47 Responses to Cold Fusion and the Energy Crisis: to be or not to be?

1. 

   Jordi Heguilor

   December 1, 2012 at 12:54 am

   There has been no third party validation of the E-cat. Its demonstrations have been staged.
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     gaby de wilde

     December 1, 2012 at 2:18 am

     Jordi Heguilor accuses people of fraud on the internets without providing sufficient evidence.

     A false accusation of fraud is an act of fraud.

     He seems to be doing this in an effort to obtain intellectual property not legally owed to him.

     We should consider adding extortion, libel and defamation to his list of crimes.

     If Jordi claims to be the victim of a crime he should report it to the proper authorities before announcing it as fact publicly.

     For 23 years we had to listen to nonsense like this. BLA BLA BLA BLA

     Sure you can have an opinion about things but when electrochemistry becomes irrelevant to electrochemistry everything you say can and will be laughed at in the internets court room.

     case dismissed
     • 

       maryyugo

       December 1, 2012 at 3:30 am

       Gaby, aren’t you the same person who used to write in favor of Steorn? How is their magnetic motor that was supposed to change the world doing these days? It’s only been SIX YEARS since it was announced and only three years since their own jury said it doesn’t work! Still believe them?

       Andrea Rossi is an obvious, prolific, and consistent liar. His claims are atrociously ridiculous.

       Defkalion has lied as much as Rossi. Their absurd claims have been reviewed elsewhere. They said they had multi-kilowatt desktop reactors under test years ago. Where are those now?

       Brillouin can’t even spell “hydorgen” in their charts. They have shown nothing. They are not credible.

       Celani seems honest but mistaken. He doesn’t use appropriate calorimetry.

       So far, the evidence that cold fusion / LENR is even possible or has ever been done is weak to vanishing under close examination, something you, obviously are unable to do.
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         Matt

         December 1, 2012 at 11:04 pm

         Are you the same Mary who clearly has some sort of agenda here? Are you the one who has posted the same old, same old crap on every single outlet that has dared to even write about CF/LENR for over the past year now. Umm? I wonder?
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           maryyugo

           December 2, 2012 at 3:59 am

           Of course I have an agenda. I hate frauds and I want to see them exposed. Anything wrong with that?
   • 

     Roger Bird

     December 2, 2012 at 11:09 am

     Jordi, I am very frustrated with Rossi, but the jump from “There has been no third party validation of the E-cat.” to “Its demonstrations have been staged.” is unproven and childishly provocative. You have no basis other than your frustration and impatience to say that.
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       maryyugo

       December 3, 2012 at 6:47 am

       Actually, Roger, if you just scroll down to Steven Krivit’s responses below and follow his link, you will find dozens of reasons to believe that Rossi’s demonstrations have been nothing but sleight of hand acts and staging.
2. 

   Becktemba

   December 1, 2012 at 2:31 am

   The writing is on the wall. LENR is coming. It has become frustrating to see Scientist who are more interested in grants than in discovery. But sadly, this seems to have always been the case. Until some unconventional “Fool” like Rossi comes along and upsets the apple cart. You gotta love him for it.
3. 

   G Zingh

   December 1, 2012 at 2:46 am

   There has been no third party validation in the sense that third parties have not been allowed to setup their own experiments, but staged is too strong a word.

   Instead what has been allowed is more in the nature of several demonstrations where scientists and engineers have been allowed to bring in their own instruments and make their own measurements.

   Rossi has stated that only a working unit in a commercial setting will satisfy most skeptics and it seems we are still at least 6 months away from that happening.
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     lenr

     December 2, 2012 at 7:22 am

     The e-cat will always be 6 months away
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       Roger Bird

       December 2, 2012 at 11:11 am

       Seems like. Or, an every better one is in development and we are waiting for it to start to be produced. Or something like that.
4. 

   dragonX

   December 1, 2012 at 2:54 am

   The World is moved only by facts.
   Fact: Rossi is not selling publicly any ECAT plants or generators right now. He is imposing a TOTAL blackout on any information taht might be constructed as evidence ECAT exist and works as stated by him. So right now ECAT it is only a myth.

   The World will notice it once ECAT is “out in the open” to be looked at and tested by various 3rd parties from scientific, media and business community.

   If anybody wants more coverage of ECAT until then, please make Rossi show it to the world in a satisfying manner.
5. 

