Prime Minister Cvetkovic who is Serbia’s Vichy Puppet Regime, and he even looks identical to the Second World War Puppet.
The present Cvetkovic Regime even had the old Cvetkovic Nazi Puppet rehabilitated as a Serbian Patriot, while Draza Mihailovic the true Patriot officially remains a Criminal just like Tito who murdered him wanted, and just like the successors to the Traitor Tito who happen to have stolen the Government with the help of America want.
The Serbian Vichy Puppet Regime is hoping to get a few worthless balloons and a few worthless streamers that is called European Union Candidate Status in order to deceive the Serbian Voters to give away Kosovo to Germany’s Nazi Allies, the Kosovo Albanians.
Germany is not only fighting the Second World War with those non-Puppet Countries and Regions of Continental Europe in World War 2, but with Anglo-America this time, and they are doing it with the Euro Currency.
Since the 1990’s Germany is continuing World War 2 in the Balkans with territories of the former Yugoslavia, and this war is continuing with Serbia.
I think that the Euro Zone should add up all the Debts of their countries, and print the approximately 5 Trillion Euros, and then dismantle the Euro Zone orderly.
The Euro Zone is not a Country, and it is not natural to have a Common Currency, and the other way is to become a Super State, with all the decisions made in Berlin, or the Fourth Nazi Reich.
My opinion is that the only Stimulus Packages that matter are those where the Government buys up houses from those who are struggling to pay them off, or to keep them, and that these People spend the Money to Restart the Economy.
The Government has not given away Money, because it has purchased something of Value, and given the owner of the House a fair price.
I think that Every Government should have its own National Bank that will Print Money Out Of Thin Air, and that National Bank deals only in Houses, Units, and Land Blocks, and if someone cannot pay, then that property is changed to a Government Rental Property.
The Government owned National Bank will only buy houses to rent them, and that will lend Money only for Houses, and Units, and blocks of land for housing, and not for farms or businesses, as the Commercial Banks should cater to these.
Every Government should do this, but for no more than 50% of the Houses, because otherwise there would be little entrepreneurship, and that is not good for any Country.
If this is done, then the Euro Zone Government Debts will be paid off quickly and easily, and it should create Full Employment in the Euro Zone.
The better Economic Conditions will enable those People in the Euro Zone with private debt to pay back the Money they owe to the Commercial Banks.
I realize that I wrote on a serious topic, and that because I failed to give enough background to the topic of speculation, then it could be misconstrued by some People.
I wanted to cover many areas in my comment, as I did, and as a result, I failed to do proper justice to each topic as it demands, and so now I will clarify the matter regarding Slobodan Milosevic.
We know that this World id full of conspiracies, and that Germany will always want to dominate Europe, and that the Turks have stated that they believe they should rule the Balkans just like it was during the Ottoman Empire.
We should not be ignorant of the Completive spirit in Europe or other places of the World, and this is more than adequately proven by European History.
The thing that anyone with a measure of intelligence should know, and in fact does know is that; those who love to dominate and oppress their fellow human beings are usually cunning and secretive, and the long line of English and CIA sponsored and organized coups.
While we know of modern day Empires that are crude and unimaginative, but this is never true of Anglo-America and the Modern Day Nazis of Europe.
We all know how the CIA infiltrates nearly every Country of the World; and this is certainly true of Continental Europe, with Boris Yeltsin being the one America set up in Leadership position of Russia after they implemented their long schemed break up of the Soviet Union.
We know that many things in this world are not want they appear to be if we rely only what we see, what we read, and on what we hear.
We know that the Empire Builders such as Anglo-America, Neo-Nazi Germany, France, Al-Qaeda Turkey, Al-Qaeda Albania, and the Vatican have their own methods for expanding their Empires.
We also know that these Groups are all Allies with each other, and that they work in a coordinated and cooperative manner to achieve their Evil Goals.
