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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also would like to share maps. 

Historical Maps: Abkhazia at various times in history 

http://gallery.abkhazworld.com/#4.41

The maps included here give an idea of the frontiers of Abkhazia at various times in history. The Abkhazians call their capital /Aqw&#039;a/, but it is more usually known in other languages as Sukhum (Sukhum-Kalé or Sukhum-Kaleh in the period of Turkish influence along the Black Sea&#039;s eastern coast; /soxumi/ in Georgian). The ending -i in the form /Sukhumi/ represents the Georgian Nominative case-suffix, and it became attached to /Sukhum/ from the late 1930s when (Georgian) Stalin (Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili) and his Mingrelian lieutenant in Transcaucasia, Lavrent&#039;i Beria, began to implement a series of anti-Abkhazian policies. Abkhazians today, for obvious reasons, resent the attachment of this element from the language of a people they see as oppressors.

See also: &#039;&#039;The International Legal Status of the Republic of Abkhazia In the Light of International Law. &#039;&#039; by Viacheslav Chirikba
http://www.abkhazworld.com/articles/analysis/285-int-legal-status-abkhazia-vchirikba.html

Dear Sanne, well said. Only for their self interest...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also would like to share maps. </p>
<p>Historical Maps: Abkhazia at various times in history </p>
<p><a href="http://gallery.abkhazworld.com/#4.41" rel="nofollow">http://gallery.abkhazworld.com/#4.41</a></p>
<p>The maps included here give an idea of the frontiers of Abkhazia at various times in history. The Abkhazians call their capital /Aqw&#8217;a/, but it is more usually known in other languages as Sukhum (Sukhum-Kalé or Sukhum-Kaleh in the period of Turkish influence along the Black Sea&#8217;s eastern coast; /soxumi/ in Georgian). The ending -i in the form /Sukhumi/ represents the Georgian Nominative case-suffix, and it became attached to /Sukhum/ from the late 1930s when (Georgian) Stalin (Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili) and his Mingrelian lieutenant in Transcaucasia, Lavrent&#8217;i Beria, began to implement a series of anti-Abkhazian policies. Abkhazians today, for obvious reasons, resent the attachment of this element from the language of a people they see as oppressors.</p>
<p>See also: &#8221;The International Legal Status of the Republic of Abkhazia In the Light of International Law. &#8221; by Viacheslav Chirikba<br />
<a href="http://www.abkhazworld.com/articles/analysis/285-int-legal-status-abkhazia-vchirikba.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.abkhazworld.com/articles/analysis/285-int-legal-status-abkhazia-vchirikba.html</a></p>
<p>Dear Sanne, well said. Only for their self interest&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all the author should know that Abkhazia is not historical part of Georgia. I think Dr. Spencer did not read any book or article about history of Abkhazia.

The point is: which side bears responsibility for starting the war, and that is NOT in doubt - it was Georgia, just as it was Georgian NATIONALISM that created the tensions from 1989 onwards. 

Well, in an ideal world the international community would not have recognised Georgia in the spring of 1992. It would have encouraged the (then still illegitimate) regime in Tbilisi under Shevardnadze to engage seriously in a negotiation-process, as suggested by the Abkhazians, on restructuring relations between Tbilisi and Sukhum along (con)federal lines. But, no, the opportunity to exercise an influence for the good of ALL the various ethnic groups living within Georgia&#039;s Soviet frontiers (including the Georgians themselves) was squandered, and war in Abkhazia was the result. The Abkhazians did NOT seek this war; it was imposed on them by Shevardnadze. And then, having had the audacity to defeat the rabble that called itself the Georgian National Guard, the Abkhazian victors were punished by seeing their broken land subjected to years of isolation and blockade — they were not even given any credit for responding to Yeltsin&#039;s request to let Shevardnadze escape from his Sukhum bunker with his life. 