   Becktemba

   December 1, 2012 at 3:23 am

   Using words like “myth” is just asinine. Rossi has an apparatus that says works, we’ve seen it. But, no one has yet publicly and independently verified it. However, he does seem to have a variety of people around him that vouch for it, so we have some circumstantial evidence.. thus we have to wait until that time when we do. Meanwhile, there are other players like Brillouin Energy, Defkalion and Prof. Celani that say the method works. So to go around saying that LENR is a myth or is a scam, words like that are just out of place at this point.
   You could use words like “maybe overly optimistic” or “may still need development” are more in line with a current truthful sentiment.
6. 

   maryyugo

   December 1, 2012 at 3:45 am

   Rossi has never allowed a single independent test of his claimed technology. Both Defkalion and Rossi claim kilowatt levels of power sustained for months without fresh fuel. That is a ridiculously easy claim to test properly without any risk to intellectual property yet such tests have never been done.

   Both Defkalion and Rossi change their stories– Rossi almost daily. Both have made promises of independent testing and publication and over several years, not a SINGLE such test or publication has seen the light of day.

   Wright and Krivit have independently documented dozens (Krivit) and HUNDREDS (Wright) of lies and inconsistencies on the part of Rossi’s unending stream of posts on his blog and in interviews.

   Yet somehow, you still believe that Rossi has something. Well he probably does. What he probably has (and this applies also to Defkalion) is an investor and distributor scam. There is no evidence for anything else.

   It’s helpful to do your homework. Evidence you did not is your link to what should be the official ecat web site. Instead, it’s a “fan site” by Sterling Allen and has been repudiated specifically as inaccurate by Rossi himself. So much for this article! Absolute nonsense.
   • 

     Greg Goble

     December 2, 2012 at 9:46 am

     Besides all that, there is this…
     maryyugo you may enjoy the irony of this…

     Search LENR at the U.S. Feds site science.gov (hundreds pop up)… choose year 2012 and you get these, hmmm… http://www.science.gov/scigov/result-list/fullRecord:lenr/#ResultList=0%7C0%7C_%7CRANK%7C3%2C0

     There you will find this negating cold fusion:

     “A Realistic Examination of Cold Fusion Claims 24 Years Later A whitepaper on conventional explanations for ‘cold fusion’”
     Kirk L. Shanahan
     Oct. 22, 2012

     Yet the government disclaims his negation.

     Contract No:
     This document was prepared in conjunction with work accomplished under Contract No. DE-AC09-08SR22470 with the U.S. Department of Energy.

     Disclaimer:
     This work was prepared under an agreement with and funded by the U.S. Government. Neither the U. S. Government or its employees, nor any of its contractors, subcontractors or their employees, makes any express or implied:
     1. warranty or assumes any legal liability for the accuracy, completeness, or for
     the use or results of such use of any information, product, or process disclosed;
     or
     2. representation that such use or results of such use would not infringe privately owned rights; or 3. endorsement or recommendation of any specifically identified commercial product, process, or service. Any views and opinions of
     authors expressed in this work do not necessarily state or reflect those of the United States Government, or its contractors, or subcontractors.
7. 

   Frank Znidarsic

   December 1, 2012 at 4:46 am

   I write books on cold fusion. The latest “Energy, Cold Fusion”, and Antigravity is at Amazon in Kindle and paper back.
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     maryyugo

     December 4, 2012 at 8:02 am

     Fiction or non-fiction?
8. 

   Becktemba

   December 1, 2012 at 6:27 am

   Maryyugo the Dark Troll Lord of Andrea Rossi and the E-cat.

   Her or his comments go well beyond skepticism.

   1. If anyone has been “scammed” I’m sure they would let us all know.

   2. Who in their right mind, with the kind of money needed for this type of investment, would invest in an invention like this unless they verified and had proof that it worked?

   3. If Rossi has what he say he has all of the speculation ans parsing of his words is moot.

   4. Regardless if Rossi has what he says he has LENR should be researched further.
9. 

   karl22

   December 1, 2012 at 7:14 am

   @Maryyugo:

   Many scientists and engineers are putting their lives to try to produce something wonderful. They all deserve enormous respect, even if they make mistakes.

   On the other hand, you and a few other guys are doing everything possible to unfairly destroy their credibility with an eagerness reminiscent of hyenas when they stalk their prey.

   Evidently, you should be veeeeery well paid for being doing what you are doing. It is that or else you have a true psychotic mind.

   Apparently, your unique occupation is ‘Trollear’ against the LENR community as if your life depended on it.