As we have seen with Nazi Germany’s Schemes that continued since 1945 up till this day with the planned Euro Debt Crisis, we now know that the Catholic Croat Tito was also decades in the planning with installing Secret Catholics and Secret Modern Day Janissary Muslims into the Serbian Leadership.
There has been speculation by some that Slobodan Milosevic was really a Secret Catholic working for Pope John Paul the Second, but I would not discount the possibility that he may have been a Secret Modern Day Janissary.
We know that Slobodan Milosevic was a lawyer, and as such he believed that he could be found Not Guilty, and to do this without Confessing to the Fact that he was a Secret Catholic, if in fact he was a Secret Catholic in the first place.
Slobodan Milosevic was never convicted, and the five part Video titled: Shocking Slobodan Milosevic was Innocent, proves that the Prosecution could not come up the evidence to convict because there was none, or that Slobodan Milosevic who was a Lawyer knew that he could prevent himself from being found guilty.
It could that the original deal with a possible Secret Catholic Milosevic was that Milosevic would not go to Court, but he knew that the word of his fellow Conspirators could be lies, and when he found that the Nazis had reneged on their deal for him not to go to Court, he was greatly upset and distressed, and he wanted to leave that prison.
This of course was not part of the real Script that the Treacherous Nazis had secretly planned and agreed to with Milosevic, and either a finding of Not Guilty, or a Confession by Milosevic that he was a Secret Catholic working for Anglo-America, Germany, and the Vatican is definitely unacceptable to these Conspirators against the Innocent Serbian People, and so they murdered Slobodan Milosevic.
Milosevic knew, and student of History, knows that America never kept even one agreement that was made in writing with the Indians, and that they have not changed in the slightest, and so Milosevic was in a difficult position.
These Videos shows us the true nature of the Kangaroo Courts that are set up by England and America, and that they are truly places of Show Trials and are places to further their Many Injustices, and Crimes against Humanity.
At the same time, the Illegal, Immoral, and Corrupt International Criminal Court for the Former Yugoslavia are the Nazis method to whitewash Anglo-American Land Theft, and Anglo-American War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity.
The Title of the Videos on the Internet is: SHOCKING: Slobodan Milosevic was INNOCENT, and I found a five part Documentary on the internet, Unless the CIA changes the internet location, in an attempt to make me look like a liar or a deviant, in order to try to discredit what I wrote.
SHOCKING: Slobodan Milosevic was INNOCENT Part 1/5, can be found at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FusfOqCtqc ; SHOCKING: Slobodan Milosevic was INNOCENT Part 2/5, can be found at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB1g7Uzgw-Q ; SHOCKING: Slobodan Milosevic was INNOCENT Part 3/5, can be found at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmfoNuS_3og. ; SHOCKING: Slobodan Milosevic was INNOCENT Part 4/5, can be found at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5AmumT_7Os ; SHOCKING: Slobodan Milosevic was INNOCENT Part 5/5, can be found at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHqaIDBpVZc.
I want to say that I have nothing against a person being Catholic, as long as every knows that he or she is a Catholic, and my problem is with People being Secret Catholics, especially those in positions of Power.
We should not discount the possibility that Slobodan Milosevic repented of being a Secret Catholic, and a co-conspirators with others against the Serbian People.
There will be People who will think that if this is true, then he should not have even tried to repent, but that is not the way God views it, because the Bible tells us that God’s ways are higher than man’s ways.
After reading 2 Chronicles Chapter 33, you will see the true story of Manasseh, who was the Ancient King of Judah who promoted pagan worship, and who committed many other evil sins.
Manasseh found himself in prison, and in a Foreign Country, but we read that he humbled himself before God, and repented, and God forgave him, and that God even restored him to his original kingship of Ancient Judah.
The prison guards must have heard Manasseh praying to God, but the Bible says that it was God Almighty who caused the release of Manasseh, and who place him back on his old throne.
After reading this True Account, we can see that no human being is in a position to know who God will forgive, and for this reason, the Bible tells us never to judge in these matters, because they are the exclusive decisions of our Creator.