The international community (including Russia, be it noted), thus, again chose the wrong course of action by backing all of Georgia&#039;s demands for support; a short-term boat-link between Trabzon (Turkey) and Sukhum in 1996, allowing passage in and out of Abkhazia without the need to enter Russia, was cancelled under Georgian pressure, and for years the border with Russia over the R. Psou was closed to all male Abkhazians between the ages of 15 and 55. Only under the presidency of Vladimir Putin did the situation begin to ameliorate. Since 2006 the Psou-border has been open; there is investment, and building-work has been noticeable all over the capital (especially along the Riviera-type sea-front). Given the madness of Saakashvili&#039;s actions in S. Ossetia at the start of August 2008, the Abkhazians naturally took advantage of the situation and finally liberated the one portion of their land that remained under Georgian control since the end of the war in 1993, namely the Upper Kodor Valley, into which Saakashvili had quite illegally introduced military troops (along with an alarming stockpile of offensive weaponry) in the early summer of 2006. What were the Abkhazians supposed to do? Spit in the face of the only state which has manifested a willingness to help over at least part of the 20 years of Georgian belligerence and outright aggression to which the Abkhazians have been subjected? 

The UN Security Council on the night of 7th-8th August 2008 refused (thanks to the blocking tactics of the USA and the UK) to issue even a call for a ceasefire in S. Ossetia (no doubt in the hope that Georgia would quickly achieve Saakashvili&#039;s goal of taking S. Ossetia back under Georgian control, which would have left the way open for a later assault on Abkhazia). (See: Saakashvili &quot;planned S. Ossetia invasion&quot;: ex-minister - http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSLD12378020080914?sp=true)

In the light of this, is anyone seriously suggesting that the pro-Georgian international community would have lifted the smallest of fingers to prevent a further Georgian demarche into Abkhazian territory? I think not. Twenty years ago the distinguished Abkhazian historian Stanislav Lakoba wrote an article on Abkhazia&#039;s geo-political position; he entitled it &#039;Between the Hammer and the Anvil&#039;. The West has had ample opportunity to insert a softening cushion. There is still time for it to do so, because the only obstacle standing in the way is its own series of ignorance-based short-sighted miscalculations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all the author should know that Abkhazia is not historical part of Georgia. I think Dr. Spencer did not read any book or article about history of Abkhazia.</p>
<p>The point is: which side bears responsibility for starting the war, and that is NOT in doubt &#8211; it was Georgia, just as it was Georgian NATIONALISM that created the tensions from 1989 onwards. </p>
<p>Well, in an ideal world the international community would not have recognised Georgia in the spring of 1992. It would have encouraged the (then still illegitimate) regime in Tbilisi under Shevardnadze to engage seriously in a negotiation-process, as suggested by the Abkhazians, on restructuring relations between Tbilisi and Sukhum along (con)federal lines. But, no, the opportunity to exercise an influence for the good of ALL the various ethnic groups living within Georgia&#8217;s Soviet frontiers (including the Georgians themselves) was squandered, and war in Abkhazia was the result. The Abkhazians did NOT seek this war; it was imposed on them by Shevardnadze. And then, having had the audacity to defeat the rabble that called itself the Georgian National Guard, the Abkhazian victors were punished by seeing their broken land subjected to years of isolation and blockade — they were not even given any credit for responding to Yeltsin&#8217;s request to let Shevardnadze escape from his Sukhum bunker with his life. </p>
<p>The international community (including Russia, be it noted), thus, again chose the wrong course of action by backing all of Georgia&#8217;s demands for support; a short-term boat-link between Trabzon (Turkey) and Sukhum in 1996, allowing passage in and out of Abkhazia without the need to enter Russia, was cancelled under Georgian pressure, and for years the border with Russia over the R. Psou was closed to all male Abkhazians between the ages of 15 and 55. Only under the presidency of Vladimir Putin did the situation begin to ameliorate. Since 2006 the Psou-border has been open; there is investment, and building-work has been noticeable all over the capital (especially along the Riviera-type sea-front). Given the madness of Saakashvili&#8217;s actions in S. Ossetia at the start of August 2008, the Abkhazians naturally took advantage of the situation and finally liberated the one portion of their land that remained under Georgian control since the end of the war in 1993, namely the Upper Kodor Valley, into which Saakashvili had quite illegally introduced military troops (along with an alarming stockpile of offensive weaponry) in the early summer of 2006. What were the Abkhazians supposed to do? Spit in the face of the only state which has manifested a willingness to help over at least part of the 20 years of Georgian belligerence and outright aggression to which the Abkhazians have been subjected? </p>
<p>The UN Security Council on the night of 7th-8th August 2008 refused (thanks to the blocking tactics of the USA and the UK) to issue even a call for a ceasefire in S. Ossetia (no doubt in the hope that Georgia would quickly achieve Saakashvili&#8217;s goal of taking S. Ossetia back under Georgian control, which would have left the way open for a later assault on Abkhazia). (See: Saakashvili &#8220;planned S. Ossetia invasion&#8221;: ex-minister &#8211; <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSLD12378020080914?sp=true)" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSLD12378020080914?sp=true)</a></p>
<p>In the light of this, is anyone seriously suggesting that the pro-Georgian international community would have lifted the smallest of fingers to prevent a further Georgian demarche into Abkhazian territory? I think not. Twenty years ago the distinguished Abkhazian historian Stanislav Lakoba wrote an article on Abkhazia&#8217;s geo-political position; he entitled it &#8216;Between the Hammer and the Anvil&#8217;. The West has had ample opportunity to insert a softening cushion. There is still time for it to do so, because the only obstacle standing in the way is its own series of ignorance-based short-sighted miscalculations.</p>
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		<title>By: Sanne Draijeer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sanne Draijeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems the US and EU supporting Stalin&#039;s ILLEGAL borders.