   Pease, Stop. Let time put everyone in their place.

   I do not know anyone who says they have been scammed by Rossi, Defkalion, etc. If you know someone let us know. If not, please shut up and stop saying stupid things.
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     maryyugo

     December 2, 2012 at 4:15 am

     OK Karl. I’m a psychotic well paid person. That makes sense. I don’t suppose you could try addressing the issues I raise rather than making personal attacks?
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     lenr

     December 2, 2012 at 7:30 am

     there are lots of documented people scammed by rossi. Google “petroldragon”. Rossi served jail time for that scam. He also had a U.S. defense contract for generating electricity from waste heat that failed to work.
10. 

    OlivierAuber

    December 1, 2012 at 7:57 am

    Dr Sarg, why don’t submit your Supergravitation Unified Theory to LENR-CAN dot ORG or iscmns dot org? (reference sites about LENR).
    Jean-Paul Bibérian told me that LENR referees are waiting for you…
    Sincerely.
    OA
    • 

      Stoyan Sarg

      December 2, 2012 at 11:02 am

      Thanks for the suggestions. Does Prof. Jean Paul Biberian is aware of your suggestion? The theory BSM-SG is from 2001 and it is quite extensive for a single article. Some selected articles are in http://vixra.org/author/stoyan_sarg
      including the article about cold fusion: http://vixra.org/abs/1112.0043
11. 

    Joe Shea

    December 1, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Mary Yugo is just as bad as the first guy. She constantly tries to keep Big Oil ahead of all the competitive technology. She is a serial innovation-killer.
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      maryyugo

      December 2, 2012 at 4:19 am

      Joe, you seem well intentioned and capable and very misguided, all at the same time. How do you explain all the lies, contradictions, missed schedules, hidden testers, secret clients, and all the ridiculous nonsense copiously spewed out by Defkalion and Rossi? Are you really following closely? Why don’t you ask Rossi to get independent testing by Jed Rothwell who is both willing and able to do it properly?

      How do you think I could stop a valid cold fusion technology as an anonymous blogger if it really existed? Isn’t that idea absurd?

      (this is my second try at replying– for some reason, the first try didn’t post)
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      Jordi Heguilor

      December 8, 2012 at 12:23 am

      I guess I’m the ‘first guy’. Well, if I were in the payroll of the big oil corporations I guess I’ll be writing this from my private jet instead of my home computer in Uruguay.

      Nope, I’m not a highly paid shill for Exxon, just someone trying to bring a little common sense to this Rossi cult.
12. 

    Bruce Fast

    December 1, 2012 at 10:47 am

    Rossi is not in a vacuum. He is one of many who are reporting LENR.

    Here (http://nickelpower.org/2011/12/30/replicators-as-if-december-30-2011/) is a partial list of those reporting the reaction using nickel. (There’s also the palladium community.)
13. 

    Keef Wivanef

    December 1, 2012 at 11:05 am

    “Frank ZnidarsicReply
    December 1, 2012 at 4:46 am
    I write books on cold fusion. The latest “Energy, Cold Fusion”, and Antigravity is at Amazon in Kindle and paper back.”

    Dozens of “authors” selling books, magazines and videos making money from the Ecat fantasy.

    Nothing will ever convince them that Saint Andrea is actually a sleazy convicted criminal con-artist, incorrigible liar, environmental vandal and all round are soul.

    Hey Rossi, take your Ecat and shove it up yer fundamental orifice!
14. 

    Owen

    December 1, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    Ignore the pathological skeptics. Obviously the oil and gas industries have the money to hire endless trolls to do their bidding. Do your own research with an open mind and learn about the thousands of replications by major universities and labs.

    http://lenr-canr.org/ (major site with thousands of reports)
    Hunt Utilities Group (Celani replication project)
    e-cat world.com
    http://nickelpower.org/2012/03/24/i-want-to-take-on-wikipedia/
15. 

    Steven B. Krivit

    December 2, 2012 at 12:51 am

    Hello Dr. Sarg,

    Thank you for writing about the progress of Low-Energy Nuclear Reaction research. I certainly share your enthusiasm and hope. Someday, I am sure we will see commercial LENR devices, but today is not the day. As I stated two weeks ago at the American Nuclear Society LENR session, Rossi’s work is neither science nor technology. This became blatantly clear to me when I visited Rossi in Italy and he inadvertently revealed to me on camera that his device was fake. We have documented and published all of this in great detail on the New Energy Times Web site. But Rossi has a remarkable talent for spin and fan-building and the facts are easily drowned out by the noise.