Even if a person is no longer a Christian, then the likelihood remains that he will acknowledge that the God of the Bible is the Creator of all things in Heaven and on Earth.
It would not surprise me in the least if Milosevic’s prison cell had a listening device in it, or if his Prison Guards heard Slobodan Milosevic Confessing in earnest prayer that he was a Secret Catholic working to further the interests of Anglo-America, Germany and the Vatican.
I am not suggesting that Slobodan Milosevic would have walked away free like Manasseh did, but he would have had a clean conscience before God along with the hope of everlasting life, and the Serbian People would have been free, because the Truth Will Set You Free.
I am not able to say what the true situation was with regards to Slobodan Milosevic, but these basic things, and much more needs to be kept in mind regarding this matter.
We all know that it takes time to discover some carefully concealed Conspiracies, and this has been proven by with the planned Euro Debt Crisis, and Germany’s continuation of World War 2, where the formal surrender in 1945, was just a tactical retreat as far as Germany was and is concerned.
It is only Proper and Just that the Germany be the First Continental European Country to withdraw its support for the Illegal and Immoral Unilateral declaration of independence by the Albanians of Serbia’s Province of Kosovo.
There is one thing that Countries should know, and that is that Anglo-America mimics the tactics of certain animals that use deceptive methods.
One of those methods is that of a bird that pretends to have a broken wing, in order to lure a potential predator away from its nest, and I will give a few examples of this.
It is up to those Non-Anglo-American Countries to research the past, present, and future deceptive schemes of Anglo-America.
Even if other Countries do recognize the deceptive schemes to lure them away as a Nation to do the right thing for their Nation, the Most Important Advantage that Anglo-America has is it knows Human Nature.
Anglo-America knows that many of the Leading Politicians of Non-English European Union Countries are Self Servers, rather than Public Servants, and that they are not the Representatives of their Citizens Interests, but those of the Plutocrats.
This does not only mean that they all the Politicians of most of the Countries of the European Union are Puppets, but most of the Leaders of most of the European Union Countries certainly are.
They are given the deceptive words to speak in order to fool their voters primarily by the American and English Governments, and to a lesser degree by the French and German Governments.
The Anglo-American Politicians are all loyal to their collective ambition of remaining the World Power for as long as possible, even or especially at the expense of other Countries.
The Anglo-American Politicians care less for being re-elected, than they do for helping Anglo-America, because they know that they will receive their Money from other sources.
I will not claim to be an Expert on Anglo-American Politicians, but I will say with confidence that I am not a dunce as regards this matter.
There is a certain English Speaking Colony in the Southern Hemisphere that had a Government in the 1970’s that lasted only 3 years; however, it was able to achieve a lot of deception for the cause of the Anglo-American Empire, but especially for the English Empire.
That Government even had the deceptive appearance of being left wing, because this was during the cold war days.
That Political Party that was the Government for those 3 years found itself as the Opposition Party for another 7 years, and when they became the Government again, they were Economically and in Foreign Affairs Policy just as right wing as the other Major right wing Political Parties.
The European Union should have been founded on the Principle of simultaneous Elections for all Members, which would be held every 3 years on the same date.
That Government was the first Western Country to visit China in the secret hope of engineering China to become a western Country; it held a Referendum that it knew it wanted to lose on holding simultaneous Elections in that English Colony, and it pretended to want to Nationalize the Mining Industry.
The Referendum on holding simultaneous State and Federal Elections was held with the view that it would loose, because England wanted to discourage European Union Politicians who cared only about themselves from attempting it to benefit the European Union.
They did their ‘bungling’ in a very subtle way, and with Expert Acting, and they were the Self Manufactured Scarecrow that could be used as an example by Anglo-America to discourage other Politicians of other Countries from pursuing Wise and Patriotic Policies.