Of course only for their self interest. No more...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems the US and EU supporting Stalin&#8217;s ILLEGAL borders.</p>
<p>Of course only for their self interest. No more&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sanne Draijeer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sanne Draijeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First - Yes, it&#039;s right to call &#039;&#039;Georgian ULTRA Nationalists.&#039;&#039; The 1990s was the time when Georgian nationalism was at its peak. &quot;Georgia for Georgians&quot; was a popular slogan. All non-Georgians were announced to be &quot;hosts on Georgian land.&quot; Not many people even in the USSR knew that Abkhazians protested against being within Georgia even in the Soviet times, every decade. But in the &#039;90s these protests became known to the world. 

Second -  In 1921, Abkhazia and Georgia became Sovietized. On 31 March 1921, an independent Soviet Republic of Abkhazia was proclaimed. On 21 May 1921, the Georgian Bolshevik government officially recognized the independence of Abkhazia. But the same year, under pressure from Stalin (Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili) and other influential Georgian Bolsheviks, Abkhazia was forced to conclude a union (i.e., confederative) treaty with Georgia. Abkhazia still remained a full union republic until 1931, when its status was downgraded, under Stalin&#039;s orders, from that of Union Republic to that of an Autonomous Republic within Georgia. 

Vladislav Ardzinba, first president of Abkhazia, stated: “In 1931 Abkhazia was transformed into an autonomous republic within the Georgian SSR. Seemingly it was the only republic whose political status changed under pressure from Stalin not upwards but downwards”. 

Google: Declaration of the Revolutionary Committee of the SSR of Georgia on Independence of the SSR of Abkhazia - 21 May 1921 

Third: Abkhazia is NOT historical part of Georgia. 780 - 978: The Kingdom of Abkhazia flourished and the Abkhazia Dynasty extended its sway over much of what is now Western Georgia.  1300-1500: A portion of Abkhazia was under Mingrelian Rule. Abkhazia was part of a united Georgia only in the Middle Ages, when it united with Georgian speaking lands by right of dynastic inheritance. 