    My first article on our LENR session American Nuclear Society is online now.

    Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance,

    Warm regards,
    Steven B. Krivit
    Editor, New Energy Times
16. 

    Stoyan Sarg

    December 2, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Dear Steven Krivit,
    The cold fusion in Italy pioneered by Francesco Piantelli in 1989 was extended by local inter-university centers in Bologna (Focardi, Campari) and Sienna (Piantelli, Gabbani, Montalbano, Veronesi). A scientific report published by the Italian National Agency for New Technology, Energy and Environment in 2008 is on-line.
    http://old.enea.it/com/ingl/New_ingl/publications/pdf/Cold_Fusion_Italy.pdf
    This and other scientific papers by Focardi I examined carefully. Sergio Focardi, a professor emeritus at University of Bologna worked with Rossi and openly supports his claims and achievements.
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      Steven B. Krivit

      December 2, 2012 at 1:00 pm

      Hello Dr. Sarg,

      Yes, I know quite a lot about Focardi’s endorsement of Rossi. I had the privilege to meet Focardi in 2011 and I’ve had the privilege to meet and interview Piantelli several times as well.

      Focardi and Piantelli performed serious and credible scientific work. But unfortunately, when Focardi met Rossi, Focardi trusted Rossi blindly and Focardi’s ego clouded his judgment. Focardi said: “Though I should not be the one to say, this is the biggest scientific discovery in the history of mankind.”

      If you go here, http://rossiportal.com/, you’ll see that I’ve covered Rossi’s background as a convicted fraud, a toxic environmental polluter and a person who has made countless contradictory statements during the last few years about his “work” with LENRs. Of particularly note, I suggest you look at the Chronology and Dramatis Personae.
      http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/Chronology-and-Dramatis-Personae-in-Andrea-Rossis-Confidence-Game.shtml

      The Rossi spectacle is just that. Nobody has ever seen large amounts of steam from Rossi’s experiments. The Swedish scientists who went there overlooked this fact. Quite a few people who should know better fell into what is something like a mass hallucination.

      Of course, any moment now, some of Rossi’s followers will begin their personal attacks against me. They might even call me names. But this is expected. Nobody likes feeling ashamed that they were fooled.

      Warm regards,

      Steven
17. 

    Gigi

    December 2, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    Le dimostrazioni di Rossi sono avvenute a Bologna diverse volte, alla presenza di molti giornalisti.
    Erano prove private, non verificabili da parti terze, ma non è mai risultato che Rossi abbia “confessato” alcunchè.
    L’americano Steven Krivit è giornalisticamente inattendibile perchè è prevenuto, e ha come unico scopo di demolire la figura pubblica di Rossi.
    In Italia la diffamazione è un reato, anche in America?
    Gigi
    ps
    E’ lo stesso Krivit che ha scambiato il laboratorio di Rossi per un negozio di Pneumatici, vero?
18. 

    Steven B. Krivit

    December 3, 2012 at 3:36 am

    Yes Gigi, I am very familiar with Rossi’s reputation with the rest of the media in Italy.

    He’s been in the news in Italy for more than two decades. Here’s a list of only 105 news articles about him.

    http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/Rossis-Italian-Financial-and-Environmental-Criminal-History.shtml
19. 

    Gigi

    December 4, 2012 at 3:29 am

    Krivit, la “storia criminale” di Rossi si è conclusa nel 2004 con l’assoluzione per tutte le accuse più gravi: associazione a delinquere finalizzata al riciclaggio di rifiuti tossici e nocivi. E’ stato assolto dalla magistratura italiana per “insussistenza del fatto”. Rossi ha avuto sì delle condanne, ma solo per reati fiscali e legati allo stoccaggio del materiale.
    Inoltre mi dica: cosa c’entrano i processi degli anni ’90 con la recente vicenda dell’e-cat?
    ps
    Mi conferma che è lei che ha scambiato il laboratorio di Rossi a Bologna per un magazzino di pneumatici?
20. 

    Steven B. Krivit

    December 4, 2012 at 5:35 am

    Hello Gigi,

    Yes, I understand that, according to Rossi, he has been absolved of all wrongdoing. I’ll keep that in mind while I re-read his history and reconsider whether this is a man whom I would trust.