If you have not understood this, or if you cannot understand it in a few days, then perhaps I have not explained it sufficiently, or it could be that you are a slow learner, or that you are hopelessly gullible.
The Euro Debt Crisis has been going for a while now, and had all the European Union Countries all had their Elections, and had 3 years to deal with this matter, without the selfish concerns of those who will put their own re-election above the interests of their Country, then they MIGHT come up with a solution.
I used the word MIGHT, because this all supposes that the Politicians will not be Puppets of the Banks or of Anglo-America.
I would place Carbon Taxes, and the intelligent precise timing of, and the awarding of two Nobel Prizes for Economics to Anglo-American Economists as being deceptive acts, along with much of the advice from Anglo-America or other Countries, because Anglo-America and other Countries are primarily concerned with their own interests.
These Deceptive Anglo-American Professors will tell the Larger Euro Zone Countries what they want to hear, and they will try to deceive the smaller Euro Zone Countries to help Anglo-America maintain its World Hegemony.
Losing one’s Temper is in fact a time of Temporary Insanity, but because most People regret losing their temper, they have time to evaluate what they said or did.
Pride, Presumptuousness, Overconfidence, and Arrogance, are times of Insanity, and many decisions made by the insane are usually not beneficial to that person or to others.
The added self deceptiveness of Pride, Presumptuousness, Overconfidence, and Arrogance is that they are done with a calm demeanour, and it does not lend to a re-evaluation of their incorrect thinking.
These Deceptive Anglo-American Professors will try to use the Pride, the Overconfidence, and the Arrogance of those Euro Zone Countries to say that a Common Currency is good.
The fact of the matter is that a Common Currency is a Pig with Lipstick, and no matter how much lipstick you put on it; it will remain a Pig, as the PIIGS Countries can testify to that.
The Euro Zone is not like America, who are all Americans, and who consent to having a Federal Government that will collect taxes from those States that are making Money, and redistribute it to those areas where the Economy is weaker.
There should never have been a Common Currency where there is not the consent of the Countries to make the Euro Zone a Superstate, with one Budget for all the Different bickering Countries, many of whom would have Legitimate Complaints.
The Euro Zone has no Central Reserve Bank that belongs to all Countries, and that can and will Print The Money Out Of Thin Air whenever it is necessary.
I know next to nothing about Economics, Finance, and Banking; however, I know that the Euro Zone Common Currency is a Pig, and the longer a Common Currency exists, the worse the Problem will inevitably become.
The Euro Zone is said to add new Member Countries to it, and this Will Only Complete the Disaster that the Euro Zone already is.
There will be People who will say that my proposal will cause problems, but they need to realize that a problem already exists, and that problems will remain.
The European Union Politicians need to decide on a disorderly break up of the Common Currency, or an orderly break up of the Common currency while the time yet permits for an orderly break up of the Common Euro Currency.
My Proposal is for the Euro Zone to calculate all the Debt that is owed by all of its Member Countries, and then to tell the creditors to take 50% loss on their Gamble, and that the rest will be paid with Fiat Euro Money, or Printing the Trillions Out of Thin Air to make the Euro Zone Government Debt Free.
This will debase the Euro Currency, but at least every Country will look after their own affairs, and if the make it or if the blow it, they alone can deal with the consequences of their actions.
This will make every Citizen in the Euro Zone pay the same percentage for the failure of the Common Currency, and this is only fair.
It could be that the Northern Summit countries realize these things and they want to form a separate European Union to the Euro Zone European Union.
The Northern Summit Countries are Britain, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden and Baltic nations Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, were hard hit by the banking crisis and subsequent recession.
Perhaps Britain secretly wanted Iceland to Vote No to paying the Banks at their Referendum, because of making the Northern League Financially Stronger, and perhaps Estonia and Finland who are the only ones in the Northern League who use the Euro, may want to leave the Euro Currency one day.
I think that the Proper Economic Policy is that approximately 50% of the Economy is Purely Capitalistic Economic Policy, and the rest is Purely Communistic Economic Policy.