Google: Map of Europe, Southeast 800 Euratlas (Kingdom of Abkhazia)

And last one. It was Georgia STARTED the war in 1992. On 14 August 1992 when the Abkhazian Parliament was discussing a draft proposal for a Federation with Georgia, the Georgian bombs started. Georgia invaded Abkhazia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First &#8211; Yes, it&#8217;s right to call &#8221;Georgian ULTRA Nationalists.&#8221; The 1990s was the time when Georgian nationalism was at its peak. &#8220;Georgia for Georgians&#8221; was a popular slogan. All non-Georgians were announced to be &#8220;hosts on Georgian land.&#8221; Not many people even in the USSR knew that Abkhazians protested against being within Georgia even in the Soviet times, every decade. But in the &#8217;90s these protests became known to the world. </p>
<p>Second &#8211;  In 1921, Abkhazia and Georgia became Sovietized. On 31 March 1921, an independent Soviet Republic of Abkhazia was proclaimed. On 21 May 1921, the Georgian Bolshevik government officially recognized the independence of Abkhazia. But the same year, under pressure from Stalin (Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili) and other influential Georgian Bolsheviks, Abkhazia was forced to conclude a union (i.e., confederative) treaty with Georgia. Abkhazia still remained a full union republic until 1931, when its status was downgraded, under Stalin&#8217;s orders, from that of Union Republic to that of an Autonomous Republic within Georgia. </p>
<p>Vladislav Ardzinba, first president of Abkhazia, stated: “In 1931 Abkhazia was transformed into an autonomous republic within the Georgian SSR. Seemingly it was the only republic whose political status changed under pressure from Stalin not upwards but downwards”. </p>
<p>Google: Declaration of the Revolutionary Committee of the SSR of Georgia on Independence of the SSR of Abkhazia &#8211; 21 May 1921 </p>
<p>Third: Abkhazia is NOT historical part of Georgia. 780 &#8211; 978: The Kingdom of Abkhazia flourished and the Abkhazia Dynasty extended its sway over much of what is now Western Georgia.  1300-1500: A portion of Abkhazia was under Mingrelian Rule. Abkhazia was part of a united Georgia only in the Middle Ages, when it united with Georgian speaking lands by right of dynastic inheritance. </p>
<p>Google: Map of Europe, Southeast 800 Euratlas (Kingdom of Abkhazia)</p>
<p>And last one. It was Georgia STARTED the war in 1992. On 14 August 1992 when the Abkhazian Parliament was discussing a draft proposal for a Federation with Georgia, the Georgian bombs started. Georgia invaded Abkhazia.</p>
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		<title>By: "Georgian"</title>
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		<dc:creator>"Georgian"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>/reply for Jane/

you are very critical and that&#039;s ok. but...

FIRST  -----  
&quot;Georgian ultra-nationalist yoke&quot;  ?!  where have you seen it?  you&#039;ve no idea what you are talking about!
&quot;Georgia, which will not survive even a month without the western tax-payers’ aid money (a typical parasite state!)&quot;  is a marasmus!
 Thanks to The Almighty God this &quot;parasite state&quot; exists for more than 21 century and will go on.
 
  on the other hand the issue about:  where does the western taxpayers money go to? -- is very delicate! 
OF COURSE!...    
 they should know and i&#039;ll say must control that money to be spent on purpose!
on purpose to build free, liberal and transparent democratic institutions for all citizens of Georgia despite their ethnicity (Abkhazians, Georgians, Osetians, Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Jews, Greeks or even Russians)!!!   
 they should prevent that money from flowing to the pockets of corrupted authorities as well as for militarization and such nonsence.  -------  and that is the inherent term of real help and support!  

------------  &quot;......teach a man to catch the fish and you feed him for the lifetime!&quot;

SECOND  -----  speaking of Stalin you should remember that  he wasn&#039;t pro Georgian leader but pro soviet and totalitarian. otherwise he wouldn&#039;t give up quite big parts of Georgian lands to the Armenia Azerbaijan and Russia.
Determination &quot;They were put into Georgia in 1931&quot; is totally wrong! where did Stalin took them out before putting it into Georgia --- excuse me?!  Abkhazian state never ever existed before separately.  not to speak about south osetia.

