Skyscrapers MUST hold themselves up. They must also sway in the wind. The people who design skyscrapers MUST figure out how much steel and how much concrete they are going to put on every level before they even dig the hole for the foundation.

After EIGHT YEARS why don’t we have a table specifying the TONS of STEEL and TONS of CONCRETE that were on every level of the WTC? The NIST report does not even specify the TOTAL for the concrete. The total for the steel is in three places. So even if the planes did it that 10,000 page report is CRAP!

Conspiracies are irrelevant. The Truth Movement should be marching on all of the engineering schools in the country.

Watch that Purdue simulation. If a 150 ton airliner crashes near the top of a skyscraper at 440 mph isn’t the building going to sway? Didn’t the survivors report the building “moving like a wave”? So why do the core columns in the Purdue video remain perfectly still as the plane comes in?

That is the trouble with computer simulations. If they are good, they are very good. But if they have a defect either accidental or deliberate they can be REALLY STUPID once you figure out the flaws.

The distribution of steel and concrete is going to affect the sway of a skyscraper whether it is from the wind or an airliner.

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How much does one complete floor assembly weigh?

You know those square donut floor slabs? They were 205 ft square with a rectangular hole for the core. There was a steel rebar mesh embedded in the concrete which was poured onto corrugated steel pans which were supported by 35 and 60 foot trusses. There has been talk about those things pancaking on each other for years.

But has anyone ever said what the whole thing weighed? Why haven’t we seen that A LOT in EIGHT YEARS? The concrete alone is easy to compute, about 600 tons. But the concrete could not be separated from the entire assembly, the knuckles of the trusses were embedded in the concrete. So what did the whole thing weigh and why haven’t the EXPERTS mentioned that A LOT?

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So why hasn’t Richard Gage and his buddies produced a table with the TONS of STEEL and TONS fo CONCRETE that were on every level of the WTC? How much computing power do they have compared to the early 1960s when the buildings were designed? I asked Gage about that in May of 2008 at Chicago Circle Campus and he got a surprised look on his face and gave me this LAME excuse about the NIST not releasing accurate blueprints. Gravity hasn’t changed since the 1960s. They should be able to come up with some reasonable numbers.

psik

At least thats my understanding of his statement

IN JANUARY 2002 THEY WERE FINDING POCKETS OF MOLTEN “STEEL..”

Here are some real fires:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_fire.htm

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/madrid.windsor.fire.ap.wmv

http://english.people.com.cn/200410/18/eng20041018_160544.html

No collapses.

Let me ask TWO questions:

IF CONTROLLED DEMOLITIONISTS COULD GO UP TO THE 80TH FLOOR OF ANY GIVEN BUILDING AND BLOW OF AN EXPLOSIVE FORCE EQUAL TO THAT OF THE PLANES AND GUARANTEE TOTAL COLLAPSE AT NEAR FREEFALL SPEEDS WHY GO THROUGH ALL THE TROUBLE OF WIRING THE INFRASTRUCTURE?

SECONDLY, IF I WAS STANDING ON THE ROOF OF THE WTC AND DROPPED A BOWLING BALL INTO A VACUUM TUBE EXACTLY WHEN COLLAPSE INITIATED, HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR A .3 SECOND DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TIME MY FEET HIT THE GROUND AND THAT OF WHEN THE BOWLING BALL DID?

Nor sure if you’ll read this but will post anyway. Thank you for your reply. I happen to agree with your angle big buy vs. little guy. I don’t think it universally holds true for all of Iraq but certaintly firms like blackwater and haliburton reaped huge rewards. I have always believed one of the greatest evils and challenges of free market captialism is greed. I believe in free markets but we need to do more to protect the average person from the corporate monsters around the globe. For to long in the pursuit of the dollar the multi national corps have laid waste to entire peoples and nations in an effort to better their bottom line.

Interesting articles about Zionism and Buchanan. Some valid points and one I have to not delved into. However, half my family was put to death in Nazi death camps so I will admit I am a bit jaded. My family is Lithuanian Christians who had the misfortune of being herded into Nazi death camps largely at the hands of the Soviets. I do trully believe Stalin, Hitler, and the Third Reich were evil. It even prompted me to do a research project in college on the Christian reprucussion of the Holocaust. Today I do however believe the Holocaust has become over politicized. Regarding your references to WWII I was unable to grasp your point reading through documents referenced trying to connect “sham” with them. I will agree they were highly iregular but when millions died at the hands of the Nazi’s people were not out for mercy but blood. Didn’t make it right but just the political right thing to do at the time. So I guess that proves your point the victor is right. An interesting side note to also support this is the srebrenica massacares. The Serbs may have killed them but the evidence is starting to show these were bodies taken from multiple locations but the Serbs didn’t win did they.

Thx
Bill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNK1V6S2cbo

BILL: The neocons are nuts but were they willing to kill 3,000 of their own citizens to achiever their ends? I don’t think so.

Most of the Neocons are also zionists.
Historically an act like this has never caused them to lose any sleep. You are anthropomorphizing those that have lost their humanity. http://www.nkusa.org/Historical_Documents/tenquestions.cfm

BILL: “For gods sake if it was about middle east control or oil we would have to steel the entire GDP of Iraq and Afghanistan for ten years to pay for the projected $2 trillion cost. ”

Who is we? Who pays? Who benefits? These are not the same. There has been a great upward wealth transfer. The little guys die and they also pay. We are the animal farm.

BILL: I think some hate the US or its policies so much that they let their bias often overule simple facts

You have proved the authors point, but he has also fallen for the principle of the big lie. He accepts the dogma of the victor, that hitler or the reich was the embodiment of evil. History on WWII is being reexamined and our narrative needs updating. See the sham trials at Dachau. scrapbookpages.com (not my site) and the Morgenthau Plan, the malmedy massacre, or this: http://web.archive.org/web/20000816032732/http://www.buchanan.org/pma-99-1105-wallstjl.html

Taking this into account, the strucuture of the building, and the damage from the planes it is very plausiable the official findings for the collapse were true. The weakest point in the structure were the trusses and their connections to the walls. The floors were not load bearing but in fact in place to pull the exoskeleton of the tower together. Lets assume the planes sheared some of the trusses off then assume the fires caused some of the other tursses connections to fail and pull away. If this happens the floor collapses and the building acutually starts to pull away. This completely ruins the integrity of the entire building. The loads will be far beyond 5X due to the massive shift of weight once the building started to deform. I would also question on what circumstance the 5X load is meant to work–I would bet it was not in the event of the interior structure giving way but more centered on the outer structure. This is further supported by the fact that both buildings collapsed in the same fashion. The second Tower fell much later because the impact was much higher thus meaning much less load balance being shifted.

I mention the Barium Nitrate and Aluminium oxide because it essentially debunks the central thesis of the tower collapses that being explosives. The amount of thermite needed to bring down the towers would have left copius amounts of the aforementioned elements but no report has ever found them. I do agree with you about the debris field but you have to take into account the toxicity of the debris. It had to go and quick.

In summary the biggest contention I have with these theories is the massive scope an inside job would take. Regarless of the work it would take, you would think someone would have come forward but no one has. The neocons are nuts but were they willing to kill 3,000 of their own citizens to achiever their ends? I don’t think so. For gods sake if it was about middle east control or oil we would have to steel the entire GDP of Iraq and Afghanistan for ten years to pay for the projected $2 trillion cost. One thing we all know is the neocons are well motivated by money. I think some hate the US or its policies so much that they let their bias often overule simple facts. Often reminds of the absurd conspiracies coming out about the middle east–Israeli spy pigeons and squirrels?