The Euro Zone is not a Country, and it is not natural to have a Common Currency, and the other way is to become a Super State, with all the decisions made in Berlin, or the Fourth Nazi Reich.
They will say Brussels and not Berlin, but Brussels starts with Band ends with S and the two letters are BS; whereas, Berlin starts with B and ends with N, and sensible People will say Big No to the Fourth Nazi Reich.
My opinion is that the only Stimulus Packages that matter are those where the Government buys up houses from those who are struggling to pay them off, or to keep them, and that these People spend the Money to Restart the Economy.
The Government has not given away Money, because it has purchased something of Value, and given the owner of the House a fair price.
I think that Every Government should have its own National Bank that will Print Money Out Of Thin Air, and that National Bank deals only in Houses, Units, and Land Blocks, and if someone cannot pay, then that property is changed to a Government Rental Property.
The Government owned National Bank will only buy houses to rent them, and that will lend Money only for Houses, and Units, and blocks of land for housing, and not for farms or businesses, as the Commercial Banks should cater to these.
Every Government should do this, but to do it gradually, and for no more than 50% of the Houses, because otherwise there would be little entrepreneurship, and that is not good for any Country.
If this is done, then the Euro Zone Government Debts will be paid off quickly and easily, and it should create Full Employment in the Euro Zone, and Anglo-America may do these things after the Euro Zone has made the wrong decisions.
The better Economic Conditions will enable those People in the Euro Zone with private debt to pay back the Money they owe to the Commercial Banks.
THE, please keep your comments brief and relevant to the point of the article.
The European Union can be a Superstate, because the English People who value their freedom will never allow it.
England’s Politicians know that Germany wants to control England by means of a European Superstate, but the English will never allow that to happen.
There could be those who think that the Euro Zone could be a Superstate, but that is not possible either even with English help.
The European Union and especially the Euro Zone comes with inbuilt obsolescence, and that is why Britain and the rest of the Northern League want a Northern League of European Countries.
The Northern Summit Countries are Britain, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden and Baltic Nations Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, were hard hit by the banking crisis and subsequent recession.
Estonia and Finland are the only Countries in the Northern League who use the Euro Currency, and this could be so that these Countries can trade with the Euro Zone, but only with the view to help the Northern League European Union, or NLEU.
Even within every Country of a Mono Ethnic Country, there is much bickering over how to distribute the yearly GDP or GNP, or whatever the proper term is of that Mono Ethnic Country.
Consider this inescapable truth and apply it to the many Different Countries with many Different Races like the Euro Zone.
We can see how the inbuilt obsolescence of the European Union and especially the Euro Zone is real.
History teaches us that where there are Different Races whose Economy is in a recession, and where there is too much unemployment, then Nationalism and Wars can easily be the result of that, and the former Yugoslavia is the conclusive proof of that.
We need to know that there is the inescapable fact that Europeans do not see themselves as Europeans, but as their own Ethnic Group and the Kosovo Albanians are most of the European Union readily acknowledge this Fact.
The European Union is only as strong as its Weakest Link, and the Albanians of Serbia’s Province of Kosovo would have to be very high in the Top Ten of Weakest Links for Continental Europe.
If the Euro Zone did ever become a Superstate with only one Central Government, then a deliberately engineered economic depression in could easily cause Nationalism to come to cause Wars and break ups of Continental European Countries.
Those who would deliberately engineer a Depression on Continental Europe are the Plutocrats of Anglo-America, with Germany doing it for Traditional reasons, but most importantly to regain stolen German Lands, even from unsuspecting France.
This is why England, America, Germany, and Turkey need the Kosovo Precedent to break up existing Continental European Countries, even though it is for different reasons.
America is Allies with Al-Qaeda, and with Al-Qaeda Turkey, and they want to give Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro, FYROM, Greece, Bulgaria and Romania to the Muslims, because England and America are their Allies.