AND THE THIRD at the end:  -----  &quot;As to Abkhazia being a “historical province of Georgia”, read history textbooks and you will learn that some time in the past it was Georgia that was a historical Abkhazian province&quot;  it is simply not true but I DONT CARE who whose province was. even your words prove that Abkhazians and Georgians left in ONE united kingdom!!! they fought together side by side under ONE flag and for ONE sovereign.

and may god wish it to be so in the future!!!

P.S.  once visitors from the western countries asked: 
- why it is such a bad situation in Georgia? west spends so much money on your development...  i cant even imagine how bad situation would be if we didn&#039;t support you.
- that&#039;s the deal! just giving the money doesn&#039;t mean solve the problem...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>/reply for Jane/</p>
<p>you are very critical and that&#8217;s ok. but&#8230;</p>
<p>FIRST  &#8212;&#8211;<br />
&#8220;Georgian ultra-nationalist yoke&#8221;  ?!  where have you seen it?  you&#8217;ve no idea what you are talking about!<br />
&#8220;Georgia, which will not survive even a month without the western tax-payers’ aid money (a typical parasite state!)&#8221;  is a marasmus!<br />
 Thanks to The Almighty God this &#8220;parasite state&#8221; exists for more than 21 century and will go on.</p>
<p>  on the other hand the issue about:  where does the western taxpayers money go to? &#8212; is very delicate!<br />
OF COURSE!&#8230;<br />
 they should know and i&#8217;ll say must control that money to be spent on purpose!<br />
on purpose to build free, liberal and transparent democratic institutions for all citizens of Georgia despite their ethnicity (Abkhazians, Georgians, Osetians, Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Jews, Greeks or even Russians)!!!<br />
 they should prevent that money from flowing to the pockets of corrupted authorities as well as for militarization and such nonsence.  &#8212;&#8212;-  and that is the inherent term of real help and support!  </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;  &#8220;&#8230;&#8230;teach a man to catch the fish and you feed him for the lifetime!&#8221;</p>
<p>SECOND  &#8212;&#8211;  speaking of Stalin you should remember that  he wasn&#8217;t pro Georgian leader but pro soviet and totalitarian. otherwise he wouldn&#8217;t give up quite big parts of Georgian lands to the Armenia Azerbaijan and Russia.<br />
Determination &#8220;They were put into Georgia in 1931&#8243; is totally wrong! where did Stalin took them out before putting it into Georgia &#8212; excuse me?!  Abkhazian state never ever existed before separately.  not to speak about south osetia.</p>
<p>AND THE THIRD at the end:  &#8212;&#8211;  &#8220;As to Abkhazia being a “historical province of Georgia”, read history textbooks and you will learn that some time in the past it was Georgia that was a historical Abkhazian province&#8221;  it is simply not true but I DONT CARE who whose province was. even your words prove that Abkhazians and Georgians left in ONE united kingdom!!! they fought together side by side under ONE flag and for ONE sovereign.</p>
<p>and may god wish it to be so in the future!!!</p>
<p>P.S.  once visitors from the western countries asked:<br />
- why it is such a bad situation in Georgia? west spends so much money on your development&#8230;  i cant even imagine how bad situation would be if we didn&#8217;t support you.<br />
- that&#8217;s the deal! just giving the money doesn&#8217;t mean solve the problem&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: b</title>
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		<dc:creator>b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>/quote/
Sometime between the late evening of August 7th and the early hours of the 8th Georgian troops entered the South Ossetian capital and the Russian army entered South Ossetia.[1]
/endquote/

This is a simple assertion that is not backed by any source but Saakashvili&#039;s words..

There is NO indication at all that Russian troops entered the Roki tunnel before midday of August 8 some 12-16 hours after the massive artillery attack on Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia.