    Corriere della Sera, March 29, 1995, Pg. 11

    Il sostituto procuratore Salvatore Bellomo, con l’ aiuto della Guardia di Finanza di Milano, ha ricostruito attorno al personaggio Andrea Rossi una storia molto complicata, fatta di fatture fasulle, operazioni finanziarie inesistenti e misteriosi flussi di metalli preziosi: piu’ precisamente, vendite oltreconfine di decine di chili d’ oro, il cui passaggio pero’ non ha lasciato traccia in nessuna frontiera italiana.

    The deputy prosecutor Salvatore Bellomo, with the help of the Guardia di Finanza in Milan, has reconstructed around the character Andrea Rossi a very complicated story, made of fake invoices, non existing financial transactions and mysterious flows of precious metals; more precisely,cross-border sales of tens of kilograms of gold, whose passage did not leave any trace in the Italian border.

    Per competenza territoriale, il fascicolo passa a Monza ea fine febbraio ‘ 95 il nuovo pm tira le somme: dopo aver iscritto nel registro degli indagati piu’ di venti persone, manda al gip Patrizia Gallucci la richiesta di cattura per cinque inquisiti, fra cui Andrea Rossi.

    Because of the local jurisdiction, the matter goes to Monza and at the end of February 1995, the new prosecutor sums up: After having indicted more than twenty persons, the investigating magistrate Patricia Gallucci sends the request for the arrest of five of the suspects, including Andrea Rossi.

    In carcere, assieme al “re del refluo petrolio”, finiscono tre suoi clienti, sospettati di essere stati al gioco di Rossi certificando una compravendita d’ oro per 5 6 miliardi mai avvenuta.

    In prison, together with the “King of the oil from waste,” there end up his three clients, who are suspected of having been certified the sale of ‘gold for 5-6 billion liras, which never happened.

    Il quinto uomo e’ invece Michele Pizzato, 46 anni, arcinoto negli ambienti della malavita, soprattutto nel Vicentino, in particolare per il suo passato di contrabbandiere di preziosi.

    The fifth man, instead, is Michele Pizzato, 46, very well known in the circles of the underworld, especially in Vicenza, in particular for his past as a smuggler of precious metals.

    Andrea Rossi comprava l’ oro dalla filiale monzese della Banca Nazionale del Lavoro, che evidentemente non si e’ mai curata dei suoi precedenti giudiziari, ne’ insospettita per i “passi da giganti” della St. Andre’.

    Andrea Rossi bought the gold from the Monza branch of Banca Nazionale del Lavoro, who obviously never took into account his criminal record, nor it was made to worry by the “giant steps” of St. Andre’.

    Corriere della Sera, March 28, 1996 Pg. 49
    Il petrolio “riciclato dai rifiuti” non e’ mai esistito, l’ ex raffineria “Omar” di Lacchiarella non ha mai distillato alcun prodotto commerciabile e tutti i trasferimenti di reflui dagli altri centri di stoccaggio sono avvenuti senza le obbligatorie autorizzazioni regionali: ieri e’ definitivamente naufragata, con una doppia condanna alla Pretura di Milano e alla Corte d’ appello di Torino, l’ avventura ecologico finanziaria dell’ imprenditore brianzolo Andrea Rossi, 45 anni, ex titolare della “Petrol Dragon” di Caponago e di Lacchiarella.

    The oil from “recycled waste” never existed, the ex-refinery “Omar” of Lacchiarella has never brewed any marketable product, and all transfers of waste from other storage facilities occurred without the required permits regional. Yesterday it was permanently wrecked, with a double sentence from the Court of Milan and the Appeal court of Turin, the ‘ecological and financial adventure of the financial entrepreneur from Brianza, Andrea Rossi, 45, former owner of “Petrol Dragon.”

    Due anni fa l’ ex Omar era stata chiusa su proposta del verde Carlo Monguzzi, assessore regionale all’ Ecologia, dopo un sequestro effettuato dalla polizia forestale: un’ autocisterna proveniente dai depositi della Petrol Dragon presso l’ ex Fidom di Piossasco (Torino) era stata sorpresa a scaricare alla Omar circa 10 tonnellate di solventi esausti con forti tracce di policlorobifenili.

    Two years ago the ex-Omar had been closed on the proposal of Carlo Monguzzi environment councilor, after a seizure by forestry police a tanker coming from the deposits of Petrol Dragon at the ex Fidom Piossasco (Torino) was found to be downloading to Omar about 10 tons of waste solvents with strong traces of polychlorinated biphenyls.