England and America were cunning to set up the conditions for the building of Camp Bondsteel, in order to implement their Evil Conspiracy against Continental Europe.
Germany itself will be taken of by Anglo-America, because they have never liked a strong Germany, and France will be given much German Territory when the time comes for France to betray Germany.
We see that Serbia has received a recommendation to be considered for Candidate Status, but as usual, it is conditioned with further Nazi Decrees.
Belgium, Finland, France, Lithuania, Holland, and Romania are the other European Union Countries who have not as yet provided Clear Evidence that they want Genuine Reconciliation between the Serbian People and the Albanians of Serbia’s Province of Kosovo.
This is because these Countries have not as yet Fully Implemented the already signed SAA Agreement between Serbia and the European Union.
I have already mentioned by opinions on how to pay off the Euro Zone Debt, and I think that each European Union Country should have their own Currency after their Governments are free of Debt.
I think that the new Lira, the new German Mark, the new Greek Drachma, and the others should be the equivalent Value of the Euro at its last value, and then each Currency are on their own.
There is no need to use the word new in front of the new European Currencies, because it will be known as to be that, and so these new Currencies need only be called, the Italian Lira, German Mark, the Greek Drachma, and the same could apply to the other new European Currencies.
Many Europeans do not want too much Common Policy that only increases Taxes and Wastes Money; but they do want a European Free Trade Agreement, and they want their Democracy and National Sovereignty back.
Officially, the Northern League Countries are Britain, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, but perhaps there are Countries that are Unofficially in this Group, either because of Secret Reasons, or because they are as yet Undecided as to whether they should join.
We need to know that their is an Anglo-French Partnership, and an Anglo-Dutch Partnership, Anglo-Polish Partnership, and perhaps France, Poland, and the Netherlands will one day join the NLC, or Northern League Community.
The Architects of the NLC would probably want to add Poland, Netherlands, Belgium, France, Luxemburg, Northern Italy, Greater Albania, Turkey, and possibly Libya to the Group, with Switzerland remaining Militarily Neutral, but Allied to the Northern League Community in other Secret Ways, but only because of the Changed Realities.
Perhaps former English Prime Minister, Tony Blair, analysed that Libya ruled by Muammar Gaddafi would not join the Northern League Community, and France and Northern Italy said that Libya had be a Member of the Northern League Community.
There is a Mountain of Evidence to Conclusively Prove that NATO long ceased to be a Common Defence Alliance, and that NATO is now an Anti-Southern European Aggression Pact bent on Building the Anglo-French Empires.
A European and Russian Mutual Defence and Stability Treaty would not be an Empire Building Axis of Evil that consumes vast amounts of scarce Resources, but it would enable these Member Countries to spend more of their Money on Civilian Projects to Benefit their Citizens.
The reality is that Serbia should have had its accession treaty at least two years ago. The hunt for war criminals was something that the pro-EU government was already busy doing, so the arrest of ALL of them should not have been a real issue.
Second, the EU made a promise to Serbia that the status of Kosovo would not be an issue in relation to membership. The EU must keep that promise and Kosovo must be kept out of EU membership for Serbia. To force Serbia to accept “Kosovo independence,” (besides breaking a promise), would cause a resurgence of nationalists and a loss of ground for the pro-Europe side. ***Under no conditions should Serbia be forced to accept “Kosovo independence” as a condition for an accession treaty. ***
When “Kosovo independence” happened in early 2008 (pushed by the US), we almost lost Serbia altogether. “Kosovo independence” was a really, really bad idea, and still is a really, really bad idea!
Also – a Dutch court place part of the blame for the Srebrenica massacres on the Netherlands – and the Dutch have no business keeping Serbia from becoming an EU member state – something that Serbia earned at least two years ago.
http://www.budapesttimes.hu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=20744&Itemid=26
This is an article about serbia’s EU accession with regards to Serbia’s new restitution law. Since the article the law has been somewhat modified if I am correct, but this also shows that many more issues arise with Serbia.