The rest is a bunch of inaccurate onesided tale and wishful thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>/quote/<br />
Sometime between the late evening of August 7th and the early hours of the 8th Georgian troops entered the South Ossetian capital and the Russian army entered South Ossetia.[1]<br />
/endquote/</p>
<p>This is a simple assertion that is not backed by any source but Saakashvili&#8217;s words..</p>
<p>There is NO indication at all that Russian troops entered the Roki tunnel before midday of August 8 some 12-16 hours after the massive artillery attack on Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia.</p>
<p>The rest is a bunch of inaccurate onesided tale and wishful thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy R. Hammond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy R. Hammond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 02:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own view is that there is a wrong assumption here that self-determination for Abkhazia and South Ossetia should be rejected.</description>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An article full of inaccuracies and arrogant lecturing, so typical for a usual Neocon style.

&quot;The second condition is ... important for the resumption of Georgian sovereignty: the complete cessation of all international aid to Abkhazia and South Ossetia&quot;.

Bravo, Herr Professor!! Organize for them the bloody separatists a concentration camp. Make them die of hunger, so that Georgians could again control them and exploit their rich country&#039;s recourses, as they did during the Soviet times.

However, unlike Georgia, which will not survive even a month without the western tax-payers&#039; aid money (a typical parasite state!), Abkhazia for 16 years lives mainly on its own - on tourism and subtropical agriculture - getting only a TOKEN assistance from &quot;international community&quot; and pensions from Russia. Stop the Western &quot;help&quot; to Abkhazia - and nobody will even notice it, accept for a couple of NGOs.

Georgian independence is good. Abkhazian independence is bad. Tell me why??  The Abkhazian people whom you despisedly call &quot;separatists&quot; have the same rights to independent and free development as the Georgian people are. They were put into Georgia in 1931 by the Communist Georgian shah Stalin, who settled in Abkhazia tens of thousands of Georgians from Georgia proper and killed 90 per cent of Abkhaz intellectuals and politicians, forbidding the Abkhazians even to use their native tongue, replacing it with Georgian. And now the Abkhazians have freed themselves from from Georgian ultra-nationalist yoke. Forever.

&quot;to choose Russia OR international community&quot;... Russia IS a part of international community. Or is it not?? Or is it only we, the WEST, who are THE international community??

As to Abkhazia being a &quot;historical province of Georgia&quot;, read history textbooks and you will learn that some time in the past it was Georgia that was a historical Abkhazian province.

Disgusted!!

Jane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An article full of inaccuracies and arrogant lecturing, so typical for a usual Neocon style.</p>
<p>&#8220;The second condition is &#8230; important for the resumption of Georgian sovereignty: the complete cessation of all international aid to Abkhazia and South Ossetia&#8221;.</p>
<p>Bravo, Herr Professor!! Organize for them the bloody separatists a concentration camp. Make them die of hunger, so that Georgians could again control them and exploit their rich country&#8217;s recourses, as they did during the Soviet times.</p>
<p>However, unlike Georgia, which will not survive even a month without the western tax-payers&#8217; aid money (a typical parasite state!), Abkhazia for 16 years lives mainly on its own &#8211; on tourism and subtropical agriculture &#8211; getting only a TOKEN assistance from &#8220;international community&#8221; and pensions from Russia. Stop the Western &#8220;help&#8221; to Abkhazia &#8211; and nobody will even notice it, accept for a couple of NGOs.</p>
<p>Georgian independence is good. Abkhazian independence is bad. Tell me why??  The Abkhazian people whom you despisedly call &#8220;separatists&#8221; have the same rights to independent and free development as the Georgian people are. They were put into Georgia in 1931 by the Communist Georgian shah Stalin, who settled in Abkhazia tens of thousands of Georgians from Georgia proper and killed 90 per cent of Abkhaz intellectuals and politicians, forbidding the Abkhazians even to use their native tongue, replacing it with Georgian. And now the Abkhazians have freed themselves from from Georgian ultra-nationalist yoke. Forever.</p>
<p>&#8220;to choose Russia OR international community&#8221;&#8230; Russia IS a part of international community. Or is it not?? Or is it only we, the WEST, who are THE international community??</p>
<p>As to Abkhazia being a &#8220;historical province of Georgia&#8221;, read history textbooks and you will learn that some time in the past it was Georgia that was a historical Abkhazian province.</p>
<p>Disgusted!!</p>
<p>Jane.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2009/08/05/restoring-georgia%e2%80%99s-sovereignty-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-933</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 03:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, they  got  the pre-war history  quite accurately,  but....the  SOLUTIONS they

purpose....are.......well....NUTS ..  Good Luck getting Russia to pay  for all the 

damage.....  And watz  up with...  &quot;Forcing the Abkhaz and Ossetians to face the consequences of siding with Russia against the international community&quot;

Was the &quot; international community&quot;  on GEORGIA&#039;S  &#039;side&#039;  when  they    

&quot;Sometime between the late evening of August 7th and the early hours of the 8th Georgian troops entered the South Ossetian capital...??   Or was  it the &quot;EMPIRE&quot; Didn&#039;t  Georgia  use  &quot;battlefield  Weapons &quot; on APARTMENT  BLOCKS in South Ossetia..???and  THEN  the Russian army entered South Ossetia.[1] Both sides claim they acted in response to the other’s aggression, but President  called for a ceasefire once it became clear that the Russians had fully committed to the battle.&quot;    UUUghghgh  Well if  your  gonna FIGHT BACK,  we change OUR mind!!

Oh  Yeah..??    Maybe  &quot;Georgian President’s assertive nationalist rhetoric,&quot;  and  There  is  the  NEOCON    [Israeli&#039;s at STATE AND DEFENSE]  angle....... and the
CONNECTION  to  IRAN/ISRAEL tension......and  a  MORON  as U.S. president..

Why  DID  Georgia  send  TROOPS to Iraq...??  So  U.S. Back down Russia??

Don&#039;t  KICK a SAD BEAR.........O.K....and......less..chance  you get  MAULED!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, they  got  the pre-war history  quite accurately,  but&#8230;.the  SOLUTIONS they</p>
<p>purpose&#8230;.are&#8230;&#8230;.well&#8230;.NUTS ..  Good Luck getting Russia to pay  for all the </p>
<p>damage&#8230;..  And watz  up with&#8230;  &#8220;Forcing the Abkhaz and Ossetians to face the consequences of siding with Russia against the international community&#8221;</p>
<p>Was the &#8221; international community&#8221;  on GEORGIA&#8217;S  &#8217;side&#8217;  when  they    </p>
<p>&#8220;Sometime between the late evening of August 7th and the early hours of the 8th Georgian troops entered the South Ossetian capital&#8230;??   Or was  it the &#8220;EMPIRE&#8221; Didn&#8217;t  Georgia  use  &#8220;battlefield  Weapons &#8221; on APARTMENT  BLOCKS in South Ossetia..???and  THEN  the Russian army entered South Ossetia.[1] Both sides claim they acted in response to the other’s aggression, but President  called for a ceasefire once it became clear that the Russians had fully committed to the battle.&#8221;    UUUghghgh  Well if  your  gonna FIGHT BACK,  we change OUR mind!!</p>
<p>Oh  Yeah..??    Maybe  &#8220;Georgian President’s assertive nationalist rhetoric,&#8221;  and  There  is  the  NEOCON    [Israeli's at STATE AND DEFENSE]  angle&#8230;&#8230;. and the<br />
CONNECTION  to  IRAN/ISRAEL tension&#8230;&#8230;and  a  MORON  as U.S. president..</p>
<p>Why  DID  Georgia  send  TROOPS to Iraq&#8230;??  So  U.S. Back down Russia??</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t  KICK a SAD BEAR&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;O.K&#8230;.and&#8230;&#8230;less..chance  you get  MAULED!!!!!</p>
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